Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
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Re: Nice
Like I said before previous. I like Ham I and several others participate in Ham. I also however like BPL or at least the concept.
It would appear most of the time the forums are littered with arguments of people taking offense to someone who doesn't like Ham or BPL and it turns ugly.
Why play into there line of reasoning.
Thinking it will mislead the masses? I think not.
To many Ham radio operators out there.
As far as the BPL it is off to a rough start.
Giving in to Trolls who like to bash Ham or BPL is pointless.
That was the essence of my original post, plain put I can care less what others think and would like to see less bashing and arguing about what BPL does to Hams or bashing Hams calling them useless.
It is a shame that some BBR Members feel they have to bash others to get there point across.
This is not worth starting a Flame war over.
BBR doesn't need Trolls or fan boys ripping it up in here.
And if they do the best thing I have learned is to defuse the situation. ( Walk away / Ignore ) |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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said by Surfinusa  :said by rf_engineer :said by Surfinusa :Your right take it with a grain of salt. Personally I can care less what Hams want or BPL users want. Trust me I can are less. Then why are you here and why should anyone care about your worthless opinions? Not sure what your aim or trying to accomplish other than Trolling, stirring up trouble. I'll admit my post was badly worded and uncharacteristically troll-like. My apologies. My intent was that you don't seem to care about BPL, amateur radio, the interference issue or communications in general, so it's a bit pointless to post indifferent opinions, hence not much value to them. It's sort of like me posting in the gamer forums when I have no interest in that realm. When you characterize the debate as crying over spilled milk, it's apparent that you don't have an interest in the issues at hand.
Many of us have been following the BPL interference issue since 2003. Several of the problems have been resolved and in the remaining deployments, amateur radio and BPL have coexisted. The jury was still out on whether they could coexist in the mass geographical and high bandwidth deployments that BPL companies originally envisioned. However, Internet access BPL is essentially dying due to competition and lack of carrier interest, so I think the question will never be answered and many of the debates here are pointless. However if someone makes erroneous claims that amateur radio is useless or has no value in emergency communications, or the several other often-repeated wrong tidbits of so-called information, expect people like me to rebut. |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
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said by rf_engineer :said by Surfinusa :Your right take it with a grain of salt. Personally I can care less what Hams want or BPL users want. Trust me I can are less. Then why are you here and why should anyone care about your worthless opinions? About to ask you the same thing.
I am tired of hearing about people crying over spilled milk.
You say my worthless opinions? I guess it depends on what you call worthless. I am not giving my opinion. I express how I feel.
Like I said I can care less about the HAM/BPL arguments and would love to see them co-exist and stop the bickering.
And I would love it for members to be a little more respectful to other members ( such as yourself).
Learn some manners when posting here. It is not taken to kindly calling a Members post worthless. Take a lesson from this.
You don't have to agree with a post.
If the post was worthless you wouldn't have bothered replying or getting involved.
Not sure what your aim or trying to accomplish other than Trolling, stirring up trouble. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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said by Surfinusa :Your right take it with a grain of salt. Personally I can care less what Hams want or BPL users want. Trust me I can are less. Then why are you here and why should anyone care about your worthless opinions? |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
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Your right take it with a grain of salt.
Personally I can care less what Hams want or BPL users want.
It would be nice to see people stop acting like there arm is being removed slowly. Or there liberties are being taken away.
All I hear is pouting/crying, and the you don't understand what this does to us.
They are right I don't understand and don't care.
I laugh and the next time I need someone with a Ham radios help I would rather wait for the ambulance to come or drive myself.
And for those who say what if those services are not available and I can't get help and need a Ham radio operator.
I say great if they want to help me. But otherwise I won't hold my breath.
I like Ham radios I like using them. But I am not going to cry over it if someone interferes I can just change channels or turn it off and make a phone call. (wow) that's a new concept. Save the Radio for when its a real emergency.
LOL I get a kick out of BPL and Hams crying about this and that.
Trust me I can are less. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
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said by Surfinusa :Would be nice if HAM and BPL could co-exist. Apparently not with current technologies. It's been said that BPL can notch around hobby frequencies. Even that ARRL has supported such an implementation.
See »Catch up on the truth
You just don't hear that kind of balance because most hobbyists have a "circle the wagons" strategy. "If you give a little, they'll take more." It's understandable. You get that from any special interest group. That's why you have to take things with a grain of salt.
Mark |
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Surfinusa
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said by rf_engineer :The "no power, no interference" claim was debunked three or four years ago; it's a rather simplistic and severely flawed argument. Perhaps we should also dismantle our military during peacetime? No war, no military needed, eh? The same marketing and legal drones who were spewing BPL propaganda with similar simple-minded answers back in 2003 and 2004 have moved on to other industries with their hockey-stick growth charts. But feel free to repeat the same material again...we all need a good laugh. Dismantle the military great thinking.
Now if every country would do that.
Would be nice if HAM and BPL could co-exist.
Apparently not with current technologies. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
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said by Surfinusa :said by Mactron :said by Surfinusa :Just a thought though BPL service could be down in case of a disaster so there wouldn't be interference. Possibly at some point they could co-exist. No power no interference. Disaster no Power. So folks are suppose to invest time, money, and effort into something that can only be used when BPL is down ? Pretty hard to setup, test, and regularly verify a setup that's being Jammed by BPL 99.99 % of the time. Your thought needs some more practical thinking I believe. My 2 ¢ We have 4cents now. Wouldn't it be nice if everything worked the way you want it. The "no power, no interference" claim was debunked three or four years ago; it's a rather simplistic and severely flawed argument. Perhaps we should also dismantle our military during peacetime? No war, no military needed, eh?
As others have said, you can't train for emergency communications if there's no spectrum to train with and it's highly unlikely that citizens would spend thousands of dollars on equipment that would only be usable during mass power outages.
But this is all largely a moot point as most of the severely polluting BPL systems have shutdown and Internet access BPL is pretty much withering on the vine as it can't keep up with competing technology. The same marketing and legal drones who were spewing BPL propaganda with similar simple-minded answers back in 2003 and 2004 have moved on to other industries with their hockey-stick growth charts. But feel free to repeat the same material again...we all need a good laugh. |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
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said by Mactron :said by Surfinusa :Just a thought though BPL service could be down in case of a disaster so there wouldn't be interference. Possibly at some point they could co-exist. No power no interference. Disaster no Power. So folks are suppose to invest time, money, and effort into something that can only be used when BPL is down ? Pretty hard to setup, test, and regularly verify a setup that's being Jammed by BPL 99.99 % of the time. Your thought needs some more practical thinking I believe. My 2 ¢ We have 4cents now.
Wouldn't it be nice if everything worked the way you want it. |
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