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said by Alky See Profile :

Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service?
It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building.

Read the details here:
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To comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden.
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Re: What a massive waste

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said by Alky See Profile :

Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service?
It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building.

Read the details here:
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To comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden.
Haven't you learned that when it come to Comcast, the facts don't matter?
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Why should they? Comcast isn't exactly forthcoming with facts.

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More like when you're SHILLING for Comcast, the facts don't matter.

TK engaged in a bit of selective quoting.

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However, in a 2006 letter to the city Art Commission, he had indicated that the company was required to spend at least $905,000, and that the fountain ($950,000) and the Borofsky sculpture ($1.6 million) would surpass that amount. The video wall was not included in the proposal, presumably because it wasn't needed to satisfy the zoning code, but perhaps also because keeping that project out of the official public-art domain allowed Liberty more flexibility in how it might be used in the future.
The Video Wall was not a gov't mandated art anything. It's was Brian "BMW" Robert's idea.

»broadcastengineering.com/news/co···es-0624/

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The lobby installation was conceived by Comcast chairman and CEO Brian Roberts as a gift to the people of Philadelphia.
The $22M was paid by Comcast »dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_···.php?p=7 as part of their 15.5 year 90% lease of the building. Comcast also paid $250M for furnishings. Roberts thought it up and like the switch from stone to glass, insisted on it's installation.

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Re: What a massive waste

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The $22M was paid by Comcast »dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_···.php?p=7 as part of their 15.5 year 90% lease of the building.
So the video wall belongs to the building owner and is leasing it to Comcast. Just like the cafeteria, offices, & bathrooms.
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Depends on the terms of the lease and whether the wall is considered a permanent installation. It certainly doesn't have to belong to the building owner just as the cafeteria may not if it's not a "permanent installation".

Comcast and Liberty call it a "gift" to the city, so who knows what the actual terms of the lease are. The telling tale would be who pays to fix it. When you're spending $250M on desks and chairs, another $22M for a giant TV isn't beyond the wasteful capacity of Comcast.

But there is no doubt it was Comcast's creation, and it's subscriber money (at nearly $40/ft) that is paying for this glass tower for Roberts and his cronies.

My lease (of course I'm not leasing 1M sqft) wouldn't be that different. Build to suit is common, but it is I who pay for these improvements outright or negotiate it as part of the lease (so I'm still paying, but just paying over time).
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Re: What a massive waste

You have a VERY strange concept of who's money it is. You imply that the "subscribers" have any say over the money because it's "their" money, as in the subscribers. Need a lesson on economics? Comcast set a price for a product, THOSE OF US who live in comcast territory, unlike SOME around here, agree to pay it. The money changes hand. The SUBSCRIBER got the service, the company keeps the money. See? easy.

Some how you think that the subscribers are entitled to how the revenue of comcast is spent after their bills are paid. ABSURD! The only say a subscriber has is to cancel their service and not be a part of the process.

This is no different than you having any say against the way an Albertsons or Safeway spends their money after you buy groceries, or how Best Buy spends their money.

If you don't like it, then move along - it's not your place to say, NOR judge! You're not even a subscriber! I think you like to bitch, just to bitch!

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Wrong again sport. I was a customer of Comcrap between ATTB and Time Warner. I have first hand experience with their 2X a year 3X inflation price increases, nastygrams for violating their phantom caps and the ever cool 30% "how dare you not have our crap CATV" penalty.

It is the subscribers money. The subscribers pay and Comcast comes back telling them they must take increases because of this or that. Meanwhile as service gets worse and worse and prices get higher and higher, they build their ivory tower with hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars.

If Comcast and their shills want to avoid criticism, they could stop wasting hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars on bullshit and start providing decent service.

Oh, and yeah, the money I make from my business is my customers' money. In exchange for the sums they pay, they expect and get the best product and best service in my industry. And DAMN STRAIGHT if my customer service rankings were below that of the IRS, I would be putting THEIR hard paid money into improving service and quality, not a new HD screen for the lobby and fancy desk for my office.
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You aren't any more.. If you have those problems, take it to the rant forum where it belongs!

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Re: What a massive waste

Since when was my last post to this item offensive or OT?
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Since when does being logical make you a shill?

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Re: What a massive waste

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Since when does being logical make you a shill?
Logic doesn't, but a complete lack of objectivity and constantly excusing the inexcusable do.

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Re: What a massive waste

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Logic doesn't, but a complete lack of objectivity and constantly excusing the inexcusable do.
Just so I understand the rules, you're making the sole determination what does and doesn't fall into the category of 'inexcusable', and anybody else who has a differing opinion is either wrong or a corporate shill (or both)?

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There's no rules. Someone who CONSTANTLY kisses the ass of any particular business no matter what they do is a shill.

And yeah, I'm safe in saying that Comcast engaging in predatory pricing in inexcusable and Verizon stealing $2B from Pennsylvania taxpayers in inexcusable. I also say that Comcast wasting hundreds of millions on their ivory tower while their customer service sinks below that of the Internal Revenue Service is inexcusable. I say charging $7.50 for caller ID and $1.50 to stay out of the phone book, 'you didn't use enough long distance fees' and converting the USF into regulatory recover fees are all inexcusable.

The shills defend their price increases. The shills defend their horrid customer service ratings. They defend the wasting of money. They defend their draconian network management policies. Hell, they defend charging $1.50 to keep yer name out of the phone book. Meanwhile they CONSTANTLY assail competitors, no matter what good they do.

You can disagree with some of these assertions, of course. But when you CONSTANTLY side with the telcos or CONSTANTLY side with cable, or CONSTANTLY side with big business...you're a shill. No business, no industry, no government, no party, no anything is perfect however these various fanboy shills rarely if ever find faults in anything their heroes do.

They're nothing but spokesholes for their coaxial or twisted pair masters. If we wanted talking points, we can get those at corporate websites.

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Re: What a massive waste

So does that make you and anti-corporation shill?

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It would if you didn't bother to look at my post history which includes supporting civil immunity for the telcos and elimination of all corporate taxes. This is too funny

First I'm all about being an telco shill and always assailing Comcast
»Karl, you have proof that COMCAST published it?
»Re: "He who gets the last laugh.. "

Never having a bad word to say about Verizon
»They promised PA stuff too
»Last mile will kill them
Or AT&T
»Re: Good ruling that slows blackmail by local gov't
»Telcos need to get a clue
»AT&T greed...
»Re: AT&T greed...

And now I'm an anti-corporate shill...
»Rebate Checks + Permanent Tax Cuts
...while being one of the few who sides with civil immunity for the telcos
»So what
»No win scenario for the Telcos

The fanboys will see only what they want to see. They have selective memories.

Meanwhile I'll continue my shilling on behalf of the taxpayers and rate payers.
»Re: So what

You want to side against rate payers and tax payers...more power to ya.
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Re: What a massive waste

Quack all you want, but you're still a shill to your own side. You go through and pull up selective posts to support your spin, however, you fail to pull the ones where I too don't support Comcast and I too have supported phone in where I feel they've done right.

So, in your quest to point the fingers at others around here, you have failed to support your arguments. One act of dissent doesn't take away that you are such an anti-XXXX extremest.

Besides, when did it become YOUR job to come to this forum and post the every so common "You're a shill" message to anyone that disagrees with you?

EVEN IF I were a shill, which I am not and is NONE of your concern, what the hell does it matter and who made you police of BBR? Last time I checked, you are not a Mod, so STOP ACTING LIKE ONE!

I think you need to take light to the TOS here at BBR.

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"2) harasses another person or advocates such harassment or causes them to be fearful;"

While I am not fearful of you, your constant harassment is getting old!

If you do not like the fact that I do not agree with you and you can't change it, then DO NOT RESPOND TO MY POSTS! Use the ignore button and move on!

Both you and BBR need to start enforcing their own TOS agreement here. I have a right to post my messages and views here in this forum with out someone like you coming behind me and acting like a 4 year old, calling me shill, and other names. I have every right not to have a view that does not agree with yours, no matter what that may be, and I have a right to do so, as do many others, with out being harassed as the way you have been.

Your actions are beyond cute or even funny.. they are down right harassing and belligerent . I'd advise you, and the mods here, to stop this activity immediately.

It is NOT your place to seek out and identify people who may or may not be so-call shills, now is it?

I am making this clean RIGHT NOW.. I am not a paid corporate spokes person, I am not compensated in anyway by ANY communications company, it is not my job OR hobby to defend or make any organization look good or better - PERIOD! You, and ANYONE ELSE who things so, needs to get this through your head. I speak ONLY for myself and my views are my own - NO ONE ELSES!

SO KNOCK IT THE F*&* OFF!

You, and your friends, need to knock it off and abide by the rules here at BBR, INCLUDING the mods who let people like you get away with this kind of behavior which goes against the very TOS that we ALL agree to by using this site.

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LOL. Of course I'm a shill for my side. Duh. I shill for the little guy, Joe Taxpayer and Jane Ratepayer who are constantly screwed over by government, cable, telcos, the jerkoffs they bribe and everyone else who abuses their power.

You can go on shilling for Comcast all you want. No one is stopping you (obviously) and you're certainly not the only cable fanboy on DSLR. But don't expect your outrageous claims and endless defense of cable interests to go unanswered. No one here is going to give you are anyone else a free pass to spout endless corporate talking points or viciously attack anyone who dares speak ill of the all-mighty Comcast.

I will continue to slam Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, government, or their fanboy shill spokeholes whenever they spout lies and bullshit, support the lies and bullshit or regurgitate the lies and bullshit.

There is one thing telling about all this. You don't have problems giving me thumbs up when I'm defending Comcast or the cable industry from the cable haters and telco shills. But then you quickly turn and call it harassment when those same satirical guns are trained in the direction of the Coaxial Masters or their many minions. That's called hypocrisy. And you constantly belittle and flame people (the likely cause of so many moderator actions against you) usually while talking out your ass arguing with people way above your pay grade. And you think you're being picked on? Don't flatter yourself. Trust me, no one here gives you a second thought.

If you have a problem with a post or user your only recourse is to refute the post, ignore the post/user and/or use the Hey Mods button.

In the meantime I suggest you get some objectivity, don't post what you can't defend and don't boo hoo it up whenever people call you out for firing up your daily cable talking points. Every single post here is open for comment and critique and when posting patterns emerge, those patterns are open for comment and critique as well.

EDIT - Actually I just gave you a 1 extra thought.

The day before yesterday you called pspcrazy See Profile a "little boy" during one of your typical forum rule violating belittlementfests but it's obviously you who needs to man up. You dish it out constantly and now you're complaining about how you're a poor victim of a vast conspiracy that includes DSLR mods. Interesting that you feel that you should be able to dish it out as much as you want but you yourself should never be challenged.

I thought I would share an old post of yours with the class. I'll leave you with your own words...

»Re: When will the HD quality improve?

said by fiberguy :
You haven't met a smart ass until you've met me....If you're going to come here and post something, that isn't accurate, and that you "know it for true" and your research is a few posts from the internet... well, expect to get the response he did.
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I live in Pennsylvania and Verizon actually had to come through on the deal. My Grandma, actually we call it the farm because the nearest neighbor is a cow... no really is about 5 miles away yet she gets 3 meg DSL!

Now, with that said, I think Verizon came through, by force and in a different way than promised, so quit using that BS.

I have Verizon dry DSL with Vonage VOIP to solve all of the above problems you mentioned. Use your brain and stop bitching because there are ways around everything you are bitching about. I think you have every right to complain but what you are complaining about is simply not a valid problem, therefore, you are just like a crazy man on the corner screaming the end is near without anything to back it up.

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You need to think more and type less. You should actually read up on Chap 30 and what it required. I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version of the history lesson since you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

3Mb dry loop doesn't even come close to meeting their Chap 30 obligations which among other things required full deployment of 45Mb video and data services to all access lines and installing that service within 5 days of customer order. You have 45Mb service available to you within 5 days of order? As of 4 years ago 50% of PA subs were supposed to have it.

Also chapter 30 defined broadband as a minimum 1.5/1.5. Your ADSL doesn't even meet the Chap 30 definition of broadband and we all know that 1.5Mb DSL isn't available on all access lines and T1s don't get installed within 5 days.

So why would Chap 30 even be written into law?

BA at the time was planning FTTP deployment »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···29607541 and in exchange Chapter 30 offered significant deregulation and bonuses. BA got their Chap 30 deregulation which according to the testamony of well known industry expert Dr. Selwyn »www.econtech.com/library/LLS%20P···2002.pdf BA got billions and billions while not deploying shit. When it finally came to deploying fiber, Verizon chose Texas, not Pennsylvania to see it's first deployments. And even to this day, FTTC isn't available in the deployment rates required by Chap 30.

Now you want to back up your claim that BA now VZ has met their Chapter 30 obligations of 45Mb service on all their access lines? Not even T3 meets the requirements as VZ doesn't service it within the required 5 days, and even VZ themselves aren't stupid enough to say a T3 meets the requirement (they wrongly claim that ADSL does it »www22.verizon.com/about/communit···dex.html despite the lack of universal servicability of synchronous 1.5Mb service that don't meet the original Chap 30 requirements). And of course VZ provides no video services on those lines.

In early 2002 the PA PUC stated
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"...this Commission has a legal obligation to reject Verizon PA’s 2000 Update and require it to submit a new update specifying its plans to satisfy its legal obligation to provide a modernized network with broadband capability of at least 45 Mbps upstream and downstream, to be available within five days from the customer request date.
In 2003 Pennsylvania let Verizon off the hook, letting them keep the billions they got and still no 45Mb service. »Picture Perfect Deal

I eagerly await your data showing VZ even remotely lived up to BA's Chap 30 obligations of sychronous 45Mb service or any evidence to refute the testimony of industry expert Dr. Selwyn.

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Re: What a massive waste

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You need to think more and type less.
Physician, heal thy self.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

You need to think more and type less.
Physician, heal thy self.
And you tried to push the same myth...that teletruth was lying when they showed data indicating that VZ didn't live up to their Chap 30 requirements while taking billions.

»They promised PA stuff too
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Re: What a massive waste

Yes, Verizon "settled" and came through in a half-assed way. I never said they delivered the 45 meg FIBER TO THE HOME they agreed to. I said they satisfied the masses by providing rural broadband. They did this by requiring 50 signatures per zip, a huge mistake on there part because a zip code is 10-200 square miles...

My point was they came through in a way, and that is what I said. They did not deliver what they said but we did get them in the end, my POINT well written I felt but I guess anyone can read anything into anything written, huh?

You live in CA. The last Chap 30 involved you was when?

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You didn't get anything promised by Chap 30 in the end. You have 1.5Mb upload on that dry loop? You mentioned 3Mb dry loop and I'm unaware of any 3/1.5+ dry loop plans from VZ. You have VZ video services on that dry loop? Certainly no. Only FiOS customers are getting the things promised by Chap 30 and Chap 30 required that FiOS type service be available to 50% of all customers 4 years ago.

VZ got billions in breaks and PA subs got none of what they were promised. And when it finally came to it, VZ flipped PA the bird and deployed in Texas. I think that sucks. PA should have seen the first and fastest FiOS deployment rates in the nation. VZ should have pulled out all the stops. Since they didn't I think VZ from their massive margins should have to repay the PA taxpayers every penny they got through this scam.

And I don't give a crap where people are when the get screwed over, I'm going to be critical of whoever is doing the screwing no matter where they are.
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Re: What a massive waste

Eat another donut.... Why do I bother replying?

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"I was a customer"

So what do you care? I think you are confusing a "Shareholder" and a "Customer" If you were a shareholder then you might have a valid complaint. As a customer you can take your money else where if you don't like how they spend the money they make off of you.

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No guy. Comcast's customer service is in decline (to the point they're rated lower than the IRS) and they're constantly raising prices. it's a valid bitch to protest these issues when they're wasting hundreds of millions on fluff. It's also valid when they're looking kill the ownership cap and acquire new cable systems, bringing their horrid service to new areas (like they did at my Inland Empire home where they bought ATTB and ran it into the ground).

Reverse the download spiral of customer service, slow the rate of the price increases to something even remotely reflecting inflation and THEN waste some dough on the fluff.

And in a lot of markets, Comcast has no competitor, especially in low latency data services. In others where there is a new competitor, Comcast engages in illegal predatory pricing to run them out of business. »Comcast Vs. Utopia »'Discounted' Competition

But enough of this. The cable fanboys will defend everything Comcast does no matter what just as telco fanboys defend everything the telcos do no matter what. Pointing out the obvious flaws in either industry doesn't slow down their regurgitation of corporate talking points.

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When you exist in a market with very limited competition or basic non-competition you can spend as much money as you like on fancy luxuries and just increase the price to your subscribers to cover whatever expenses you like.... you also can get away with shoddier service and customer service due to the lack of options for the customers.

That's the basic point.
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TK, Stop trying to use logic here with these people, it doesn't apply. They don't think that any business should make a profit, they don't think that these profits should be able to spent as they see fit - regardless of the arts mandate which is something that happens nationwide on all new structures with a certain price tag. They don't get it.

They believe because they purchase a service that it's a democracy how the profits are to be spent. I suppose, however, if that's how they want it, then maybe we should all be able to tell private people how to spend their earnings too. Maybe people shouldn't spend so much money on worthless cell phones, or eating out. Maybe they shouldn't waste it on frivolous things like vacations and trips. Maybe they should spend it on furthering their education and getting better jobs so they don't worry as much about spending their money they way they see fit.

When I saw this thread and before I entered it, I KNEW it would be this tone, OR, was waiting for people to ask if they were getting the HD feed from DirecTV.

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Does that mean under that zoning code I could buy a bunch of music and then play it throughout the building as "Art"?

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