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Cleveland, OH | What a massive waste
Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service? |
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1 edit | said by Alky  :Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that. Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service? It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building.
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To comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden. --
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by Alky :Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that. Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service? It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building. Read the details here: » www.philly.com/philly/entertainm···ral.htmlTo comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden. Haven't you learned that when it come to Comcast, the facts don't matter? 
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TK, Stop trying to use logic here with these people, it doesn't apply. They don't think that any business should make a profit, they don't think that these profits should be able to spent as they see fit - regardless of the arts mandate which is something that happens nationwide on all new structures with a certain price tag. They don't get it.
They believe because they purchase a service that it's a democracy how the profits are to be spent. I suppose, however, if that's how they want it, then maybe we should all be able to tell private people how to spend their earnings too. Maybe people shouldn't spend so much money on worthless cell phones, or eating out. Maybe they shouldn't waste it on frivolous things like vacations and trips. Maybe they should spend it on furthering their education and getting better jobs so they don't worry as much about spending their money they way they see fit.
When I saw this thread and before I entered it, I KNEW it would be this tone, OR, was waiting for people to ask if they were getting the HD feed from DirecTV. |
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Why should they? Comcast isn't exactly forthcoming with facts. |
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said by fiberguy :TK, Stop trying to use logic here with these people, it doesn't apply. They don't think that any business should make a profit, they don't think that these profits should be able to spent as they see fit Not at all, they just feel violated when they are told rates must be raised to keep the company afloat, and then the company is making huge profits after this obvious lie.
Also, a company operating in a free, open, competitive market making unlimited profit is entirely different from one that operates essentially as a monopoly with government blessing.
Edit: I have no problem with anyone making an HONEST profit, but so much profit these days is DISHONEST, earned through lying and market manipulation/control. |
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Does that mean under that zoning code I could buy a bunch of music and then play it throughout the building as "Art"?  |
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How about the company in question actually provide you with the service they charge you for.... |
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said by KrK :Does that mean under that zoning code I could buy a bunch of music and then play it throughout the building as "Art"? If you paid the copyright holders their cut you could. And don't forget the city would want you to pay for an entertainment license.
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More like when you're SHILLING for Comcast, the facts don't matter.
TK engaged in a bit of selective quoting.
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However, in a 2006 letter to the city Art Commission, he had indicated that the company was required to spend at least $905,000, and that the fountain ($950,000) and the Borofsky sculpture ($1.6 million) would surpass that amount. The video wall was not included in the proposal, presumably because it wasn't needed to satisfy the zoning code, but perhaps also because keeping that project out of the official public-art domain allowed Liberty more flexibility in how it might be used in the future.
The Video Wall was not a gov't mandated art anything. It's was Brian "BMW" Robert's idea.
»broadcastengineering.com/news/co···es-0624/
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The lobby installation was conceived by Comcast chairman and CEO Brian Roberts as a gift to the people of Philadelphia.
The $22M was paid by Comcast »dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_···.php?p=7 as part of their 15.5 year 90% lease of the building. Comcast also paid $250M for furnishings. Roberts thought it up and like the switch from stone to glass, insisted on it's installation. |
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TK is wrong. The video wall has ZERO to do with the art compliance. The very article he quoted states as much. According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby. »www.4evergroup.org/news_items/08···000.html just as he insisted on the change from a stone exterior to a glass exterior. |
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1 edit | That's what happens when you pony up guaranteed hundreds of millions in subscriber dough. According to real estate articles, leases in the Comcast Center are in the high $30/ft range and they're leasing over 1M sqft.
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Comcast Center's annual per-square-foot rents are in the high $30s, which has allowed rents at other buildings in the mid-$20s to creep upward, Gattuso said.
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Holy crap! Your service has problems.. either 1) call for a service call and get it handled 2) stop buying from a company that is allegedly ripping you off.
I don't know what's worse.. a company that doesn't produce what they sell, as some people claim, or those that continue to do business with them no matter WHAT the reason. |
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So the video wall belongs to the building owner and is leasing it to Comcast. Just like the cafeteria, offices, & bathrooms.
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This company, that provides luxury services, chooses to keep their profits at a certain level. I suppose that when their rates, which are largely dictated by the price they pay for the services they resell, should just start taking a loss so you don't pay more?
Let me explain reality - when prices of services go up to providers, they raise them to the consumer. It's that simple. Some companies chose to take a hit and not raise, Cable and other businesses, do not.
I mean... OMG.. The Comcast building has an HD screen in their HQ building - SO DO MANY OF THE LOBBIES! Big deal!
What's even worse, is that anytime comcast does anything, the SAME people come here and fester about anything they can throw on their screens. Really.. it's old. How about a constructive conversation?
Further, no one here has bothered to read the fact that it's the building's owner that put the screen up as required by law.
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said by Dogfather :According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby. Wow, imagine that. The lead tenant in a building had suggestions for its design and the owner listened. The world is spinning off its access!!
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Depends on the terms of the lease and whether the wall is considered a permanent installation. It certainly doesn't have to belong to the building owner just as the cafeteria may not if it's not a "permanent installation".
Comcast and Liberty call it a "gift" to the city, so who knows what the actual terms of the lease are. The telling tale would be who pays to fix it. When you're spending $250M on desks and chairs, another $22M for a giant TV isn't beyond the wasteful capacity of Comcast.
But there is no doubt it was Comcast's creation, and it's subscriber money (at nearly $40/ft) that is paying for this glass tower for Roberts and his cronies.
My lease (of course I'm not leasing 1M sqft) wouldn't be that different. Build to suit is common, but it is I who pay for these improvements outright or negotiate it as part of the lease (so I'm still paying, but just paying over time). |
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said by GOLFnSUN :said by Dogfather :According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby. Wow, imagine that. The lead tenant in a building had suggestions for its design and the owner listened. The world is spinning off its access!! Yeah, imagine that...Comcast spending hundreds of millions in subscriber money on their fancy new HQ while their service runs like ass and customer service ranks lower than the IRS. |
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| said by Dogfather :Yeah, imagine that...Comcast spending hundreds of millions in subscriber money on their fancy new HQ while their service runs like ass and customer service ranks lower than the IRS. By consolidating all their workers from multiple buildings and multiple leases in to one building, I heard that they are actually paying less per year under the new lease starting next year after everyone is moved in.
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