Topic 'Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood?' in forum 'Home Improvement'

Topic 'Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood?' in forum 'Home Improvement' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20746794 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:05:45 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:05:45 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20885407
For the pre-finished stuff that I put down, it's been acclimating for years :D (my poor wife), so I put it down whenever I feel like it.

I've put in about a total of 2000 sf of nail down in my own house and a friend's and it's done very well (knock on wood). I've also done about 1000 sf of floating click together. I think that's much harder than the nail down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20885407 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:51:53 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20885352 said by Goober:

I think my previous links would be very helpful for a person to visit.

The contractor should ideally have a moisture meter to measure moisture of the wood, the subfloor, etc. The home should be brought to a humidity level of about 40%.

The wood should be acclimated prior to installation.

Underlayment choices must be made correctly in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations.

Fail to do any of the above and your floor buckles or the finish goes bad, the manufacturer warranty will be void.

In addition to the above, buy the right tools and buy good quality wood (American or Canadian milled is the best. Stay away from the cheap Chinese crap. That stuff will be more heartache than it's worth.).

All of this is really not that hard. It just takes time and attention to detail if you want good results.
I'm NOT disagreeing with anything you posted, I just wanted to point out that regardless of where you are in the US, the winter is generally the lowest humidity of the year, and the Summer months are the highest.

The OP is in NC, so he has a higher variance in humidity during the year, like myself. I purposely choose July to install my flooring, so that it would be at its maximum expansion due to heat and humidity. Home Depot and Lowes tried to get me to NOT use my choice of engineered hardwood, because they had a lot of complaints due to warping in the summer. My floor has been in for a few years now and I have had NO warping due to humidity.

I had the flooring delivered in June and left it in my garage to get acclimated to the worst possible heat and humidity before I installed it.

I loved doing my install of the nail-down floor, but be aware how much work is required and how it is done BEFORE you attempt....

Good luck! :D
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The contractor should ideally have a moisture meter to measure moisture of the wood, the subfloor, etc. The home should be brought to a humidity level of about 40%.

The wood should be acclimated prior to installation.

Underlayment choices must be made correctly in accordance with the manufacturer's recommendations.

Fail to do any of the above and your floor buckles or the finish goes bad, the manufacturer warranty will be void.

In addition to the above, buy the right tools and buy good quality wood (American or Canadian milled is the best. Stay away from the cheap Chinese crap. That stuff will be more heartache than it's worth.).

All of this is really not that hard. It just takes time and attention to detail if you want good results.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20885283 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:29:31 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20885088
The engineered flooring was a bastard to install, but I love the results, every piece is hammered together, and floats over the slab underneath.

I also installed a pre-finished oak floor in the kitchen I redid, and I did the nail down type, this was a lot of work in preparation, but I loved doing the install, very easy to work with.

If you have it installed, INSIST that the contractor use the proper products for installation and underlayment, some try to cut corners on these to increase profits, usually they tell you you don't need them, or they have a cheaper alternative. The other thing to remember is that since you are planning to do this in the winter, the wood will have a lower moisture content then and WILL swell due to heat and humidity in the summer months, insists on using the MAXIMUM recommended spacing for expansion recommended by the manufacturer....
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said by acid343211:

That's because they would be out of business if you would do the work yourself,

What? LL supplies wood. Contractors can make money on installs. They don't necessarily make a ton of profit on wood. I sourced the wood and supplies myself that the contractors then put down in my own home in several rooms.

Error in my post was talking more about the Contractors, thanks for pointing that out :)
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That's because they would be out of business if you would do the work yourself,
What? LL supplies wood. Contractors can make money on installs. They don't necessarily make a ton of profit on wood. I sourced the wood and supplies myself that the contractors then put down in my own home in several rooms.

Maybe I'm missing your point.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20884669 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:45:09 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20884443 said by Goober:

said by acid343211:

said by Jtmo:

»www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp

Best place,

I think you'll get plenty of arguments about that from the pros.

That's because they would be out of business if you would do the work yourself,
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said by Jtmo:

»www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp

Best place,
I think you'll get plenty of arguments about that from the pros.

Head over to »hardwoodinstaller.com and the forums there »www.hardwoodflooringtalk.com/index.htm and do a search. The guys commenting have been in the flooring business for decades.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20882788 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:07:29 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20881772 said by Jtmo:

»www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp
Best place,
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One word of warning. Once you install the floor you will have this beautiful, pristine hardwood floor. The first few times it takes some damage (and it will) you heart will drop. Eventually it just becomes floor character.
Darn tooting. And the first scratch comes awfully quick. But you get enough of them that they all blend together. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20878884 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:47:41 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869921
Engineered hardwood flooring isn't necessarily a cheaper alternative than solid hardwood. The benefit to using it is it is dimensionally more stable. The underlying layers of the plywood are arranged with their grains perpendicular to each other. For the humidity sensitive species of wood I wanted I had to go engineered because of the climate I live in. I had to do a glue down method over concrete and the glue almost cost as much as the flooring did. It ran over $300 per 5 gallon bucket.

I found a scrap board that had fallen behind some bushes when I had done the install. It was still in perfect shape after being in the weather (heat, bugs, standing water, UV) for a few years. No warping or delaminating.

A good engineered hardwood can be resurfaced 2-3 times. There is even a limit to hardwood refinishing as you can't sand below the tongue and groove anyway.

There is inferior engineered hardwood which uses a paper thin top layer. Stay away from that stuff.

You can get either type of hardwood flooring pre-finished. It's usually an aluminum oxide finish. There is also a titanium dioxide finish (much better) but it's a bit more expensive and harder to find. The aluminum oxide scratches a bit easier than the titanium and leaves a white mark behind. The white scratch marks seem to go away though.

One word of warning. Once you install the floor you will have this beautiful, pristine hardwood floor. The first few times it takes some damage (and it will) you heart will drop. Eventually it just becomes floor character. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869921 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:56:06 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869400 --
I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me too....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869400 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:12:36 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869143
Anyway, report back with pictures and status updates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869143 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:29:45 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869119 said by Goober:

What did you end up going with?
Nothing yet. This is for a winter project. Just doing research right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20869119 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:25:58 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20867954 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20867954 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:51:22 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20752497
Here's a link to some click together solid and engineered. I prefer the look of these product much more than laminate.

»www.hoskinghardwood.com/Hardwood···ing.aspx

I've ordered from these guys before. They are very good in service and price.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20752497 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:06:45 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20751145 said by robbin:

Laminate and hardwood are two separate species. Basically a laminate floor is a Formica floor.Even then, there are different qualities of laminate. Some are glorified particle board with little more then a piece of glued on paper on top with a thin varnish on top of that. This is what you are going to be getting for the $.89/sq ft at the big box stores. Premium laminates are going to be made from a more composite material. Some can be exposed to more moisture then what the particle board versions can without warping/swelling and are very wear resistant.

There are also a few different methods for them to fasten to one another. Some are a basic tongue and grove like that need to be glued together and just tap into place. Others you assemble and entire row end to end, and then tip the entire row up and attach to the previous road. If you are doing long spans though like what your hallway/family room would be, this can be tricky without a few extra people. There are others also that are a combination and each piece gets attached by itself (or maybe just by slightly lifting the previous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20751145 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:53:33 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750950 --
"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750950 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:18:05 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750901 said by Greg_Z:

Do you have a Lumber Liquidators near you, or Habitat for Humanity Store?

»www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp
Yep. Definitely a Lumber Liquidators and we have something called a Habitat for Humanity "Re-store".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750901 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:07:39 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750850
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I know the look I'm after, but I don't know what the product used was. I know it wasn't real "nailed down" hardwood though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750743 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:36:40 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750680 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750680 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:22:44 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750544 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750544 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:44:57 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750253 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750253 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:33:48 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750194
Any brands that are known to be high quality that I'd find at Lowe's or Home Depot?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20750194 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:22:14 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20747347 www.lumberliquidators.com/home.jsp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20747347 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:00:45 EDT Re: Price for Tongue and Groove Hardwood? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Price-for-Tongue-and-Groove-Hardwood-20747092 said by Matt:

My girl and I want to pull up our carpet and put down tongue and groove hardwood. We want to do it in the living room, hallway, and dining room.

If we do it ourselves, using high quality flooring, what are we looking at with regard to price?
Just as LBDSL stated it depends what type of wood, quality, prefinished or unfinished wood
The best is to take the measurements and go have a estimate done on the amout of wood and trimming for the doorways.
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If we do it ourselves, using high quality flooring, what are we looking at with regard to price?

Areas in Red

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