Re: What a massive waste in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20746026 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:51:49 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:51:49 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20755193 KrK : No, you act like an a-hole then say things like "I treat people how they treat me."

What a joke.

You reap what you sow..... Surprise, surprise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20755193 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:53:37 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754645 fiberguy : Then use the ignore button and please, buy all means, CONTINUE enjoying your horrible, "craptastic" service.

I treat each person the way they treat me. I now know how to treat you.

For you to sit there and call me wrong, is YOUR opinion.. I can see you are truly an extremist. I shall lose no sleep over people like you who enjoy festering.

Again, ENJOY greatly your horrible service.. you truly deserve it! And please, but all means, do NOT think for one moment anything you, or others, do here is going EVER make a change to anything other than your own rotten views in life. Please, enjoy your entitlements all you can get.

Fester.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754645 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:59:41 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754354 wentlanc :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

TK, Stop trying to use logic here with these people, it doesn't apply. They don't think that any business should make a profit, they don't think that these profits should be able to spent as they see fit - regardless of the arts mandate which is something that happens nationwide on all new structures with a certain price tag. They don't get it.

They believe because they purchase a service that it's a democracy how the profits are to be spent. I suppose, however, if that's how they want it, then maybe we should all be able to tell private people how to spend their earnings too. Maybe people shouldn't spend so much money on worthless cell phones, or eating out. Maybe they shouldn't waste it on frivolous things like vacations and trips. Maybe they should spend it on furthering their education and getting better jobs so they don't worry as much about spending their money they way they see fit.

When I saw this thread and before I entered it, I KNEW it would be this tone, OR, was waiting for people to ask if they were getting the HD feed from DirecTV.
This is why your posts are mean spirited. This is why your posts are rude. You start your very first post talking about everyone else in the third person. You speak as though everyone else is wrong, and only you are right. You speak as though only you an TK know the facts, and the rest of us don't count. Well guess what, this is a forum for all people to bring their opinions, stories, ideas, and experiences. We don't all have to agree with them. We may not all keep a civil tone about them. (at least as much as you are willing to inflect from someone elses writings )But the fact that you START by talking down to the rest of the people who would comment about this subject for various reasons may have something to do with the tone of the responses to your posts.

Have a nice day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754354 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:03:37 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754038 keyboard5684 : Eat another donut.... Why do I bother replying?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754038 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:08:39 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20753289 KrK : You've been insulting, rude, and wrong throughout this whole thread (and frankly, a lot of the threads you post.) I have refrained from insulting you back, but as you can see the tone here is a bit harsh. I'll just end it again by saying Thank you, your "advice" is not necessary.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20753289 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:47:46 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751613 fiberguy : How is it mean spirited and how was it wrong?

Seriously.. I meant every word I said. You can't sit back and expect change unless you get up and do something.

The only one being nasty here is you.

The way you change something in this country is to gain power in numbers. If you get people in your area to work WITH you to visit these city meetings and register your complaints as a whole, THIS is how you gain attention. You get your entire area that is experiencing these issues to show up to the meeting with the cable company there and tell them, as a group, change or you will disconnect. This gains attention.. this gets things fixed.

What is so wrong or mean spirited about this?

Seriously.. it sounds like you WANT to have something to bitch about.

By all means, please continue!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751613 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:33:50 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751245 Dogfather : You didn't get anything promised by Chap 30 in the end. You have 1.5Mb upload on that dry loop? You mentioned 3Mb dry loop and I'm unaware of any 3/1.5+ dry loop plans from VZ. You have VZ video services on that dry loop? Certainly no. Only FiOS customers are getting the things promised by Chap 30 and Chap 30 required that FiOS type service be available to 50% of all customers 4 years ago.

VZ got billions in breaks and PA subs got none of what they were promised. And when it finally came to it, VZ flipped PA the bird and deployed in Texas. I think that sucks. PA should have seen the first and fastest FiOS deployment rates in the nation. VZ should have pulled out all the stops. Since they didn't I think VZ from their massive margins should have to repay the PA taxpayers every penny they got through this scam.

And I don't give a crap where people are when the get screwed over, I'm going to be critical of whoever is doing the screwing no matter where they are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751245 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:20:44 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751226 keyboard5684 : Yes, Verizon "settled" and came through in a half-assed way. I never said they delivered the 45 meg FIBER TO THE HOME they agreed to. I said they satisfied the masses by providing rural broadband. They did this by requiring 50 signatures per zip, a huge mistake on there part because a zip code is 10-200 square miles...

My point was they came through in a way, and that is what I said. They did not deliver what they said but we did get them in the end, my POINT well written I felt but I guess anyone can read anything into anything written, huh?

You live in CA. The last Chap 30 involved you was when?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751226 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:14:55 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751066 Dogfather :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

You need to think more and type less.
Physician, heal thy self.
And you tried to push the same myth...that teletruth was lying when they showed data indicating that VZ didn't live up to their Chap 30 requirements while taking billions.

»They promised PA stuff too]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751066 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:39:06 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751060 GOLFnSUN :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

You need to think more and type less.
Physician, heal thy self.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751060 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:37:44 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751007 Dogfather : You need to think more and type less. You should actually read up on Chap 30 and what it required. I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version of the history lesson since you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

3Mb dry loop doesn't even come close to meeting their Chap 30 obligations which among other things required full deployment of 45Mb video and data services to all access lines and installing that service within 5 days of customer order. You have 45Mb service available to you within 5 days of order? As of 4 years ago 50% of PA subs were supposed to have it.

Also chapter 30 defined broadband as a minimum 1.5/1.5. Your ADSL doesn't even meet the Chap 30 definition of broadband and we all know that 1.5Mb DSL isn't available on all access lines and T1s don't get installed within 5 days.

So why would Chap 30 even be written into law?

BA at the time was planning FTTP deployment »newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···29607541 and in exchange Chapter 30 offered significant deregulation and bonuses. BA got their Chap 30 deregulation which according to the testamony of well known industry expert Dr. Selwyn »www.econtech.com/library/LLS%20P···2002.pdf BA got billions and billions while not deploying shit. When it finally came to deploying fiber, Verizon chose Texas, not Pennsylvania to see it's first deployments. And even to this day, FTTC isn't available in the deployment rates required by Chap 30.

Now you want to back up your claim that BA now VZ has met their Chapter 30 obligations of 45Mb service on all their access lines? Not even T3 meets the requirements as VZ doesn't service it within the required 5 days, and even VZ themselves aren't stupid enough to say a T3 meets the requirement (they wrongly claim that ADSL does it »www22.verizon.com/about/communit···dex.html despite the lack of universal servicability of synchronous 1.5Mb service that don't meet the original Chap 30 requirements). And of course VZ provides no video services on those lines.

In early 2002 the PA PUC stated
quote:
"...this Commission has a legal obligation to reject Verizon PA’s 2000 Update and require it to submit a new update specifying its plans to satisfy its legal obligation to provide a modernized network with broadband capability of at least 45 Mbps upstream and downstream, to be available within five days from the customer request date.


In 2003 Pennsylvania let Verizon off the hook, letting them keep the billions they got and still no 45Mb service. »Picture Perfect Deal

I eagerly await your data showing VZ even remotely lived up to BA's Chap 30 obligations of sychronous 45Mb service or any evidence to refute the testimony of industry expert Dr. Selwyn.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751007 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:28:31 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20750710 Alky : These people? Now you lump me in with the masses? Thanks pal. I merely make an observation, and you jump all over me. So I didn't have all the facts. Kill me. That does not give you the right to go finger pointing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20750710 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:28:54 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20750181 keyboard5684 : I live in Pennsylvania and Verizon actually had to come through on the deal. My Grandma, actually we call it the farm because the nearest neighbor is a cow... no really is about 5 miles away yet she gets 3 meg DSL!

Now, with that said, I think Verizon came through, by force and in a different way than promised, so quit using that BS.

I have Verizon dry DSL with Vonage VOIP to solve all of the above problems you mentioned. Use your brain and stop bitching because there are ways around everything you are bitching about. I think you have every right to complain but what you are complaining about is simply not a valid problem, therefore, you are just like a crazy man on the corner screaming the end is near without anything to back it up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20750181 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:19:17 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749675 KrK : :uhh:

As usual, your assumptions are 1) all wrong and 2) mean spirited.

It's pretty obvious from your post you just want to attack and feel superior. Thanks, your input is no longer necessary or desired. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749675 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:00:13 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749607 fiberguy : Hmmm.. I said everything's going my way?

I told people to cheer up? I have more than 2 options here?

Amazing you can get that from my post.. re-reading my own, I didn't see it.

It's not about just knowing what's there. You just proved you want to bitch and not solve problems.

I outlined the way you do things in this country to cause change. However, its truly clear you don't want to see change or BE PART of what changes things.

If you, or anyone, thinks that posting disdain here on BBR is going to make change, you're wrong.

See above for the answer. You can't sit back and HOPE it will change.

The "other options" were to take part in BRINGING change.. but again, you're rather spend your time on BBR bitching like the others who think they are making change.

For once, I'd LOVE for people to post what they have done to solve the problems instead of sitting back and saying "I am so helpless"... can ANYONE state what they've done to take part in change?

Seems everytime something is done, it's by seniors.. I wonder why! Maybe they still GET IT!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749607 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:43:53 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749557 KrK :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

The buck doesn't stop with cable, alone. You, and so many others, have options - many just refuse to use them or say they have none.
I stay on top of my options, thank you very much. There are only currrently two real choices for broadband here. Granted, in other parts of the Nation, there may be more, but 2 is pretty average for most places.

Just because you have options doesn't mean you can pronounce everything as fine and dandy for the rest of the country.

You kinda remind me of that old story about the guy who tells everyone to Cheer up--- because everything is going his way.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749557 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:31:46 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749542 KrK : Maybe I should of said hypothetically.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749542 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:28:15 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749523 Dogfather : LOL. Of course I'm a shill for my side. Duh. I shill for the little guy, Joe Taxpayer and Jane Ratepayer who are constantly screwed over by government, cable, telcos, the jerkoffs they bribe and everyone else who abuses their power.

You can go on shilling for Comcast all you want. No one is stopping you (obviously) and you're certainly not the only cable fanboy on DSLR. But don't expect your outrageous claims and endless defense of cable interests to go unanswered. No one here is going to give you are anyone else a free pass to spout endless corporate talking points or viciously attack anyone who dares speak ill of the all-mighty Comcast.

I will continue to slam Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, government, or their fanboy shill spokeholes whenever they spout lies and bullshit, support the lies and bullshit or regurgitate the lies and bullshit.

There is one thing telling about all this. You don't have problems giving me thumbs up when I'm defending Comcast or the cable industry from the cable haters and telco shills. But then you quickly turn and call it harassment when those same satirical guns are trained in the direction of the Coaxial Masters or their many minions. That's called hypocrisy. And you constantly belittle and flame people (the likely cause of so many moderator actions against you) usually while talking out your ass arguing with people way above your pay grade. And you think you're being picked on? Don't flatter yourself. Trust me, no one here gives you a second thought.

If you have a problem with a post or user your only recourse is to refute the post, ignore the post/user and/or use the Hey Mods button.

In the meantime I suggest you get some objectivity, don't post what you can't defend and don't boo hoo it up whenever people call you out for firing up your daily cable talking points. Every single post here is open for comment and critique and when posting patterns emerge, those patterns are open for comment and critique as well.

EDIT - Actually I just gave you a 1 extra thought.

The day before yesterday you called pspcrazy See Profile a "little boy" during one of your typical forum rule violating belittlementfests but it's obviously you who needs to man up. You dish it out constantly and now you're complaining about how you're a poor victim of a vast conspiracy that includes DSLR mods. Interesting that you feel that you should be able to dish it out as much as you want but you yourself should never be challenged.

I thought I would share an old post of yours with the class. I'll leave you with your own words...

»Re: When will the HD quality improve?

said by fiberguy :
You haven't met a smart ass until you've met me....If you're going to come here and post something, that isn't accurate, and that you "know it for true" and your research is a few posts from the internet... well, expect to get the response he did.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749523 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:20:25 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749424 fiberguy : Then.. what else are you doing to change it? Have you shown up to any of your local franchise meetings? How about a city planning meeting? Have you rallied your neighbors to the cause? Have you written your representative?

Have you actually sat down and WROTE a letter.. not email, but an actual pen to paper or typed and mailed letter to the local office?

I'm guessing you do not have DSL available to you? .. and if not, have you done what we did in MN? We mandated that Qwest improved service to more people in the state, even rural areas, when they wanted to get into long distance. We required better service.

You stated that you had no competition. There is nothing stopping phone from competing with cable - have you thought about going after phone using the above methods, or others, to get phone to service you and give you a choice that so many others have?

The buck doesn't stop with cable, alone. You, and so many others, have options - many just refuse to use them or say they have none.

If you pre-judge the outcome and say it will never work, for one you sound like a hana barbara character, and two, you're destined to fail and take what you get.

You will NEVER know until you try it. But, to blame cable for you having no choice it totally misplaced blame. You can't sit back and wait for everything to change on it's own in your favor.

Who gets the most done in this country while being called cooks? Activist.. I guess it takes a cook to make change as they seem to be the only group organized enough to make changes. Funny thing is, they are small groups who speak loud and cause the most conflict. There is something to be said about their actions, huh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749424 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:48:33 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749387 fiberguy : Quack all you want, but you're still a shill to your own side. You go through and pull up selective posts to support your spin, however, you fail to pull the ones where I too don't support Comcast and I too have supported phone in where I feel they've done right.

So, in your quest to point the fingers at others around here, you have failed to support your arguments. One act of dissent doesn't take away that you are such an anti-XXXX extremest.

Besides, when did it become YOUR job to come to this forum and post the every so common "You're a shill" message to anyone that disagrees with you?

EVEN IF I were a shill, which I am not and is NONE of your concern, what the hell does it matter and who made you police of BBR? Last time I checked, you are not a Mod, so STOP ACTING LIKE ONE!

I think you need to take light to the TOS here at BBR.

»/terms.html
"2) harasses another person or advocates such harassment or causes them to be fearful;"

While I am not fearful of you, your constant harassment is getting old!

If you do not like the fact that I do not agree with you and you can't change it, then DO NOT RESPOND TO MY POSTS! Use the ignore button and move on!

Both you and BBR need to start enforcing their own TOS agreement here. I have a right to post my messages and views here in this forum with out someone like you coming behind me and acting like a 4 year old, calling me shill, and other names. I have every right not to have a view that does not agree with yours, no matter what that may be, and I have a right to do so, as do many others, with out being harassed as the way you have been.

Your actions are beyond cute or even funny.. they are down right harassing and belligerent . I'd advise you, and the mods here, to stop this activity immediately.

It is NOT your place to seek out and identify people who may or may not be so-call shills, now is it?

I am making this clean RIGHT NOW.. I am not a paid corporate spokes person, I am not compensated in anyway by ANY communications company, it is not my job OR hobby to defend or make any organization look good or better - PERIOD! You, and ANYONE ELSE who things so, needs to get this through your head. I speak ONLY for myself and my views are my own - NO ONE ELSES!

SO KNOCK IT THE F*&* OFF!

You, and your friends, need to knock it off and abide by the rules here at BBR, INCLUDING the mods who let people like you get away with this kind of behavior which goes against the very TOS that we ALL agree to by using this site. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749387 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:40:38 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748690 Dogfather : Because their service as a whole sucks ass and unlike the rest of their industry, their service rankings are in a free fall. They shouldn't be dropping such large sums on fluff until they improve their service in those areas needing improvement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748690 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:12:55 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748531 Dogfather : It would if you didn't bother to look at my post history which includes supporting civil immunity for the telcos and elimination of all corporate taxes. This is too funny

First I'm all about being an telco shill and always assailing Comcast
»Karl, you have proof that COMCAST published it?
»Re: "He who gets the last laugh.. "

Never having a bad word to say about Verizon
»They promised PA stuff too
»Last mile will kill them
Or AT&T
»Re: Good ruling that slows blackmail by local gov't
»Telcos need to get a clue
»AT&T greed...
»Re: AT&T greed...

And now I'm an anti-corporate shill...
»Rebate Checks + Permanent Tax Cuts
...while being one of the few who sides with civil immunity for the telcos
»So what
»No win scenario for the Telcos

The fanboys will see only what they want to see. They have selective memories.

Meanwhile I'll continue my shilling on behalf of the taxpayers and rate payers.
»Re: So what

You want to side against rate payers and tax payers...more power to ya.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748531 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:15:58 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748350 LeftOfSanity :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby.
Wow, imagine that. The lead tenant in a building had suggestions for its design and the owner listened. The world is spinning off its access!!
Yeah, imagine that...Comcast spending hundreds of millions in subscriber money on their fancy new HQ while their service runs like ass and customer service ranks lower than the IRS.
Why do you speak on their service as a whole?

That would be like me saying their service is fine because I've had it in several different locations in several states and never had any major issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748350 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:19:42 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748278 CalMark :
said by SLD See Profile :

Just remember that Comcast is a monopoly in may of its markets.
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And don't forget, it's also a "government sponsored" monopoly and our tax dollars indirectly support that model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748278 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:46:33 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748230 LeftOfSanity : So does that make you and anti-corporation shill? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748230 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:26:51 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747956 KrK : When you exist in a market with very limited competition or basic non-competition you can spend as much money as you like on fancy luxuries and just increase the price to your subscribers to cover whatever expenses you like.... you also can get away with shoddier service and customer service due to the lack of options for the customers.

That's the basic point.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747956 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:52:56 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747952 KrK :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

Wow, imagine that. The lead tenant in a building had suggestions for its design and the owner listened. The world is spinning off its access!!
Deliberately missing the point...? The point is: No, it was not put in by the building owner to comply with zoning... Yes, it was put in by Comcast, at their own expense.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747952 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:48:16 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747950 KrK :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

or those that continue to do business with them no matter WHAT the reason.
YEAH!! I'll just switch to one of those other broadband providers!!

Oh wait.... there isn't one. Guess I'm stuck with the crap, or the nothing. Guess what. That entitles you to bitch about the crap.

Your theory would work if there was actually a real competitive market.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747950 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:46:19 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747714 Dogfather : No guy. Comcast's customer service is in decline (to the point they're rated lower than the IRS) and they're constantly raising prices. it's a valid bitch to protest these issues when they're wasting hundreds of millions on fluff. It's also valid when they're looking kill the ownership cap and acquire new cable systems, bringing their horrid service to new areas (like they did at my Inland Empire home where they bought ATTB and ran it into the ground).

Reverse the download spiral of customer service, slow the rate of the price increases to something even remotely reflecting inflation and THEN waste some dough on the fluff.

And in a lot of markets, Comcast has no competitor, especially in low latency data services. In others where there is a new competitor, Comcast engages in illegal predatory pricing to run them out of business. »Comcast Vs. Utopia »'Discounted' Competition

But enough of this. The cable fanboys will defend everything Comcast does no matter what just as telco fanboys defend everything the telcos do no matter what. Pointing out the obvious flaws in either industry doesn't slow down their regurgitation of corporate talking points.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747714 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:03:25 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747703 battleop : "I was a customer"

So what do you care? I think you are confusing a "Shareholder" and a "Customer" If you were a shareholder then you might have a valid complaint. As a customer you can take your money else where if you don't like how they spend the money they make off of you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747703 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:55:36 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747606 Dogfather : There's no rules. Someone who CONSTANTLY kisses the ass of any particular business no matter what they do is a shill.

And yeah, I'm safe in saying that Comcast engaging in predatory pricing in inexcusable and Verizon stealing $2B from Pennsylvania taxpayers in inexcusable. I also say that Comcast wasting hundreds of millions on their ivory tower while their customer service sinks below that of the Internal Revenue Service is inexcusable. I say charging $7.50 for caller ID and $1.50 to stay out of the phone book, 'you didn't use enough long distance fees' and converting the USF into regulatory recover fees are all inexcusable.

The shills defend their price increases. The shills defend their horrid customer service ratings. They defend the wasting of money. They defend their draconian network management policies. Hell, they defend charging $1.50 to keep yer name out of the phone book. Meanwhile they CONSTANTLY assail competitors, no matter what good they do.

You can disagree with some of these assertions, of course. But when you CONSTANTLY side with the telcos or CONSTANTLY side with cable, or CONSTANTLY side with big business...you're a shill. No business, no industry, no government, no party, no anything is perfect however these various fanboy shills rarely if ever find faults in anything their heroes do.

They're nothing but spokesholes for their coaxial or twisted pair masters. If we wanted talking points, we can get those at corporate websites.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747606 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:01:33 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747590 espaeth :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Logic doesn't, but a complete lack of objectivity and constantly excusing the inexcusable do.
Just so I understand the rules, you're making the sole determination what does and doesn't fall into the category of 'inexcusable', and anybody else who has a differing opinion is either wrong or a corporate shill (or both)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747590 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:51:50 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747525 Dogfather :
said by maxpower See Profile :

Why does the price of gas keep going up? I don't see any HD tvs at the local Shell or Hess. What are they spending all of MY money on?
Given the record profits of the oil giants, that is a very good question.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747525 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:16:31 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747517 Dogfather :
said by maxpower See Profile :

Since when does being logical make you a shill?
Logic doesn't, but a complete lack of objectivity and constantly excusing the inexcusable do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747517 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:11:32 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747515 Dogfather :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

You throw around the charge of "shill" very freely. Perhaps a look in the mirror is in order since as a Verizon Fios customer your vehemence against Comcast has made you suspect as a Verizon shill.
More of TK's selective memory. Funny, I seem to recall assailing Verizon for stealing $2B from Pennsylvania taxpayers while you and the other corporate fanboys defended them.

»They promised PA stuff too

Oops, it seems you missing facts isn't limited to the articles you quote.

And Fiberguy who likes to make similar accusations also has a similar selective memory. »Karl, you have proof that COMCAST published it? Including this post for which he gave me a thumbs-up »Re: Karl, you have proof that COMCAST published it?

So much for the Skeedatl is a shill theory.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747515 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:10:33 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20747323 GOLFnSUN :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

It's the subscribers' money that is endlessly wasted while Comcast takes endless price increases crying poverty over ABC.

With Comcast wasting so much money it's no wonder they're rated lower than the IRS.

What else does Brian Roberts have to say, all-mighty cable spokehole? Go cash that Comcast check and download your next round of Brian's talking points and we can all find out.
You throw around the charge of "shill" very freely. Perhaps a look in the mirror is in order since as a Verizon Fios customer your vehemence against Comcast has made you suspect as a Verizon shill.
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With Comcast wasting so much money it's no wonder they're rated lower than the IRS.

What else does Brian Roberts have to say, all-mighty cable spokehole? Go cash that Comcast check and download your next round of Brian's talking points and we can all find out.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746921 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:40:40 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746913 Dogfather : Wrong again sport. I was a customer of Comcrap between ATTB and Time Warner. I have first hand experience with their 2X a year 3X inflation price increases, nastygrams for violating their phantom caps and the ever cool 30% "how dare you not have our crap CATV" penalty.

It is the subscribers money. The subscribers pay and Comcast comes back telling them they must take increases because of this or that. Meanwhile as service gets worse and worse and prices get higher and higher, they build their ivory tower with hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars.

If Comcast and their shills want to avoid criticism, they could stop wasting hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars on bullshit and start providing decent service.

Oh, and yeah, the money I make from my business is my customers' money. In exchange for the sums they pay, they expect and get the best product and best service in my industry. And DAMN STRAIGHT if my customer service rankings were below that of the IRS, I would be putting THEIR hard paid money into improving service and quality, not a new HD screen for the lobby and fancy desk for my office.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746913 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:38:24 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746909 fiberguy : Repeat after me:

"It's NOT MY MONEY!"

You need to remove the implication that it's "subscribers" money.. 'cause it ain't! I suppose the money you make at work belongs to your employer and with your logic applied, they should be able to tell you how to spend it too.

Really, you're not even a subscriber and you're spending an awful lot of time on something that doesn't concern you.

Further, just becuase I don't, again, agree with you and your constant whining, complaining and moaning, doesn't mean I'm a shill. I could care less if this was Comcast, Best Buy, Verizon, or WHO EVER THE HELL purchased this screen.. it has NOTHING to do with WHO.. it's the WHAT.. so you can shove your SHILL up your... $#*Q&*.

All you've done today, like others, it blathered about how you are being wronged and calling anyone who disagrees with you a shill.

SHILL THIS!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746909 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:37:25 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746897 fiberguy : You have a VERY strange concept of who's money it is. You imply that the "subscribers" have any say over the money because it's "their" money, as in the subscribers. Need a lesson on economics? Comcast set a price for a product, THOSE OF US who live in comcast territory, unlike SOME around here, agree to pay it. The money changes hand. The SUBSCRIBER got the service, the company keeps the money. See? easy.

Some how you think that the subscribers are entitled to how the revenue of comcast is spent after their bills are paid. ABSURD! The only say a subscriber has is to cancel their service and not be a part of the process.

This is no different than you having any say against the way an Albertsons or Safeway spends their money after you buy groceries, or how Best Buy spends their money.

If you don't like it, then move along - it's not your place to say, NOR judge! You're not even a subscriber! I think you like to bitch, just to bitch!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746897 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:34:26 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746885 Dogfather :
said by Fiberguy :
SHUT UP YOU BLOW HARD!...
assorted shilling clipped


Another round of chocolate starfish licking of cable from the resident cable shills who like the drones they are spout Roberts' talking points on command.

Fine, let them drop hundreds of millions of hard paid subscriber dollars on their glass tower, video walls and mahogany desks but don't stand there on your shill box telling us how 2x a year 3X inflation price increases and overages fees are necessary to keep the networks up or how all these price increases on video are because of so-called channel extortionists like ABC. It's all lies and bullshit.

F Brian 'Leased BMW' Roberts and his shit service along with their barnacle shills attached firmly to his ass.

With this kind of wasteful spending taking priority at Comcast, it's certainly no wonder people rate the IRS higher in satisfaction than ever worsening Comcrap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746885 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:30:37 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746849 fiberguy : not worth it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746849 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:15:22 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746709 Dogfather : Moving is extremely expensive. They're spending $250M on furnishings alone for this new HQ...and at a premium lease rate I seriously doubt this is going to be cheaper overall. The leases in the new HQ are in the high $30's while the rest of the town even for full service Class A buildings is in the $20's.

Roberts wanted his trophy and the subscribers bought him one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746709 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:30:46 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746684 GOLFnSUN :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Yeah, imagine that...Comcast spending hundreds of millions in subscriber money on their fancy new HQ while their service runs like ass and customer service ranks lower than the IRS.
By consolidating all their workers from multiple buildings and multiple leases in to one building, I heard that they are actually paying less per year under the new lease starting next year after everyone is moved in.
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby.
Wow, imagine that. The lead tenant in a building had suggestions for its design and the owner listened. The world is spinning off its access!!
Yeah, imagine that...Comcast spending hundreds of millions in subscriber money on their fancy new HQ while their service runs like ass and customer service ranks lower than the IRS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746663 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:20:50 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746660 Dogfather : Depends on the terms of the lease and whether the wall is considered a permanent installation. It certainly doesn't have to belong to the building owner just as the cafeteria may not if it's not a "permanent installation".

Comcast and Liberty call it a "gift" to the city, so who knows what the actual terms of the lease are. The telling tale would be who pays to fix it. When you're spending $250M on desks and chairs, another $22M for a giant TV isn't beyond the wasteful capacity of Comcast.

But there is no doubt it was Comcast's creation, and it's subscriber money (at nearly $40/ft) that is paying for this glass tower for Roberts and his cronies.

My lease (of course I'm not leasing 1M sqft) wouldn't be that different. Build to suit is common, but it is I who pay for these improvements outright or negotiate it as part of the lease (so I'm still paying, but just paying over time). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746660 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:19:56 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746658 GOLFnSUN :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby.
Wow, imagine that. The lead tenant in a building had suggestions for its design and the owner listened. The world is spinning off its access!!
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Let me explain reality - when prices of services go up to providers, they raise them to the consumer. It's that simple. Some companies chose to take a hit and not raise, Cable and other businesses, do not.

I mean... OMG.. The Comcast building has an HD screen in their HQ building - SO DO MANY OF THE LOBBIES! Big deal!

What's even worse, is that anytime comcast does anything, the SAME people come here and fester about anything they can throw on their screens. Really.. it's old. How about a constructive conversation?

Further, no one here has bothered to read the fact that it's the building's owner that put the screen up as required by law.

And your monopoly argument is so 1980s.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746657 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:19:28 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746653 GOLFnSUN :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

The $22M was paid by Comcast »dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_···.php?p=7 as part of their 15.5 year 90% lease of the building.
So the video wall belongs to the building owner and is leasing it to Comcast. Just like the cafeteria, offices, & bathrooms.
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I don't know what's worse.. a company that doesn't produce what they sell, as some people claim, or those that continue to do business with them no matter WHAT the reason. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746645 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:15:53 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746623 Dogfather : That's what happens when you pony up guaranteed hundreds of millions in subscriber dough. According to real estate articles, leases in the Comcast Center are in the high $30/ft range and they're leasing over 1M sqft.

quote:
Comcast Center's annual per-square-foot rents are in the high $30s, which has allowed rents at other buildings in the mid-$20s to creep upward, Gattuso said.

»www.selectgreaterphiladelphia.co···2207.pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746623 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:08:41 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746575 KrK : It's fun to be the King, eh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746575 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:56:31 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746515 Dogfather : TK is wrong. The video wall has ZERO to do with the art compliance. The very article he quoted states as much. According to the company that developed by video programming for the wall, it was Brian Roberts himself that conceived the wall and had it built in the lobby. »www.4evergroup.org/news_items/08···000.html just as he insisted on the change from a stone exterior to a glass exterior.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746515 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:36:30 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746506 Dogfather : More like when you're SHILLING for Comcast, the facts don't matter.

TK engaged in a bit of selective quoting.

quote:
However, in a 2006 letter to the city Art Commission, he had indicated that the company was required to spend at least $905,000, and that the fountain ($950,000) and the Borofsky sculpture ($1.6 million) would surpass that amount. The video wall was not included in the proposal, presumably because it wasn't needed to satisfy the zoning code, but perhaps also because keeping that project out of the official public-art domain allowed Liberty more flexibility in how it might be used in the future.

The Video Wall was not a gov't mandated art anything. It's was Brian "BMW" Robert's idea.

»broadcastengineering.com/news/co···es-0624/

quote:
The lobby installation was conceived by Comcast chairman and CEO Brian Roberts as a gift to the people of Philadelphia.


The $22M was paid by Comcast »dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_···.php?p=7 as part of their 15.5 year 90% lease of the building. Comcast also paid $250M for furnishings. Roberts thought it up and like the switch from stone to glass, insisted on it's installation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746506 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:33:10 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746386 GOLFnSUN :
said by KrK See Profile :

Does that mean under that zoning code I could buy a bunch of music and then play it throughout the building as "Art"? :D
If you paid the copyright holders their cut you could. And don't forget the city would want you to pay for an entertainment license.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

TK, Stop trying to use logic here with these people, it doesn't apply. They don't think that any business should make a profit, they don't think that these profits should be able to spent as they see fit
Not at all, they just feel violated when they are told rates must be raised to keep the company afloat, and then the company is making huge profits after this obvious lie.

Also, a company operating in a free, open, competitive market making unlimited profit is entirely different from one that operates essentially as a monopoly with government blessing.

Edit: I have no problem with anyone making an HONEST profit, but so much profit these days is DISHONEST, earned through lying and market manipulation/control.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746372 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:57:59 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746224 SLD : Why should they? Comcast isn't exactly forthcoming with facts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746224 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:08:04 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746204 fiberguy : TK, Stop trying to use logic here with these people, it doesn't apply. They don't think that any business should make a profit, they don't think that these profits should be able to spent as they see fit - regardless of the arts mandate which is something that happens nationwide on all new structures with a certain price tag. They don't get it.

They believe because they purchase a service that it's a democracy how the profits are to be spent. I suppose, however, if that's how they want it, then maybe we should all be able to tell private people how to spend their earnings too. Maybe people shouldn't spend so much money on worthless cell phones, or eating out. Maybe they shouldn't waste it on frivolous things like vacations and trips. Maybe they should spend it on furthering their education and getting better jobs so they don't worry as much about spending their money they way they see fit.

When I saw this thread and before I entered it, I KNEW it would be this tone, OR, was waiting for people to ask if they were getting the HD feed from DirecTV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746204 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:03:59 EDT Re: What a massive waste http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20746122 LeftOfSanity :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

said by Alky See Profile :

Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service?
It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building.

Read the details here:
»www.philly.com/philly/entertainm···ral.html
To comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden.
Haven't you learned that when it come to Comcast, the facts don't matter? :uhh:
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said by Alky See Profile :

Too bad that companies that have more money than they know what to do with would waste that money on something like that.
Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service?
It wasn't done by Comcast. It was done by the building owner as part of government MANDATED art being part of all new office buildings in Philadelphia. Comcast merely LEASES space in the building.

Read the details here:
»www.philly.com/philly/entertainm···ral.html
To comply with a 1991 city zoning code that regulates high-rise buildings, Liberty was obliged to include public art in the $495 million construction budget. The developer provided three projects - an outdoor fountain, the computer-programmed video display behind the entrance desk, and a seven-story sculptural installation by Jonathan Borofsky in the all-glass entrance atrium, which Liberty calls the Winter Garden.
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Wouldn't that money be better spent on upgrading their sub-par customer service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20745869 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:30:44 EDT