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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA

reply to insomniac84
Re: That is one hell of a downgrade

Trust me.

Set up an Xbox 360 via HDMI, and attempt to watch anything. DVD, HD-DVD, doesn't matter. The screen will stay black. Switch inputs and the picture comes in, and the flash at the bottom tells you "HDCP Secure link not found", then "HDCP secure link restored".

The devices not communicating is the root cause. The TWC box isn't doing anything wrong, it's the spec that has the issue.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
reply to MacLeech
It does if they are being forced to use these crappy boxes until cablecard is supported again.


MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
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said by insomniac84 See Profile :

Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either)
The fault can go multiple ways, box, tv, guide... including the cable in between too.

It's possible the TV has an issue with the HDMI signal the box puts out, even if the box signal correctly follows the HDCP spec. It's possible the TV is NOT communicating with the box correctly during the sync.

See the Fios TV thread regarding Samsung TVs and their boxes as an example...

or read this:
»utahtechinfo.com/video/hdmi.html

or this:
»www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/t···233.html

or this:
»www.avrant.com/?p=194

HDCP over HDMI is by no means perfect, even if everybody is following the same spec. Component connections are far more reliable...

Either way though, it has NOTHING to do with Tivo users not being able to use SDV.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

reply to ReVeLaTeD
Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either)


ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA

reply to insomniac84
If it were a TWC issue, other connection types would be similarly impacted. They're not. It's only HDMI. And as I said, other devices have similar problems with HDMI.

HDMI is the culprit. In their haste to lock down the "perfect connection", issues were created with the convenience factor. It's almost better to use Component and optical so you don't have to deal with that crap.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

reply to ReVeLaTeD
said by ReVeLaTeD See Profile :

It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue.
No, it is a TWC issue. They give people flawed hardware. Most cable boxes do not suffer from this problem. I can't wait until the day some kind of drm screws up right in the middle of the superbowl. That might actually get people to fix things.
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