netpro
join:2008-07-05
North York, ON
| reply to TSI Marc
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy? - Ridiculous XXX !
Hi Marc, I understand you as manager is trying to protect your people, I would do exactly the same if I were you. However, only deal with the facts, mistakes are mistakes. And I believe you missed my point. I never complained about the turnaround due to the fact that 3 vendors involved. That's why I planned so far ahead(more than 1 month). During this period, Bell/Rogers did give you rejects within every 10 days or so due to your mistakes. I can't really blame them even though they aren't really helping here, but at least play by the book without mistakes on their side.
the bottom line is everyone should learn from their mistakes and grow out of it. You guys have such great products and technical expertise, I really wish you go far far better.
said by TSI Marc  :netpro, It should be noted that transfers from other providers, non-bell, such as Rogers are generally more involved. example; we talk to Bell, Bell talks to Rogers, Rogers responds to Bell, Bell responds to us. They are all supposed to respond with x amount of time but we've been finding that that isn't always happening. |
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TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
| Hey netpro,
yeah, I added that bit about Rogers because of a couple other posts.. i.e. It wasn't really directed specifically at you but more as a general statement.
anyway, thanks for the feedback. cheers.
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TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Stewy
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy?
said by Stewy :said by netpro :I ordered ... DSL at the end of the June to get away from Rogers. I kinda understand your frustration but it's not as if you missed your flight to the moon or anything. If you were with rogers and ordered DSL you should have stayed with rogers until your DSL got connected that way you wouldn't have had any downtime. Rogers will pro-rate on the day you quit and I'm sure that TSI would have pro-rated you on the day you started or even later. When I ordered DSL my line was totally dead, I was supposed to go live on Friday and TSI was the one that called me on Monday morning asking why they didn't see any activity. I told them I didn't have DSL and they logged a ticket with Bell and it took another day or two. Yea crap does happen and I applaud TSI for being up-front unlike other companies. they won't pro-rate squat, they want 30 days notice for any cancellation of service now. |
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thorne anon
@primus.ca
| reply to TSI Marc
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy? - Ridiculous XXX !
"They are all supposed to respond with x amount of time but we've been finding that that isn't always happening."
more BS
you should have a SLA (service level agreement)with these providers. that SLA should state 'we will respond in x days'. if they are not getting back to you as defined by your SLA then you need to get your lawyers to climb up their ass and bite!
be proactive! it's not 'bell has a problem...' it's 'TS has a problem w/ bell'
stop using Bell's shortcomings to excuse your lack of action. |
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TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
| Thorne,
You're preaching to the quire.
There are no SLA's, only SLO's with Bell. They are not legally obligated to achieve those objectives. They are only obligated to try.
We are proactive, and we work very closely with Bell on all fronts.
The fact is that even still, there are realities that we are constantly at the mercy of. It's not black or white.
For the short comings, I've already said my piece. There are zero excuses. We are working at it, and will get back to our old ways come hell or high water.
One thing is for sure, if we were to take a "this is BS, I'm going to climb up your ass" attitude with them, we would all be worse off.
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TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
 ·ELECTRONICBOX
| Is this a case of Teksavvy actually making mistakes ?
If the customer says to Teksavvy he lives in Town X, but Rogers thinks you are in town Y, can Teksavvy really know that they should enter Y in the request form ?
Remember that Rogers doesn't really have landline service. It is something it inherited when it bought Sprint Canada. And it is something it didn't really want.
Netpro, it would be interesting if you could confirm once Bell truly has transfered your service fully. I personally woudln't be surprised to see some snafus with bell too.
Number portability is relatively new to Canada and even in the USA where it has been available for some time, there are still lots of snafus. |
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TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
| Hey JF,
We did indeed drop the ball on this one. There may have been other factors but there's no denying that we have been making mistakes, more then normal. It's not just this one order. Rocky and I can see it and it needs to be put in check. I don't think there's that much wrong but it's more about letting people down then anything. We haven't been paying proper attention. It's normal to have issues but if we're not paying attention, they don't get resolved properly.
The lack of attention wasn't because we were picking our noses either, we've been busy with a few things that needed attention. Certainly this CRTC stuff has taken up a ton of energy and resources but doesn't excuse that we need to find a way to make it all happen.
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TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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thorne anon
@primus.ca
1 edit | reply to TSI Marc
"we work very closely with Bell on all fronts" sounds like mandatory PR content...and leads me to wonder how much advanced warning you had of the throttling of your wholesale service...
feel free to correct me as IANAL but is Bell not mandated to do business with you? and were you(TS) an active participant in the negotiation of your Service Level Objectives? a SLO may not be as restrictive as a SLA but there is still a consequence for failure.
you need to change this and present yourselves as doing so, filings to the CRTC, renegotiations of contract elements etc. it is not an instant process but we (the community) mostly realize that. what you need to realize (beyond saying "there are realities that we are constantly at the mercy of" and "There are zero excuses" makes you look foolish) is that you need to present yourselves as more then complacent with the imbalances in your relationship with Bell. |
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fourboxers
Premium,Mod
join:2003-05-04
Scarborough, ON
clubs:  |  (topic move) I'm not angry, I'm disappointed
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netpro
join:2008-07-05
North York, ON
| reply to jfmezei
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy? - Ridiculous XXX !
I am curious myself too about the outcome and will let everybody know how it turns out. BTW, my phone number was never sprint, but Bell. I ported my number to Rogers a few years back due to no DSL service in my area. Now it seems Bell(of course teksavvy) can offer 2MB link which is ok for me. I just hate Rogers too much to stay with them. They treat loyalty like shit.
said by jfmezei :Is this a case of Teksavvy actually making mistakes ? If the customer says to Teksavvy he lives in Town X, but Rogers thinks you are in town Y, can Teksavvy really know that they should enter Y in the request form ? Remember that Rogers doesn't really have landline service. It is something it inherited when it bought Sprint Canada. And it is something it didn't really want. Netpro, it would be interesting if you could confirm once Bell truly has transfered your service fully. I personally woudln't be surprised to see some snafus with bell too. Number portability is relatively new to Canada and even in the USA where it has been available for some time, there are still lots of snafus. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to netpro
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy?
I think what everyone is missing is that you have a real person (in the case or Marc or Rockey) that actually respond to your issues.
Try that with Rogers or Bell(ok Teksavvy is smaller but the principles are the same)
Now is Marc giving you PR spin? Some of I suspect, but I also see a lot of honesty... "we dropped the ball" he's here taking the flak and responding.
Now lets look at the Rogers mess with the iphone. Data rates to expensive, transfer amount too low.. whats the response? "We could give you unlimited,but it'll cost more"!!!!!
I don't know Marc's position with Teksavvy(Partner?) but he is painfully aware of what ticking off a customer is.
Rogers? MEH who cares...
I know I'm not comparing apples to apples, but the point here is that Rogers has all the money to hire PR , to spin the story in their favour but instead don't care.
I suspect that the customer service (though in this instance it seems to leave something to be desired), is and what makes Teksavvy.
For the record, I use 3web (too far away from the CO for DSL) and am not a Teksavvy employee. |
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CR123
join:2006-11-04
Vancouver, BC
| reply to thorne anon
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy? - Ridiculous XXX !
I think that Teksavvy probably has done the best they can do in their SLO's with Bell - and it's awfully hard to prove that Bell isn't trying their best to meet their obligations. Well, awfully hard to prove to the CRTC, and I'm sure Teksavvy is a bit too busy right now to form a regulatory department that would investigate. |
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TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
| reply to elwoodblues
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy?
Hey elwoodblues,
There's no PR spin at all, I'm just trying to be honest and give my point of view as I wish it would be done if the situation were reversed.
For those who don't know, I'm the other owner. Rocky and I are brothers and we own TekSavvy.
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TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Poor Eric, nobody mentions him... Doesn't he also own a share? :P |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| Yeah Guspaz, isn't the phone thing Eric's turf ?
I think the 2 older Gaudrault brothers should threathen to fit their kid brother with cement shoes and throw him in Lake Ontario 
*I* am aware that Teksavvy has some pretty major systems upgrade to perform this year and the workload must be very high when you consider the growth they are going through, and then you add this newphangled service called "telephone" and *I* can certaintly understand little snafus here and there.
But a customer who is new to TSI doesn't know the story behind the scenes and thus only sees the end result, and where there is a snafu, it leaves a bad taste of the company.
The fact that such a single issue can still be discussed like this and get the owners involved in the conversation means a lot. It means that the owners do care about fixing such snafus. |
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netpro
join:2008-07-05
North York, ON
1 edit | reply to netpro
Re: Am I the bad luck one in teksavvy? - Ridiculous XXX !
What a suprise(difference)! I just got 3 calls from Rogers asking why I wanted to transfer my home phone to Bell. That's speedy.
More interesting thing is that after they knew they cannot keep me as I need traditional land line, they acutally offered me 20% discount on the two services left(internet & TV)and a gas card for one year contract. They were really afraid(which they should be) that I am going away. I refused and would leave that opportunity to somebody else as I had enough with that stupid intrusive in-brower bar and I accidently found that Bell may offer the VDSL in my building which will be up to 16MB('»www.connectyourspace.com').
Looks like Bell may be able to hold the promise and deliver my phone in 5 days. If so, I am getting the 16MB link.
said by netpro :I am curious myself too about the outcome and will let everybody know how it turns out. BTW, my phone number was never sprint, but Bell. I ported my number to Rogers a few years back due to no DSL service in my area. Now it seems Bell(of course teksavvy) can offer 2MB link which is ok for me. I just hate Rogers too much to stay with them. They treat loyalty like shit. said by jfmezei :Is this a case of Teksavvy actually making mistakes ? If the customer says to Teksavvy he lives in Town X, but Rogers thinks you are in town Y, can Teksavvy really know that they should enter Y in the request form ? Remember that Rogers doesn't really have landline service. It is something it inherited when it bought Sprint Canada. And it is something it didn't really want. Netpro, it would be interesting if you could confirm once Bell truly has transfered your service fully. I personally woudln't be surprised to see some snafus with bell too. Number portability is relatively new to Canada and even in the USA where it has been available for some time, there are still lots of snafus. |
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netpro
join:2008-07-05
North York, ON
|  The Final Conclusion/Finding on my phone transfer!
I have to give Bell big credit because they do keep their promise to transfer my phone over on time, actually before schedule as the promise was 8am-12pm today. However, I found my phone is already with Bell @ 7:30am. What a relief! I don't have to worry about Rogers disconnecting my phone any more. So, it wasn't my phone account problem. It really was teksavvy's non-tech CSRs screwed up the transfer.
Next thing I have to see is that if the 2MB DSL is good enough, if so, I will give teksavvy another chance for the DSL service. Otherwise, I have to use Bell's VDSL @ 7MB or 16MB which is the only full speed internet available in my building.
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netpro
join:2008-07-05
North York, ON
1 edit | Just found out that actually the DSL was activated at the same time when the phone was activated. Before getting the Bell modem @ 10am, I had my own SS4200 connected without any problems. I am actually replying the thread using DSL now. Great! |
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