Re: Need same law in U.S. as well in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20749086 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:42:16 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:42:16 EDT Re: Need same law in U.S. as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756700 NormanS :
said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

The U.S. needs a similar law so that ISPs are forced to dump those who repeatedly get caught UPLOADING copyrighted material. It is the ISPs who know what account is tied to what IP address and are in the only position to identify the abusers.
Have you ever been wrongfully accused of a malicious act? Any law requiring imposition of sanctions (i.e., cutting off Internet access) should also require a standard of proof akin to, "beyond a reasonable doubt". As contrasted with merely recovering damage for a tort.

The MPAA/RIAA has a poor track record for presentation of accurate data in their allegations.
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said by myosh See Profile :

LOL! Obviously, you didn't see the :D at the end of my post. I guess my attempt at sarcasm failed. Oh well.

But seriously, you *are* a shill aren't you? OK, OK, I won't say it anymore. :D :D :D

Have a nice day!
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But seriously, you *are* a shill aren't you? OK, OK, I won't say it anymore. :D :D :D

Have a nice day!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754802 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:36:08 EDT Re: say... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754775 GOLFnSUN :
said by myosh See Profile :

So I guess that means you are an RIAA/MPAA shill? :D
No. I'm not.

Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:

"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.

Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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said by GOLFnSUN See Profile :

The U.S. needs a similar law so that ISPs are forced to dump those who repeatedly get caught UPLOADING copyrighted material. It is the ISPs who know what account is tied to what IP address and are in the only position to identify the abusers.

And ignorance should not be an excuse for those households caught. No "my grandchildren or children did it". No "I thought I was only downloading and didn't know P2P uploaded as well". No "But I need it for my job" or other lame excuses. You get caught, you get disconnected.

And those caught should have their name & address added to a database so that other ISPs won't accept an account from them.
I agree the US needs a law, But getting Congress to act may take a while. And to others out there I don't work for anybody in the RIAA, MPAA or otherwise, Theft is Theft that's all, Just cause You can download something possibly stolen doesn't mean one should.
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

If so, then by all logical definition, you ARE a shill.

Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:

"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It's a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.

Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."
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The term is applied metaphorically to commentators who have vested interests in or associations with parties in a controversial issue. Usually this takes the form of pretending to be offering news when in fact they are simply repeating "talking points" offered by a corporate benefactor.

Do you deny the fact that you get income from **ASSASS members? Do you deny the fact that ALL your posts are pro **ASSASS supporing?

If so, then by all logical definition, you ARE a shill.

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Losses due to piracy my ass; they are losing because they are publishing stuff which isn't worth shit.
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said by cornelius785 See Profile :

are you a paid shill for the MPAA or RIAA?
Every time the accusation of industry shill is trotted out, this will be the reply:

"This mode of reasoning is a logical fallacy known as ad hominem: attacking the person presenting the argument, instead of pointing out a flaw in their actual argument. It’s a fallacy because even if the criticism of the person is true, his argument may still be valid. You can only tell if the argument is valid by examining the actual argument to see if it is actually valid.

Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It’s a substitute for thinking. It’s also 100% flawed reasoning: you don’t arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."

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P2P isnt causing them any losses that could be noticed, making absolute shit that nobody wants to see/hear is.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749019 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:57:25 EDT Re: Need same law in U.S. as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749010 anon : "There ought to be a law!!!"
---famous cry for a more collectivist-totalitarian society. Save it for Europe. America was based on Individual Rights and is on a different track. And we can still bring it back on track, with a revival of the founder's principals.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749010 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:54:56 EDT Need same law in U.S. as well http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748971 GOLFnSUN : The U.S. needs a similar law so that ISPs are forced to dump those who repeatedly get caught UPLOADING copyrighted material. It is the ISPs who know what account is tied to what IP address and are in the only position to identify the abusers.

And ignorance should not be an excuse for those households caught. No "my grandchildren or children did it". No "I thought I was only downloading and didn't know P2P uploaded as well". No "But I need it for my job" or other lame excuses. You get caught, you get disconnected.

And those caught should have their name & address added to a database so that other ISPs won't accept an account from them.
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