Re: How to defeat the throttle in Bell Canada http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20756289 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:02:04 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:02:04 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22740694 crumbworks :
said by davey6693 See Profile :

Under "Connection":
use 1723 tcp listen port, 50 udp listen port (make sure you forward port 50 on your router, it was not forwarded by default on mine, but 1723 was). If you do make a router change, reset the router and your modem to push the changes through.

On "transport encrytion": Turn on encrypted transport, using RC4 encryption and only enable the "allow" checkbox for outgoing connections.
Yeah!!!

I just did this with my Vuze/router (although not on a Mac) ...either way, it worked. I went from 30 KB/s per direction up to at least 300. Wonderful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22740694 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:30:52 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22700287 anon :
That doc use to work for high bandwidth users
It did and still does, with one additional bit of finesse when you get re-throttled. The answer is in my previous post. Works every time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22700287 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:18:08 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22697028 anon : That doc use to work for high bandwidth users and so did the other thing I posted about. For some reason, it doesnt seem to be working as i'm on it right now. [its in my signature]

The low bandwith users don't seem to be recapped as I has tried it on my cousin's line and its fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22697028 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:05:07 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22687806 anon : When re-throttled, just renew downloaded copy of the p.v. doc and read it. Your answer is there and I would point you to the necessary part, but no time since I gotta go eat my dinner. Yum - French Canadian pea soup!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22687806 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:12:39 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677395 anon : The instructions in the technical brief on the pervice website worked for me. (»pervices.com/index.php)

I was getting 50KB/s speeds. After making the changes, my download speeds went up to 100KB/s + which is still crap but better than it was before.

I opened up port 1723 and configured all the others suggested in the doc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22677395 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:31:30 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665363 anon : scratch that last bit - it is being monitored, but the 1st bit remains the same from previous]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665363 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:40:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665100 anon : holy s*** monkeys! Guys, use ultra vpn as previously stated. My speeds are not monitored because I opened up to the matrix (uhh...) open source vpn

LK]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665100 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:10:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665073 anon : It seems that this method no longer works unless your okay with 30KB/s speeds. Was fine 2 months ago... but not no more :( i would use a sharing program had it not been the fastest way to mask a virus (no hash verification for original files)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22665073 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:29:15 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22664576 davey6693 : loa, I've got this going on Vuze on a Mac.

Under "Connection":
use 1723 tcp listen port, 50 udp listen port (make sure you forward port 50 on your router, it was not forwarded by default on mine, but 1723 was). If you do make a router change, reset the router and your modem to push the changes through.

On "transport encrytion": Turn on encrypted transport, using RC4 encryption and only enable the "allow" checkbox for outgoing connections.

28 kbps before, now it is topping out at 320 kbps!! Nice work guys, thanks a millon. And FU Bell - I'm not paying 50 a month for an "always fast" service that isn't always fast.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22664576 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:43:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648679 loa : Thanks for the link and app guys, but I'm on a Mac and I can't find the equivalent...

Loa]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22648679 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:52:25 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647022 anon : Well 60kb/s is better than that crap before. I'm getting about 145kb/s download which is pretty good IMO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22647022 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:54:24 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646981 anon : Try ultravpn it works well with xp, not sure about vista or windows 7.

»https://www.ultravpn.fr/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646981 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:44:31 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646903 anon : Try using ultravpn it is free. It should work and it's easy to use. Not sure if works for vista or windows 7. I have tried it with xp and it works great.

//www.ultravpn.fr/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646903 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:32:49 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646200 loa : Well, 16:30 arrived and my p2p speeds dropped to 60kb/s.

I got 6 very well and very large torrents running: spent the day at maximum connection speed...

If anyone has any advice, I sure would like to hear it!

Loa]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22646200 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:55:20 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644235 loa : Thanks Crimsondarkn, I'll give port 500 a try tonight, but I'm pretty sure I tried it yesterday night.

Loa]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22644235 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:31:36 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642708 anon : 1723 port failed.

Tried 500 port. works like a charm. Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642708 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:23:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642700 anon : I've also tried the method and still being capped. Anyone else have luck? Did they make any changes to cap this issue or something?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642700 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:22:26 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642619 loa : Hello,

First post here (long time lurker though).

Sorry to revive this oldish thread, but you guys are the only resource I can trust on this issue.

I followed the pdf's instructions to the letter on uTorrent (for Mac, but all the prefs are there), but I can't manage to bypass the throttle. Port is 1723 (tried the others from the pdf too), no randomization, restarted the modem and got a new address, no DHT.

No joy... still at around 28KB/s.

Has anything changed since May the 16th?

Thx,

Loa]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22642619 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:01:10 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399170 pat_lc2000 : So they are just throttling torrents down right, as my other sharing programs don't seem to have any problems with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399170 Sat, 16 May 2009 17:06:08 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22361929 anon : Just got home from school and stuck with Bell again. Luckily I stumbled across this little miracle and now have legit speeds. Thanks guys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22361929 Fri, 08 May 2009 23:11:18 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22360445 anon : For those asking for Azureus (Vuze) instructions - try the following link (using 1723 as your incoming listen port options-->connection):
»wiki.vuze.com/index.php/Avoid_tr···_shaping

I'm in Windsor, Ontario with an ISP using Bell's lines and was getting throttled to 20kb/s at 4:30pm each day. After implementing these changes I'm back to saturating my connection (as at 5:02pm)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22360445 Fri, 08 May 2009 17:02:16 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22359847 CBWPowder8 : This method and pretty much any other that I/you may be able to find will not work all the time or forever. Evey method I have tried so far has had limited success. Certain times of the day I am still throttled to 30kb/s and other times it blazes at 400kb/s. I'm pretty sure it is throttling all port/packets depending on network load. Can't confirm this but thats what it looks like to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22359847 Fri, 08 May 2009 15:05:18 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22355597 Eclipse7 : sorry for the triple post, but after being throttled down to 60kb/s at 4.30, at 6 they throttled me down to 30kb/s. this is seriously pissing me off. does anyone know what's wrong? i did the moethod, and after 2 hours of unthrottled speeds it look slike they got me again.
can someone please help me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22355597 Thu, 07 May 2009 18:26:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22355252 Eclipse7 : weird. after using this method and getting over 400kb/s while downloading 20 files at the same time, the speed took a MASSIVE plunge and went from 400+ to max 60. this happened at 4.30 pm, and now i am limited to 60kb/s, and i didn't change any settings or anything. am i being throttled again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22355252 Thu, 07 May 2009 17:07:02 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22354322 Eclipse7 : This method works after all! :D
First time I tried it didn't work, so I started all over again and now i get over 600kb/s...

Screw off Bell!

proof ---> »i39.tinypic.com/2rdjfwm.jpg]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22354322 Thu, 07 May 2009 14:05:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345221 anon : Plain and simply put, this works.

For those that it doesn't work for, go back to step one, ALL settings must be correct, not just your port setting of 1723.

there have been quite a few saying 'my port 1732 or port 1753 doesn't work!' VPN is 1723, not 1732 nor 1753, . Any UPNP or port randomizing will nullify the effect.

Bell simply cannot and will not invest the resources to crack and monitor VPN encrypted tunnels, regardless of legality. They're a bunch of cheap bastards, we all know that, so do you really believe they have an 'Echelon' level infrastructure capable of cracking thousands of encrypted VPN tunnels every second?

BTW, doing this doesn't mean you are automatically going to run maxxed out at peak bandwidth. Like anything else on the internet, your bandwidth is the result of MANY factors, slow computers/servers, slow routers, slow backbones, and much much more..

{edited for trolling/flaming - mod}]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22345221 Tue, 05 May 2009 20:50:30 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22334438 anon : Work perfectly. First I was a bit sceptic (this was realeased some time ago)

Set port to 1723.
Disabled DHT

Waited... 30 second... from 30kb/s to 300kb/s (and getting faster!)

THANKS !

What a great feeling to know that this ******** company can just go **** itself.

Next step : Get rid of my Bell cellphone contract (20$ by remaining month to cancel... tose f**** a*******)

Have a nice day ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22334438 Sun, 03 May 2009 20:32:00 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22309669 Eclipse7 : I recently switched from Rogers to Bell (not my decision.)
I read that Rogers also throttle speeds, but I was always able to download torrents at 700-800 kb/s with Rogers.
Bell clearly throttle speeds, the most i can get is 30 kb/s, sometimes 50 kb/s.
I tried the method suggested here, chose 1723 as the port, forwarded it (i get green checkmark in utorrent), unchecked the boxes and set protocol encryption to "forced", but it doesn't seem to work - i`m downloading 2 highly seeded movies at 30 kb/s combined.

can anyone help me?

thanks :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22309669 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:36:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22054942 Tl Chris : I have utorrent 1.8.2 , can someone guide me with the setting, i forward the port 1723 and when i test it all is good. Where i get confused is the UDP port??? where do i asign it, what is the value? is it 50 or 500? Also when people say to reboot modem, do i have to rebbot modem and router ? Thanks any guidance will be appreciate.

Christian]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22054942 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:15:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21836858 anon : Anyone having trouble with the 2wire 2701HG-G modem?

I did everything in utorrent and port forwarded port 1723 as TCP only in the modem....the speeds are the same with no change even after rebooting a couple of times..

Do I need to port forward a UDP port as well? Which one??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21836858 Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:26:26 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21827895 johnvdub : What method are u using again? to unthrottle]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21827895 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:53:23 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21825440 anon : Tutorial for defeating the throttle:

a) Change ISP to one that supports MLPPP
b) if in QC, change to cable.

That's it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21825440 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:02:05 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21825380 anon : Anyone have any tutorials for Azureus (Vuze) for the Mac?

Thanks!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21825380 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:39:04 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779736 snipes78 :
said by Frigo :

In montreal, works for me also, went from 25 kbps to 350+

Only draw back, seems like the seeder amounts are limited to the ones that use encyrption.
Same thing here in windsor....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21779736 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:30:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21778888 anon : In montreal, works for me also, went from 25 kbps to 350+

Only draw back, seems like the seeder amounts are limited to the ones that use encyrption.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21778888 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:25:32 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21755806 anon : Wow. I can confirm that this definitely does unthrottle (or bypass the throttle... w/e) the connection. I went from 15k/s download to 150k/s download. I had to power cycle a few times though.

Go CTRC ruling! Go secure VPN traffic!... and suck it Bell!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21755806 Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:17:38 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21700754 davidbrown :
said by chronoss2009 See Profile :

"you assume encrypted packets you don't recognize are torrent packets"

thats discrimination and is saying im guilty of a behaviour without proof.

If i were a lawyer that woud be akin to say that cause i am black i do crime there fore we should just lock up all black people.

WRONG. You can't see what is encrypted and thats also what has a class action lawsuit on you. You are using that deep packet inspection to try and tell what my private data is, and under the privacy act thats against the law. Watch bell eventually lose this ability in court as well.

Just cause you provide me with a tunnel under the bridge does not mean you can put a camera in my car to watch me in my car nor what i do going through that tunnel.

Merry christmas and happy new year all.
In the real world money win more often then not.
They have clearly in print admitted to doing deep packet inspection and continue to do so without anyone being able to stop them.

With the crtc in their pocket and only two providers they can basically do whatever they feel like.
Ever changing contracts.
Caps
Throttling
Pay per gb
Block sites they don't approve of

And so on.

Doesn't sound much like we won does it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21700754 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:28:53 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21700715 davidbrown : Sadly burying you encrypted torrent traffic in other encrypted traffic does nothing more then delay thing if your lucky.

Eventually the deep packet inspection sees the torrent traffic and its clear as day pattern of traffic and kills things again.

Utorrent utp (end of the internet..lol) 1.9 beta version do effectively the same thing and by you some time.

Problem is wrapping the tcp does little more then slow things down and in the end does nothing to hide the bitorrent pattern.

Guess overloading the internet with utorrnet isn't going to happen...lol.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21700715 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:22:02 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21643416 anon : There you go again with the law suits and lawyers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21643416 Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:16:39 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21643158 anon : Throttling seems to be off on the weekends. Right now I've got one going at 553kb which is 10x as fast as on a weeknight (usually 25-30kb then).

Without using these adjustments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21643158 Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:03:19 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21635957 Guspaz : I'm stuck on a Bell connection for the holidays. I tried the general tricks. Port 1723 in uTorrent, force encryption, try uTP in the 1.9 alpha.

None of this worked reliably (speeds were pretty poor).

I eventually got fed up and plugged in my WRT54GL that I had brought with me, and used my TekSavvy login and MLPPP. Full speeds and no messing around with settings. And I'm not using up my parents bandwidth when I download stuff either, since it's my account.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21635957 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:49:00 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21635887 anon : Wow - this method works as of....well, today! Only thing is that I'm using BitTorrent which I think is suppose to be the non-modified version of uTorrent.

quote:
"With great power comes great responsibility"
-Uncle Ben


Also, about 30 minutes in it did dip below 100KB/s, but that dip (70KB/s) was A LOT more than the throttled peak of 35KB/s I was getting before.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21635887 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:26:15 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21623016 Sean : I've tried this method, and it doesn't seem to work for me. I've opened up 1723 in my router, uTorrent is using it, I see the green arrow indicating all's well, but I'm still throttled at 30 kB/s.

My router has some VPN options that can be set. It talks about the "PPTP Working Mode" and it can be set to "Transparent Mode," or "Standard Client Mode," or "Standard Server Mode."

Currently it's at the default selection of Transparent Mode. Would this have anything to do with this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21623016 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:48:50 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21619773 davidbrown :
said by sbrook See Profile :

Mr Brown, were it the case that only the packet headers were examined, then there would be no need for "Deep" Packet Inspection. It would simply be header inspection.

Torrent protocols are readily identifiable, not from the headers (lots of other things, not just the few previously reported, would get snagged as torrents were this the case) but from patterns within the data portion of the packets. When you start encrypting packets, the requirement reverses, you assume encrypted packets you don't recognize are torrent packets, and you let everything else through.
True i did rather over simply things but i did that for a reason.
He doesn't really seem to have much understanding of how it works so i stuck with the very basics.

That all being said this method isn't totally without merit since the more encrypted traffic it needs to go through the harder it becomes to filter.

For those wishing more of a advantage i would try the latest beta of utorrnet as its doing a fairly decent job of getting around this issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21619773 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:09:14 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21615835 anon : Anyone have tutorials for osx users with Vuze (Azureus)? I'm on a PowerPC system which Utorrent doesn't support yet.

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21615835 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:15:18 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21592707 moggy : I use wget.exe with script to auto change my port in utorrent every 15 minutes

»WEBUINAME:WEBUIPASSWORD@localhos···RT” -O- -q

create a task schedule and set for every 15 minutes]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21592707 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:30:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21589757 ofelas : Hi all, does this work on Bittorrent 6.1.1?
Thx.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21589757 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:09:21 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588919 chronoss2009 : "you assume encrypted packets you don't recognize are torrent packets"

thats discrimination and is saying im guilty of a behaviour without proof.

If i were a lawyer that woud be akin to say that cause i am black i do crime there fore we should just lock up all black people.

WRONG. You can't see what is encrypted and thats also what has a class action lawsuit on you. You are using that deep packet inspection to try and tell what my private data is, and under the privacy act thats against the law. Watch bell eventually lose this ability in court as well.

Just cause you provide me with a tunnel under the bridge does not mean you can put a camera in my car to watch me in my car nor what i do going through that tunnel.

Merry christmas and happy new year all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588919 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:05:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588634 grendel : I've noticed this past month that the 1723 port is getting consistantly throttled. I have about 15 minutes of full speed, then about 15 minutes at 70K down before i get throttled to 30Kup and 30K down.

Most likely due to the fact that the DPI is being 'tuned.' I'm sure Bell has noticed that VPN use had gone _way_ up the past few months. ;)

I have found a way around it that works everytime so far.
You just have to rotate things around. I set my DSL router to re-connect every four hours. This gets me a new IP address.
Plus each day I use a different port number. I have about a dozen which seem to not get throttled. I use UPnP so I don't have to worry about re-configuring my router each time.

By doing this I haven't been throttled for long. Since I'm a Star Trek geek I imediately think of 'rotating phaser frequencies' but remember, the Borg will eventually adapt.

Gren.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21588634 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:11:02 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21533507 kami147 : for anyone who knows how to use IRC to download, this has good speeds, currently over 200k on latest CSI episode]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21533507 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:12:39 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21530297 anon : im having trouble

im using vista 32 bit ultimate
using bitcomet 1.06
i set and forwarded TCP 1723 to my computer and it still not
doing anything.

help?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21530297 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:31:12 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21503158 anon : This method used to work for me, although I never reached unthrottled speeds, but now I find that I'm right back down to the baseline, throttled speeds.

Is this a common experience now? I assume Bell can't be throttling all VPN traffic (surely?).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21503158 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:50:31 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21486826 sbrook : Mr Brown, were it the case that only the packet headers were examined, then there would be no need for "Deep" Packet Inspection. It would simply be header inspection.

Torrent protocols are readily identifiable, not from the headers (lots of other things, not just the few previously reported, would get snagged as torrents were this the case) but from patterns within the data portion of the packets. When you start encrypting packets, the requirement reverses, you assume encrypted packets you don't recognize are torrent packets, and you let everything else through.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21486826 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:49:12 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21486390 davidbrown :
said by PerVices See Profile :

Dear DavidBrown,

In reply to your concerns;

I'm not completely sure what you mean when by a 'lightly throttled' area - you are either throttled, or you are not. Although it may be possible that some areas have different rule sets than others, I do not know of any evidence to support this. Without evidence, I don't think we can discuss this in a meaningful manner.

Nothing in the technical brief, or our CRTC filing, suggests that the DPI device is capable of reading encrypted traffic.

For a more detailed explanation of why we feel this works, please reference our technical brief.

Warm Regards,
Good lord man didn't you read up on any of this stuff.

It doesn't read encrypted files it doesn't need to and that wouldn't work anyway.
It would take far to long to break any encryption and too much power.
Dpi looks at the header each and ever bit has going out on the internet and very quickly sees a torrent pattern which is dead simple to do.
Simlar to any router it can be set to give priority to certain traffic or in this case area.
Which is why one area can be give priority for dpi and traffic from some where else gets a lessor priority (very much like qos on a router)
This is why some areas are more affected then others.

All this method does is turn encryption on and bury torrent traffic in with other encrypted traffic.

Now the irony is though this isn't a fix it can work for some people.
If they are in a area which is on low priority for the dpi hardware then it can hide it for a time or maybe even cause it to miss it all together.

If you had read up on the evidence which is all over the place you would know this.

My issue is not with posting something like this but the fact you have done absolutely no home work and have no understanding how it works.

All this info is there for the reading but instead we have confused and pissed off people.

If i can find it and this isn't even my area of work then you should have found your evidence a long time ago.

Read is knowledge and power.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21486390 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:25:03 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21486284 PerVices : Dear DavidBrown,

In reply to your concerns;

I'm not completely sure what you mean when by a 'lightly throttled' area - you are either throttled, or you are not. Although it may be possible that some areas have different rule sets than others, I do not know of any evidence to support this. Without evidence, I don't think we can discuss this in a meaningful manner.

Nothing in the technical brief, or our CRTC filing, suggests that the DPI device is capable of reading encrypted traffic.

For a more detailed explanation of why we feel this works, please reference our technical brief.

Warm Regards,
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Applied Research
Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21486284 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:06:54 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21485991 anon : Most private trakers dont allow DHT so this is pretty much useless. At least im not with bell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21485991 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:02:15 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21484267 davidbrown : As i mentioned before this isn't well thought out and has little understanding on how the throttling works.

All this does is bury the encrypted torrent traffic in encrypted vpn traffic.
This makes it harder for the dpi to find but this only buys you time maybe since its fully capable or reading the unencrypted headers to tell which is which.

Now this could help alot if your area is only lightly affected by dpi and ther system isn't fully focused in that area long enough to notice the traffic deeply.

They myth here is that he thinks it reads encrypted traffic and it never did as this would take too much time and power.

This though can help in certain areas but is useless for most of us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21484267 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:47:41 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480601 PerVices : Yes,

We are keeping the document location static - we felt it would make the most sense to have a single URL point to the latest version of the document.

So long as the document remains relevant, we hope to maintain it at that location.

As of today, Nov 25 2008, the latest version of the document is v0.7

Warm Regards,
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Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21480601 Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:43:11 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21474450 anon : Bingo! Works for me, guys. Copied the settings from the screencaps of utorrent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21474450 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:10:51 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21470822 anon :
said by PerVices See Profile :

Hi,

We've updated the guide to mention the importance of disabling DHT in uTorrent.

Many Thanks,
So I recall the "PerVices" white paper as being on P2Pnet.net

A search brought up this page »www.p2pnet.net/story/16329 which leads to your tech paper on bypassing the throttle here:
»pervices.com/docs/throttling_tech_brief.pdf

Is this your current update to bypass the throttle?

Is this what you have updated?

Your web site @ »pervices.com/ leads to the same above PDF with the revision date of 2008 11 22.

Just to clarify, since you gave no URL... is this the PDF that the people should follow?

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21470822 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:59:20 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21470612 PerVices : Hi,

We've updated the guide to mention the importance of disabling DHT in uTorrent.

Many Thanks,
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Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21470612 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:04:20 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21470607 PerVices : Hi,

Not to needlessly bring up an old topic, but we completely agree with you. If everything is uniform across the network, there is no reason why it should not work for everyone.

We are not really sure why this does not work for everyone - we think it's possible that we are overlooking a configuration setting required for this to work, or perhaps another subtlety in how throttling is measured.

The biggest hurdle to overcoming throttling seems to be an incomplete understanding of how throttling is measured and defined by the device. If we could figure out exactly what prompts the device to throttle traffic, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Warm Regards,
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Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21470607 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:02:24 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21294863 davidbrown : As i explained this isn't a fix and never was.

All that happened is you bury you torrent activity under other traffic.

Its does nothing else and depending on how heavy the equipment is being used in your area for throttling it gets you alittle time at best.

The system always catches up to you and it becomes unaffective and useless.

Encryption or not legacy connections or not has no affect since it doesn't pay any attention to whats in the packet.
It merely looks for the patterns of behavior (same size/same intervals and so on).

The more traffic of similar type though the more the system has to go through and the more time you may get throttling free. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21294863 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:27:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21290903 cosmofairly :
said by Version 1 See Profile :

Hmm, doesn't work for me
I'm having the same problem, and I've tried as drjp81 suggested and turned off DHT. I'm still stuck at 30 kb/s.

I followed all of the steps as Version 1 mentioned, but is there something else we're missing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21290903 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:01:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21281925 drjp81 : If you are using DHT, in uTorrent it dynamically assigns ports, so make sure DHT is off. Make sure encryption is forced and legacy connections are disabled.
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21281925 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:40:41 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21281487 Version 1 : Hmm, doesn't work for me

Forwarded port 1723

Unchecked all six boxes in the BitTorrent section of the Preferences window

Set Encryption to Forced and unchecked Legacy Connections

In Connection section, unchecked UPnP and NAT-PMP port mapping.

Double checked to make sure uTorrent was using 1723

Reset modem, router, and computer a couple of times. Port is forwarded correctly in router (TCP only, should it be both?) as evident by the green check in uTorrent.

Using uTorrent 1.8.1 with XP SP2 if it matters]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21281487 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:01:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21238865 drjp81 : You have to force incoming as well (disable legacy in uTorrent)
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Cheers!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21238865 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:21:21 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21235578 lil25jai : i did make my outgoing encryption to forced in preferences in utorrent. This was configured like that for a long time already.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21235578 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:36:12 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234634 drjp81 : It's not JUST a matter of opening port 1723. You also have to force all content being encrypted ans also make sure DHT connections are done on regularly encrypted ports (or disable it altogether)

Furthermore, the Tomato firmware upgrade doesn't work with Bell as they do not support MLPPP. You'll have to look elsewhere.
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www.your-freedom.net

download and install it after creating an account, then buy a package that provides you with 4 mb or unlimited depending on your connection]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234281 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:43:02 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21230606 lil25jai : update: so i did an update on my linksys firmware to tomato firmware, but that all did was made a 10kb/s boost, to 36ish kb/s.... i dont know wat else i can do... someone plz help me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21230606 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:42:40 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21225029 lil25jai : it doesnt work for me... i've tried everything, opening port 1723 on my linksys router, resetting my modem (speedstream 6520), took out those settings on utorrent, and i'm still stuck at 27ish kb/s on peak times.... anyone can help me?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21225029 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:57:43 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224506 anon : I am so very happy to have found this Forum. My download speeds would go from 500kb/s down to 50kb/s and then to 25kb/s every day. Frustrated the hell out of me. I tried this trick but it didn't work... at first. Restarting my modem did the trick and my speed is back up. Thank you to whomever figured this out. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21224506 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:11:24 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21190490 davidbrown :
said by err hmmm :

said by davidbrown See Profile :

the only true fix mlpp.
allow me to fix that...
the only true fix [is] mlpp, if you leave Bell and stay with DSL with a DSL company thats supports MLPPP.

Also, doesn't Acanac's VPS fix this also?
Yup bell doesn't support mlpp.
Vps is still hit and miss not sure why yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21190490 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:38:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187218 anon :
said by davidbrown See Profile :

the only true fix mlpp.
allow me to fix that...
the only true fix [is] mlpp, if you leave Bell and stay with DSL with a DSL company thats supports MLPPP.

Also, doesn't Acanac's VPS fix this also?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187218 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:37:07 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187087 davidbrown : This doesn't work in way the gentlemen here would like you to think.
I applaud the effort but he has no understanding how the system works.

Whats really going on here is your making it harder to see your traffic by putting it in the vpn area but your not doing more then that.

He seems to have this idea that the system is fooled by encryption which isn't the case.
Encryption does nothing since the dpi works on patterns and behavior (think facial recognition software..sticking a beard on doesn't fool the system since the bread isn't even a factor to it.).

Now its not to say this can't help since the more traffic the system has to deal with the harder it is for to do its job but its only a temp fix at best.

The system always catches up and bites us and the only true fix mlpp.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21187087 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:12:04 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182735 anon : I've figured out how to get around the throttling.
Just simply change your IP address, and tada! Full speed ahead!

Although I limit my speeds anyways to 75% of my total download speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21182735 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:21:29 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21175984 frank2029 : works!

went from 30KB to 513KB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21175984 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:18:50 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21161502 anon : did a reboot of computer and modem after that last post, with port @ 500, encryption on... speeds are back up again. encryption on, fine.
switched to port 1723, works fine, encrypted or not.

WTF?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21161502 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:04:20 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21161452 anon : Started having problems here a couple of days ago. Tried all workarounds to no avail. Aliant seems to be jumping on the bandwagon with the rest of its sister companies.

I called them this morning and the tech assured me it was a line problem and a repairman would be here tomorrow to check it out...

I have never seen a line problem like that. Web speed tests come out with better than advertised results (6Mb/s), but other traffic still crawling around 100kB/s.

Any other Aliant customers out there experiencing the same?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21161452 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:54:48 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21161048 Kringle : I fully understand what you're saying and that's what I'd expect as well.

BUT the exact same KTorrent and router configuration that worked last week no longer bypassed the throttle last night when downloading Michael Moore's new film (over 1000 seeds).

At precisely 01:43 this morning the regular loss of internet connectivity (while the sync remained and concurrent with throttling being turned off) occurred and, after a quick modem reboot, the torrent was running at 200kBytes/sec. Yes, I had rebooted the modem during the throttling period to no avail.

EDIT: Note that I did not reboot the router or change anything in KTorrent except to update the tracker after rebooting my modem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21161048 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:55:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21160881 Deadpool :
said by Kringle See Profile :

It depends where you are. It no longer works here on Bell Internet and it used to.
I disagree. The DPI's aren't configured differently based on geography.

If it works for one, it should work for all (it works for me and everyone else I know on Bell Internet as well).
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quote:
his certainly works, Bell began throttling me today. I'll switch to teksavvy or acanac at the end of the month, this should see me through.


well guess what acanac and teksavyy are being throttle i know this cause i had teksavyy before and i got acanac today i experienced it with both company

they do throttle every company that are using there lines]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152911 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:46:52 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152786 Chocolinx : Just tested this method and works great.

uTorrent
Open Port 1723
Disable UPnP Port Mapping
Disable NAT-PMP Port Mapping

Now no more throttle. Posting this at 11:13PM.

Original throttle was 25kb/s now getting 80kb/s on a fresh torrent that was just released.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21152786 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:13:32 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21132972 theninjasqua : Does anyone know if this work around still works? I got a new router and I am trying to get things configured but my BT downloads are still getting caught by the throttling even though my torrent client settings are unchanged.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21132972 Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:29:46 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943170 marcbase : you can also try using proxifier]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20943170 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:11:05 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20942350 tiger9 : Well, I can't comment on the SS 6520, but I do have a SS 4200 running A5Y firmware, which should be similar to a SS 6520.

Basically, I Port-forward TCP/UDP 1723 to my computer, and set up BitTorrent to RC4'd encrypted connections. Works like a charm - download here @ 50KB/sec during 4pm-2am.

[This is on a half-megabit line, your mileage may vary - any throttling by Bell may not be detected on my slow DSL link] ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20942350 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:16:35 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20942297 anon : Has anyone got this to work with a Speedstream 6520?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20942297 Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:01:47 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881088 anon : Thank you everyone. And especialy to thoses guys from Per Vices! UTorrent on port 1723 with protocol encryption, no UPnP, no NAT. Worked as soon as I asked my router to resolve a new ip. I don't think I'll max download speed as most of my torrents sources are about 1/10 seeds while encrypted. However it's still realy nice to see a downspeed over 100k/s before 2am!

Thanks again]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20881088 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:55:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880265 anon : Well sorry to ask again.. Is the new canadian law about copyright is true? I heard they will charge us $500 for each download?????]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880265 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:16:46 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880243 PerVices : Dear DavidBrown,

I'm still not sure what you mean bu 'on the very edge of hardware'. If a DPI is deployed behind your BAS, you are subject to throttling. In the unlikely case there is no DPI device behind the device, you shall not be throttled.

Also, while you are correct, that bell does examine encrypted data, it certainly does not mean that they are able to decrypt it. The overhead required to carry out cryptanalysis is very likely beyond the scope of the device. In otherwords, the only thing they would be able to infer is that the flow is either an unknown protocol, or possibly encrypted.

Additionally, Bell Canada makes specific mention of the importance of running the VPN client over standard ports. The inference is that if you do not use the default port, you shall be throttled.

Warm Regards,
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Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880243 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:11:49 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880202 PerVices : Dear drjp81,

You're right about the new connections bit - Bell Canada mentioned as much in their CRTC filing. It seems what they do is analyze TCP/IP flows, and if they find particular characteristics in that flow, it is throttled.

So the real trick is determining exactly what the characteristics of white listed traffic are, and then trying to mimic that. We think this is why our technique works.

Regards,
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Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20880202 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:03:20 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879925 anon : Sorry i m new to this... but how to set the tcp to 500 and udp 50 and udp 51 ... i really dont know where to find them.. thank you]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20879925 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:05:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20878558 drjp81 : But it also has been stated that the encrypted payload is impossible for bell to decryp and analyse in real time. So I am a bit confused.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20878558 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:45:50 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20878085 davidbrown : In bell own statement they have already admitted they look at the data encrypted or otherwise.

Not they don't look at the whole thing just the header info but this is enough and it has yet to be determined if this is illegal (you would think that would be a no brainier).

Doesn't matter which port its on and the best you can hope for is its being over used or lightly used in your area so its slow to catch on to the change.

This isn't a magic fix it never was and got tried at the beginning and found to be basically useless in most cases.

Now in the odd case were your on the very edge of the hardware this could prove useful in helping longer then most.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20878085 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:33:51 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20874789 anynomous : OK tried to download some p2p tonight, I'm with teksavvy and using mlppp with xp, and i still get 200kb down, it didn't reach the max of my connection, but still decent speed, far better than the 30K throttled,
so i think the mlppp trick is still working]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20874789 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:21:22 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20874695 drjp81 :
said by PerVices See Profile :

This doesn't work for us - if we choose a completely random port, we are throttled. Does this work for you?

Warm Regards,
From what I've observed
a)if there's incoming traffic encrypted on a port that usually isn't, this is a hint to bell's boxes to start throttling. My guess is, some connections won't be ecrypted, you will refuse them, but nevertheless the damage is done, the pacckets got DPIed and the detected a torrent

b) if all you traffic is encrypted an on a port that is expected to be encrypted *and* if bell doesn't "observe" an unencrypted torrent data attempt to connect to you, on the same port as the one encrypted, they have no way to tell for sure if it's torrent traffic. So they have to leave you alone.

I keep thinking the DPI boxes concentrate on new connections to examine the data on a any new port connection
do their analysis and then if it doesn't yield a positive result, moves on. I doubt they attempt to examine each packet that goes by. That's why presume there must be holes.

Keep in mind that looking into ecrypted data would be illegal, not even maybe, but for sure.
They are on shaky ground as it is.

That's my 2¢ on it anyways.
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I reserve the right to use any private message
in these boards if you behave like a horse a$$ in it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20874695 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:01:06 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20874297 PerVices :
said by davidbrown See Profile :

Whats actually happening is bell did what they always do and bought cheap and don't have enough hardware to cover everything fully.

If you happen to be in a area thats only thinly covered by this then going to a forced encryption and using a vpn port can confuse the over stressed hardware.
Our impression was that this occurred behind the BAS, so I'm not sure what you mean by 'thinly covered' - it seems to us that you either are throttled, or not. Could you please elaborate on what you mean?

said by davidbrown See Profile :

For that matter forcing encryption and using any port would likely do the same.
This doesn't work for us - if we choose a completely random port, we are throttled. Does this work for you?

Warm Regards,
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Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20874297 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:43:53 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20865586 zoravar : I got it to work. I'm on sympatico and use the Speedstream 6300 modem/router unit from bell and I used 1723 'pptp' port on the modem.

My problem was the windows XP firewall, i opened the necessary port and it worked.

I followed the instructions posted by the OP and I was able to use uTorrent to download the CBC torrents without being throttled. Watching online videos, and WOW are all working they way they should.

I was averaging 600K download at 8pm.

Thanks OP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20865586 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:58:12 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20863044 drjp81 : As long as uTorrent is running it shouldn't be a problem... just make sure you close it up afterwards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20863044 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:36:57 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20861014 helltah : the only way my utorrent icon turns green after having set up port forwarding in my router....is when i go to my windows firewall and add port 1723 to the exception...but does anyone know if this is even safe to do so?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20861014 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:27:53 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860558 theninjasqua : You could always ask bell to send you a different modem.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860558 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:52:26 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860542 helltah :
said by zoravar See Profile :

I have a speedstream 6300 from bell, and forwarding the port 1723 seems to be an issue with it.

The router treats the port 1723 as a 'pptp' port. Google tells me this is point-to-point-tunneling-protocal used for vpn connections. So after i assign port 1723 to my IP address, and test my connection (via utorrent port forwarding connection test), it says my port is not open.

I can use any other port and it works fine (but i'm still being throttled), and the router doesn't enable pptp on the random port numbers i've been trying. Only 1723.

I tried port 500 as well, but it didn't work either (i'm still being throttled, and port connection test fails). The speedstream does not treat port 500 as a pptp port.

Does anyone have any ideas?
I also am having the exact same problem...utorrent still shows my port is not open...does anyone know how to fix this plz?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20860542 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:49:04 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859963 moggy : Imageshack inaction Rev09.iso (699.9 MB)
S ACTIVE (20%) 10:59 (Down: 873.5 kB/s | Up: 18.9 kB/s) Check for errors
then download over http unthrottled I did over 400 k in ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859963 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:49:49 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859633 drjp81 : Sign-up and I'll PM you what has been working for me and a few others.

Cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859633 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:40:12 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859239 moggy : ImageShack’s Free Torrent Download Service Expands

ImageShack, one of the largest media hosting websites, has implemented some significant upgrades to their torrent download service. One of the most innovative new features is the “video preview”, which allows users to browse through stills of the video they are downloading, to get an impression of the quality of the file.

'»torrentfreak.com/imageshacks-fre···-080727/'

I just tested it works great ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859239 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:20:56 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859020 anon : I have a speedstream 6300 from bell, and forwarding the port 1723 seems to be an issue with it.

The router treats the port 1723 as a 'pptp' port. Google tells me this is point-to-point-tunneling-protocal used for vpn connections. So after i assign port 1723 to my IP address, and test my connection (via utorrent port forwarding connection test), it says my port is not open.

I can use any other port and it works fine (but i'm still being throttled), and the router doesn't enable pptp on the random port numbers i've been trying. Only 1723.

I tried port 500 as well, but it didn't work either (i'm still being throttled, and port connection test fails). The speedstream does not treat port 500 as a pptp port.

Does anyone have any ideas?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20859020 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:33:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20856945 davidbrown : System locks things down to this area when its not sure.

Congestion caused by the hardware which is sort of funny since we had none without it...lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20856945 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:05:41 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20855356 AmirDaTSME : yup a restart was in order and went back normal but some reason for torrents i reach 1.0mb/s trying tweak it but not clue why wont go any higher help is appreciated upnp is not checked or the other one nat-pmp port mapping also not checked and lvlord is set 100 why wont it go higher then 1.0mb/s and tested on well torrent with plenty of seeders and for encryption enabled correct ???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20855356 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:42:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20855203 davidbrown : This doesn't actually work and the theory behind its is very flawed. (it does work sort of for another reason)

Whats actually happening is bell did what they always do and bought cheap and don't have enough hardware to cover everything fully.

If you happen to be in a area thats only thinly covered by this then going to a forced encryption and using a vpn port can confuse the over stressed hardware.

Problem is depending on the area this can last 20min to 20 days tell the system clues in and zaps you again.

For that matter forcing encryption and using any port would likely do the same.

If everyone forces encryption all the time bell would either move equipment or they system would basically become fairly useless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20855203 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:31:51 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20854968 AmirDaTSME : i dunno VoIP 1723 port doesn't seem be active working anymore anyone want verify if throttle is back on or is it just me ??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20854968 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:22:24 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20854415 drjp81 : I have another report that throttle can be defeated with this method. And the person testing it didn't use MLPPP either. This is getting stranger by the minute.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20854415 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:57:09 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20854223 anynomous :
said by drjp81 See Profile :

People using XP (and/or no custom firmare routers) on Teksavvy have been reporting the MLPPP alone isn't working anymore, on it's own.
ok sorry i didn't know,
i've been using mlppp with teksavvy, but didn't download any p2p lately, so i didn't notice it wasn't working anymore,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20854223 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:05:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20853823 drjp81 : Unless they allow for encrypting their data, I'm afraid you'd be out of luck.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20853823 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:41:28 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20853418 ultrasroma : Any workaround for Emule/Edonkey? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20853418 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:42:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20852385 drjp81 : Well I'd need a fe guys to test it, but my trick seems to work even without MLPPP. PM me if willing to try.

»Re: From being throttled @ 5k to a WRT54GL to still throttled...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20852385 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:11:51 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20850452 drjp81 : People using XP (and/or no custom firmare routers) on Teksavvy have been reporting the MLPPP alone isn't working anymore, on it's own.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20850452 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:36:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20850319 anynomous : the mlppp trick with teksavvy has been around for weeks now, nothing new here]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20850319 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:08:25 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20850146 drjp81 : I am so sorry....

My workaround is supposed to work for Teksavvy subscribers. I completely forgot that sympatico doesn't allow mlppp since it would be defeating it's own throttling.

So, to all of you from sympatico that I misinformed, I apologize. If you're not on a contract, I suggest you switch to Teksavvy as an aditional first step in my workaround. Then it will be accurate.

;)
--
Cheers!--
I reserve the right to use any private message
in these boards if you behave like a horse a$$ in it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20850146 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:31:45 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20847450 drjp81 : Just trying to delay the inevitable: bell catching up by tweaking their DPI boxes after one of their pawns reads here how we are working against it.

I've already got more than a few people confirming it works for them too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20847450 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:12:23 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20847398 ardo :
said by drjp81 See Profile :

I have a different workaround that has worked for others. Please don't flood me, but if you PM me I will give you the gist of it.
Why not just post it here, we'll all help you test it. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20847398 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:05:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20847384 ardo :
said by fishboy11 See Profile :

i think setting the outgoing port to 500 helps too, although trackers that don't allow dht you'll have to disable it until you are connected to the tracker
The outgoing net port = 500 really does the trick, but all of my trackers do complain. Some of them get updated every 30min, and flipping the port from 500 to 0, updating trackers, then flipping 0 to 500 again becomes a PITA. Is there a way to automate this? Otherwise, this un-throttling works nicely, thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20847384 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:02:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845047 drjp81 : I have a different workaround that has worked for others. Please don't flood me, but if you PM me I will give you the gist of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845047 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:39:13 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20844960 Deadpool : Still works for me. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20844960 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:21:12 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20844849 anon : I spoof my mac address and re-initiate my PPPoE session to get a new IP whenever I become throttled, but Bell seems to catch on awfuly quick. I've disabled DHT yet the throttling continues. It's a pity, it was working well for about a week.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20844849 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:56:45 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840083 JMJimmy : If anyone reads this far:

*You must obtain a new IP for this to work*

If you read the technical brief submitted to the CRTC you'll find that if you are on a static IP you'll have to wait a day or two, if you're on a dynamic IP you have to do a /release /renew and obtain a new one otherwise it won't work (rebooting the modem has the same effect).

Also note: Sympatico also has a "abuser" watchdog so if you're using more than your "fair" share of data transfer they throttle you.

Cheers,

JMJimmy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840083 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:43:45 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20834021 DS : I barely have any throttling and if it comes apparent, just reset connection and away I go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20834021 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:34:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833788 AmirDaTSME : HOW IS IT THROTTLE BACK ON BACK DRAWING BORD ANYONE CONFIRM THAT THE THROTTLE IS BACK I'M ON S0o0 CALLED UP to 16mbps profile ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833788 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:49:59 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829336 pbyk : see

»www.pcworld.com/article/145786-2···ade.html

»broadband.mpi-sws.mpg.de/transparency/
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pbyk Sarnia,ON.,CA. AC[519] share your knowledge, the wheel has been reinvented enough times:) ken]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829336 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:57:56 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828575 fishboy11 : Yea it makes perfect sense why it would work, to sympatico it would look no different than a vpn connection since the data is encrypted and its port 1723, if it was encrypted and not port 1723 they would still throttle, i think setting the outgoing port to 500 helps too, although trackers that don't allow dht you'll have to disable it until you are connected to the tracker, i think the people who had it not work for them need to enable allow incoming legacy connections. actually i think my speed got increased today, i phoned my isp and yelled about the speed cap and they were dumb and didn't understand what throttling was or p2p or bit torrent and he kept saying so your connection is too slow?? and kept telling me its a problem with my line, so i gave up and he said he'd open a ticket and have someine contact me from my phone company so i think he wrote a ticket to bell and they uncapped my line cuz my connection as of today is much faster and it says its a 1gbps connection where as before it was 100mbps my modem can still only do 5mb/s so its not technically faster it just gets to its max speed way way quicker and stays there, and the web is way faster.

my internet speed tests are nearly twice as fast in the download rating as well compared to last night
guess i might not have to find a new isp now, as long as the vpn trick keeps working, i don't see how it couldn't work tho without bell screwing over legitimate vpn customers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828575 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:10:24 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828529 Deadpool : Working for me as well. Doing over 500 KBps right now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828529 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:01:50 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828394 fishboy11 : Worked great for me, using utorrent, set tcp port to 1723, forced encryption with allow legacy connections checked and under advanced go down to outgoing port and set it to 500, after i did that i maxed my speed 515k at 10pm, only problem was a tracker didn't like the fact that i had 2 ports set so i just disabled the udp port 500 until i was connected to the tracker then re-enabled it. i am using netscape.ca dsl which is really aol.ca dsl who leases their lines from bell, i was getting throttled from max down to 50k at 5pm then downto 30k at 7pm i believe it was and i was then throttled till 2am, so 9 hours of everyday, but it works great now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828394 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:30:53 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827795 AmirDaTSME : i think it it back to drawing Bord :uhh:8:46PM eastern time it weird it working kind and not kinda? I'm max s0o0 called up to 16.mbps service and well seed torrent wont go more then 100kbps ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827795 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:49:05 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827384 anon : Can someone please confirm if this technique still work (dosn't work for me).

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827384 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:29:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20803880 oxymoron69 : It's back to full throttle, too bad that doesn't mean fast... :-(

Please Bell, Stop molesting my packets, you fascist pricks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20803880 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:30:10 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796785 AmirDaTSME : sorry burst your bubble but it still active in the Montreal area exactly 8:05PM and torrents are going 500 and + for now :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796785 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:06:13 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796042 anon : They seem to have fixed it. Now im throttled back to the usual 50-55ko/s. (Was working in the last few days)

Tried to reboot modem, checked my port, tracker etc ... but it doesn't work anymore.

: bas3-sherbrooke

But ... but ... Throttling is useful to protect online innovation !

Wait until my contract finish with you Bell ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796042 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:49:48 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20795501 Wolf Fu : I tried this and it worked for about a day. Now, it doesn't matter if I reboot my modem, or change my ports, I'm throttled if I USE encryption. If I turn it off and go back to status quo then I go back to throttling during "peak usage" times.

Any idea when the CRTC is going to make a decision? I don't expect much, but would be nice to have a firm decision. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20795501 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:06:32 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20793120 anon : I am running hardy heron and i found with azureus installed i was able to set tcp to 1723 opened the port in iptables and it worked for me, i did have an issue however setting the UDP port to 50/51 however, i didn't try 500 I just left it to my default 31313 and it still worked for me.
you can install azureus with apt-get and give it a try..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20793120 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:37:31 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20792234 Quiane : using deluge on ubuntu hardy, changed my port to 1723, and when i test the active port it says "1724 is open." Not sure why the discrepancy....any ideas? Needless to say, throttle is still as throttlie as ever. (30k/s)

If this has been mentioned i apologize..i was just heading to bed and wanted to try!

Thanks for all the hard work!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20792234 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:58:38 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791740 PerVices : Hello,

In their most recent filing with the CRTC, Bell Canada has elaborated that they are also using 'basic signatures' that are generated using the specifications of VPN providers.

What this probably means is that this method will shortly stop working 'as is', because the DPI rules shall be modified to examine the application header for the signatures of the most common vendors.

It should be interesting to see how this is deployed, and how quickly it stops working.

It also opens the possibility of bypassing the DPI device by modifying the application headers of p2p clients to mimic those found in VPN products. This would probably be most easily realized in open source clients.

This would probably create a far more effective mechanism for bypassing the throttle, as the only way to detect it would be using traffic analysis - a technique ruled out by Bell Canada in their CRTC filing.

Warm Regards,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791740 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:13:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791544 AmirDaTSME : update!!!! 1753 HAS NO AFFECT for me that is 65kb at most with 1753 port forward, for some reason if i change port back 1723 i get back normal speeds time is 8:35pm living in Montreal area for now this seems to be working for now!! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791544 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:37:10 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791454 AmirDaTSME : if some one doesn't mind,kinda noob to all this port changing just wanted to ask whats the difference from port 1723 or 1753 seen them used both but best one to use is what?what is different of the two thanks for feed back ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791454 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:19:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791213 shwing : Per Vices Corporation
73 Strathcona Avenue Toronto Ontario M4J1G9 Canada
Technical Brief
Bypassing Bell Canada Throttling Using
Protocol Encryption
Version Date Author(s) Notes
0.01 2008 07 08 Victor Wollesen (Applied Research)
Yi Yao (Research and Development)
The following brief provides
instructions on how to configure a
sample bit-torrent client to bypass
the throttling measures enforced by
Bell Canada. Sample clients (uTorrent,
ktorrent) are configured to strictly
apply protocol encryption and use the
VPN port for transferring content.
Per Vices Corporation 1/5 www.pervices.comTechnical Brief: Bypassing Bell Canada Throttling Using Protocol Encryption 8 July 2008
Overview
In general, there are two steps to enabling peer-to-peer communication over
the Bell Canada DSL Network. It is first necessary to force protocol encryption for
all connections. Then, route traffic over the VPN port TCP/1753, optionally using
the IPSec ports (UDP/50, UDP/51) for for DHT or tracker.
Examples
uTorrent
Proceedure
The following has been tested to work to uTorrent v1.7.7.
1. Launch uTorrent.
2. Select Options then Preferences.
3. Click on BitTorrent from the preference tree.
4. Under the Protocol Encryption heading, select Forced. Ensure that the
Allow incoming legacy connections box is unchecked.
5. Click on Connection from the preference tree.
Per Vices Corporation 2/5 www.pervices.com
Illustration 1: The preference settings box
showing the BitTorrent section settings.Technical Brief: Bypassing Bell Canada Throttling Using Protocol Encryption 8 July 2008
6. Under the Listening Port heading, select the Port used for incoming
connections, and set it 1753.
7. Ensure that the Randomize port each time uTorrent starts box is
unchecked.
8. Click on OK.
Notes
You have now configured uTorrent to work within the Bell Canada network.
KTorrent
Proceedure
The following has been tested to work to KTorrent v2.2.6.
1. Launch KTorrent.
2. Select Settings, then Configure KTorrent.
3. Click on the Download section.
4. Under the Preferences header, set the Port to 1723, and the UDP tracker
port to 50.
Per Vices Corporation 3/5 www.pervices.com
Illustration 2: The preference settings box
showing the connection section settings.Technical Brief: Bypassing Bell Canada Throttling Using Protocol Encryption 8 July 2008
5. Click on the General section.
6. Under the DHT header, select the UDP port for DHT communications, and
type 51.
7. Type OK.
Per Vices Corporation 4/5 www.pervices.com
Illustration 3: The download section of the KTorrent
configuration box.
Illustration 4: The general section of the KTorrent
configuration box.Technical Brief: Bypassing Bell Canada Throttling Using Protocol Encryption 8 July 2008
Notes
A lack of public information as to the specific method or techniques used by
Bell Canada in throttling users service prevents us from guaranteeing this
method. This method was tested over the network of a third party ISP. It is not
presently known if this extends to retail Sympatico consumers.
It our hope that this is of use in allowing users to experience full
connectivity.
Applied Research
Per Vices Corporation
Per Vices Corporation 5/5 www.pervices.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791213 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:34:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20790797 anon : pervices.com/docs/throttling_tech_brief.pdf

Website not working for me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20790797 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:05:59 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788447 DS : {moderated} no I didn't do research regarding TSI hours but there amount of posts do drop by over 50% in public areas of the forums and not TSI Direct Forums during weekends.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788447 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:30:16 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787631 anon :
said by DS See Profile :

I sure know that once the end of business hours reaches on Friday not even TekSavvy folks are seen or heard from until Monday.
Sounds plural to me. As in more than just TSI Rocky..

P.S. A quick search on just Rocky, and you'll notice that man doesn't sleep, posts all hours of the night some days.

So, judging by YOUR posts, i'd say you're an ignorant fool that doesn't do his homework before running off at the mouth..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787631 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:08:38 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787558 DS : I was mostly referring to TSI Rocky, ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787558 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:52:11 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787311 Bell_Abused :
said by DS See Profile :

I sure know that once the end of business hours reaches on Friday not even TekSavvy folks are seen or heard from until Monday.
How about these employee posts on the weekend?
»/forum/teksavdirect]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787311 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:54:22 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786921 Bell_Abused : There will be holes and they will plug these holes eventually, like Rogers did.

With this DPI hardware which cost a fortune, I'm sure there is some guarantee by the manufacturer to sort out the holes as they arise.

Enjoy while you can and don't expect it to last forever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786921 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:14:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786729 anon : Amir, start your own thread, your issue has nothing to do with this topic.

This hack has just stopped working for me, i'm certain my settings are correct. Uh oh, has Bell gotten wise?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786729 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:30:18 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786412 AmirDaTSME : hey ds yes i done this while back i put it to 20000kb but ill change it 16000 but don't think will have any affect anyways dead pool if possible u think u can make my speed go faster ;)get back me thanks i have 2wire, i check stats of 2wire its capped at 16320 also note tcp optimizer i put MTU:1492 PPPoE correct??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786412 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:27:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786362 DS :
said by AmirDaTSME See Profile :

said by Deadpool See Profile :

said by AmirDaTSME See Profile :

why is it deadpool or any one for that matter i never seen these speed and i am on 16.mb profile 1735 KB/Sec Down is correct amount, but i am able to get max 1500 KB/sec that is ???
Is your upload set full throttle as well? That can somewhat reduce your speeds as well.

Aside from that, I'd have to see your line stats. Maybe you're not synching at 16 Mbps?
THANKS FOR THE SEND BACK DEAD POOL I JUST WANT NO WHY I RECEIVE MAX 1500/KB'S HTTP OR ON TORRENT for that matter not syncing at 16 Mbps? I CHECK IT SAY 16320 S0O HAVE NO IDEA WHY I NEVER REACHED higher THEN 1500/KB SEC
Goto > »www.speedguide.net/downloads.php and download the "TCP Optimizer" link at near the top of the page.

After you download it, run it and do the following.

Click "Optimal Settings" at the bottom right of the window and then make sure the box for "Modify all network adapters" is checked under "Network Adapters Section" and then move the sliding bar under "Connection Speed" and set it to 16000 Kbps (one line over from 15000 Kbps). Reboot pc and redo steps for each Windows based pc connected to your DSL Modem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786362 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:18:07 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786329 anon : Don't forget to use forced encryption.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786329 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:11:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786271 anon :
said by Seren :

Not working for me.

How do you do that : put any DHT or tracking on UDP/500, UDP/50, UDP/51 ????
There are step by step instructions found here:
»www.p2pnet.net/story/16329
and here
»pervices.com/docs/throttling_tech_brief.pdf
for KTorrent & uTorrent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786271 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:58:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786254 anon : Not working for me.

How do you do that : put any DHT or tracking on UDP/500, UDP/50, UDP/51 ????]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786254 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:54:21 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785485 AmirDaTSME :
said by Deadpool See Profile :

said by AmirDaTSME See Profile :

why is it deadpool or any one for that matter i never seen these speed and i am on 16.mb profile 1735 KB/Sec Down is correct amount, but i am able to get max 1500 KB/sec that is ???
Is your upload set full throttle as well? That can somewhat reduce your speeds as well.

Aside from that, I'd have to see your line stats. Maybe you're not synching at 16 Mbps?
THANKS FOR THE SEND BACK DEAD POOL I JUST WANT NO WHY I RECEIVE MAX 1500/KB'S HTTP OR ON TORRENT for that matter not syncing at 16 Mbps? I CHECK IT SAY 16320 S0O HAVE NO IDEA WHY I NEVER REACHED higher THEN 1500/KB SEC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785485 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:36:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785282 Deadpool :
said by AmirDaTSME See Profile :

why is it deadpool or any one for that matter i never seen these speed and i am on 16.mb profile 1735 KB/Sec Down is correct amount, but i am able to get max 1500 KB/sec that is ???
Is your upload set full throttle as well? That can somewhat reduce your speeds as well.

Aside from that, I'd have to see your line stats. Maybe you're not synching at 16 Mbps?
--
Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785282 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:45:50 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784609 Dukie : Ive given this a try and i thin i can get it semi work lol

I have Uttorrent 1.8 beta, ive got it setup to use 1723.
Enable unp port mapping turned off
enable nat-pmp port mapping turned off.

In my router with is a Speedstream 6520.
Ive tried to work out how Portfoward 1723.
But im so far unable to do it.
At least not so that utorrent in anyway pics up the ports fowarded.

Im getting SOME speed increase up to 150k , but im unable to get totally around the throttling issue.

Anyone give me any assistance working out how to foward 1723 on my Router?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784609 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:57:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784313 AmirDaTSME : why is it deadpool or any one for that matter i never seen these speed and i am on 16.mb profile 1735 KB/Sec Down is correct amount, but i am able to get max 1500 KB/sec that is ???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784313 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:26:58 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783939 Deadpool :
said by DS See Profile :

You are most likely to download better from clients who have complete sources and not 200 incomplete sources and just one seed.
Agreed!

said by DS See Profile :

I never knew Bell Employee's actually visited the forums on the weekend, I sure know that once the end of business hours reaches on Friday not even TekSavvy folks are seen or heard from until Monday.
What can I say...I like you guys! :D
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Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783939 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:04 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783853 DS : You are right about not being able to download from a non-encrypted source while encryption is turned on (small over sight)...

I haven't been mistaken at all about the downloading via BT, there are more then just clients with complete sources and non-complete, everything is downloaded in pieces but you mistakenly misread what I stated.

You are most likely to download better from clients who have complete sources and not 200 incomplete sources and just one seed.

I never knew Bell Employee's actually visited the forums on the weekend, I sure know that once the end of business hours reaches on Friday not even TekSavvy folks are seen or heard from until Monday.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783853 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:04:39 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783837 Deadpool : I believe your mistaken.

First, BT doesn't target who's completed the torrent download first. It targets which pieces of the torrent are least available first. Ever download a torrent and within a few minutes you've started uploading? It's certainly not because you completed the download 100%/

You also can't download from a non-encrypted source unless you turn off encryption on your side (or if you have it on, it's not forced and you allow legacy connections).

You also can't download from an encrypted source unless you turn on encryption (for those who have set it to forced and do not allow legacy connections).
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Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783837 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:57:48 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783624 DS : Has nothing to do with Bell or any ISP for that matter, you just simply can't expect too obtain to much over 10mbps from any given server even if you had a fiber line to your home with a gigabyte connection you would still have the same problem.

Majority of servers only have 10-100mbit ethernet connections and not all of them have gigabit fiber connections allowing faster downloads via HTTP/FTP.

No matter who you are with; Bell, Rogers, fiber from Level3 or etc, you will still have the same problem.

You just can't pull to much over 10mbps from only one server per download, this is why NewsGroups and P2P downloads with quality seeds can obtain max download of your connection with ups and downs.

(The max I am ever able to download on remote servers on a 100mbit link are a max of 3.5 MB/sec but that is pretty rare at most.)

Number one cause for slow downloads is server load and network congestion on the server's end and yours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783624 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:15:21 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783532 AmirDaTSME : OK DS RESONE FOR THIS BEING? WHY IS IT 200KB OFF OR NOT ABLE GET 200 KB I'M MISSING NOT THAT IT MATTERS :p AS I NO 1500/KB IS BEST I CAN GET WITCH U SAID UR SELF NOT EVEN 14MBPS PROFILE WHATS POINT SAYING 16MB IS IT JUST FACT TRY SELL SOMETHING THEY WONT GIVE ONCE AGIN I SAY FALSE ADVERTISEMENT :p SORRY about caps i started with it didnt notice s0o i left it like that....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783532 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:47:48 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783519 DS : The reason you could even obtain over 10mbit download speeds is because the server the file is on, is located in Chicago on premium bandwidth with very low saturated 100mbit link.

This test isn't absolute and just because you can't download at full 14megs (1735 KB/Sec or more) doesn't mean there is anything wrong with your connection.

Your download speed is perfect for 16meg connection and I just suggest getting torrents from thepiratebay and/or demoniod that have large amount of seeds and low peer ratio.

16 Meg connection you get up-to the following.
1735 KB/Sec Down (+/- 50)
100 KB/Sec Upload (+/- 10)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783519 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:27:49 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783499 AmirDaTSME : DS
THAT goes dido for me with torrents but only .9-1.1mb/s max able to get? for download that's the max i could get :P see i am slower then you not close enough co or ????it odd seems im only off 200 i brake even 1500kb second all time is this sounding odd amount because i was downloading before with 7mb profile 500kb/s even all time now it 1500kb/sec basically pay for 1000kb=1mb more of speed correct=$$$=pricless sympathetic inc.. :huh:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783499 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:51:33 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783470 DS :
said by Deadpool See Profile :

I do believe that you may be actually bypassing the throttling, however at the same time, I also believe that because the configuration is set to "Forced Encryption" and also to not allow legacy connections, that you'll only be able to download from those who also (at least), have Encryption enabled.

I tested this myself last night and was successful, however I never able to max out my download speeds (never went over 100 KBps). But my upload maxed out within a minute and stayed that way.

Again, my understanding of how BT works leads me to believe that it will only work well if there are many seeds/peers who also have Encryption enabled. Otherwise, it doesn't.
I've done great research in this matter and just because out of let's say 20 seeds you are downloading a torrent from that have 100% completed sources, just because not all (or any) have encryption on, does not mean it will not work.

I was able to download with BT at a max speed of 1320 KB/Sec with an upload speed of 20 KB/Sec, with zero throttling apparent for at least 12 hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783470 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:59:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783461 DS : If anyone wants to try downloading at even close to full download speeds to see if their connection can do it, then download the link below with/without a Download Manager.

»tinyurl.com/627dca
File Name: 7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso
File Size: 34450 KB

(This download file will remain public for the next 24 hours)

I personally just tried downloading this FBSD test file and I got an average speed of 1250 KB/Sec and other times I am even able to download at a sustained speed of 1475 KB/Sec.

Downloading from one HTTP/FTP server and no others at once, will cause the connection speed not to obtain the max because of limitation on the server and/or network path from the server to you.
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Bell Sympatico - Total Internet Max - 16 Mbit Connection
Download Speed: 13903 kbps (1737.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 883 kbps (110.4 KB/sec transfer rate)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783461 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:50:49 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783447 AmirDaTSME : have 2 wire problem why am i 200kb off even thoe 16mps is =2470kb/s forget about header 15% lost whatever technicality is why am i not getting full amount ??? 1700kb/sec is max best bell got offer not cheap mind u :P
this is not fiber optic if u ask me nothing max about it :P either ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783447 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:39:40 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783432 DS : I have lower pings and faster speeds on 16meg ADSLv2 then I never had on 5meg ADSLv1.

All depends on distance and what kind of modem you have (critical in my opinion).

The 2wire 2701-HG modem is one of the best I have ever gotten from Bell, all the low quality SpeedStream modems could barely handle hundreds of inbound and outbound connections per second, but the 2wire can and does not impact performance for other computers connected at the same time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783432 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:26:41 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783398 AmirDaTSME : k lucky for me i am in Montreal area throttled hard if u asked me? on 16 mbps but receiving 12-13 or s0 mbps :P is this worth the money they asking for i think not not now anyways all throttling and unlimited costing now not real being unlimited :o ???even still ADSLv1, is best for gaming they say yes ADSLv2 is better but that doesn't explain why in cs=counter strike or any game online for that matter, serious throttled lagged and kicked off the server for my ping being over 200!!! bell is really screwing around with people these days, guess bell just got 2 head of it self and full over paid lawyers and s0o0 called staff!!!
for all advertisement they do ,should at lest have better pricing dam over over priced is this number #1 company best pricing can u say HUSTLED >? we should all no BY NOW THEY FALSE ADVERTISE as well !!!!! :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783398 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:47:33 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779407 DS : I'm physically at least 2 km wire distance from the nearest CO, I have tested BT with quality seeded torrents from thepiratebay and demonoid.

ADSLv2 is far better with longer distances then normal ADSLv1, another reason why Wholesale providers are being held back by Bell and not just by speed but quality of service they provide.

(To even provide 5mbps+ service on ADSLv2 would allow more clients to obtain quality service in all areas that support it and from my understanding there is pretty much nearly almost no area that has DSL in Ontario that doesn't support ADSLv2 at the DSLAM or Remote.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779407 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:22:45 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779241 AmirDaTSME : hey DS i would like hear what torrent u download s0o i can possibly do little my own testing :)tell u right now i don't get 1700KB/sec max i ever gotten torrent or not or just http is 1500kb/s Max :P???? reason for this speed is still not figured out well by me that is complained many times but i guess that's best i could get ? guess 0.3km is way too far receive full amount speed i'm guessing :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779241 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:45:45 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779239 DS : I have done my own testing while on Bell's 16mbit ADSLv2 service and I have been able to max out my connection completely by using BT via encryption on stated ports from many different sources as long as there was allot of seeds present.

Last Result:
Download Speed: 13702 kbps (1712.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 803 kbps (100.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
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Bell Sympatico - Total Internet Max - 16 Mbit Connection
Download Speed: 13903 kbps (1737.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 883 kbps (110.4 KB/sec transfer rate)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779239 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:42:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20778511 svtcanuk :
said by Deadpool See Profile :

That aside, those in the Teksavvy forum had a workaround figured out for quite some time now by using MLPPP.
To bad we can't do this :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20778511 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:28:14 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20778330 Deadpool : I disagree that most Private Sites use encrypted clients. I use a few and have yet to be able to max out my connection with very well seeded torrents.

Also, according to recent research, only 20% of total BT users even use encryption.

That aside, those in the Teksavvy forum had a workaround figured out for quite some time now by using MLPPP.
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Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20778330 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:49:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20776410 AmirDaTSME : all i can say sweeet ;) :might i add i'm on 16max s0o called sympatico best got too offer internet, anyways changed port # i only can get 500 well max :P if i'm lucky and for some reason my upload keep switching on me i put low it goes higher ? :hmm: thanks for the tip anyways once again I say THIS SITE ROCKS !!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20776410 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:49:59 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20774479 oxymoron69 : Well deadpool, it's a good thing the majority of folks that use Private Sites also use encrypted clients.
I've been able to max out my DL 600+K/s many times, you just have to get your shit from educated swarms.

Also, check out »https://eztv.it even the site is in SSL :-)

So how does Bell like that we're getting around your demon boxes with minimal effort? Good call spending all that money when it can be circumvented with a few keystrokes and a reset of the modem every now and then BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20774479 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:23:32 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20773954 ardo :
said by Deadpool See Profile :

Again, my understanding of how BT works leads me to believe that it will only work well if there are many seeds/peers who also have Encryption enabled. Otherwise, it doesn't.
Makes sense. I rarely download well-seeded torrents. After fixing my port forwarding problem (I totally forgot that my ST516 is no longer in bridge mode, duh), I re-ran my test with an Ubuntu download and DID see a difference. Like you said, downloads never maxed out, but the uploads did. So the 'hack' appears to be working.

Then again, since most of my torrents aren't well-seeded, I may as well stop wasting time]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20773954 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:26:16 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772906 anon : The next obvious question then:

Will this work for cable isp's also (Shaw/Rogers)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772906 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:59:57 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772760 lesurfer : Nice, getting full speeds now.
Thank you OP and whoever discovered the method.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772760 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:26:59 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772124 anon : Godly 400+ kbps i thank you so much, finally.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772124 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:12:26 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20769125 Deadpool : I do believe that you may be actually bypassing the throttling, however at the same time, I also believe that because the configuration is set to "Forced Encryption" and also to not allow legacy connections, that you'll only be able to download from those who also (at least), have Encryption enabled.

I tested this myself last night and was successful, however I never able to max out my download speeds (never went over 100 KBps). But my upload maxed out within a minute and stayed that way.

Again, my understanding of how BT works leads me to believe that it will only work well if there are many seeds/peers who also have Encryption enabled. Otherwise, it doesn't.
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Disclaimer: If I express an opinion, it is my own opinion, not that of Bell or its related companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20769125 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:20:52 EDT To those who are still throttled http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768582 PerVices : Do you have unthrottled VPN access? Or is that being throttled too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768582 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:57:22 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768546 ardo : Didn't work for me (DD-WRT on the router, ST516 modem). I reset the modem & started downloading Ubuntu with 300+ peers available, got the usual throttled 25-30K download speed. Tried again this morning & was downloading at full speed. In addition, utorrent now says that my ports are closed, even though nothing is reported in router log and in Outpost software firewall log. I did change my port forwarding settings in the router & firewall rules, but utorrent reports that 1723 is closed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768546 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:39:46 EDT false hopes im still throttled too http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768417 mulambo187 : yeah this technique seemed to work hitting 200kb/s for a bit, but watching the speed tab in utorrent i can clearly see that around 9pm to 1am i was capped at around 20kB/s down and between 1 and 2am it was 40kB/s and for the rest of the night i never broke 200kB/s, and honestly i probably should have hit 450kB/s at least a few times with these torrents and my connection. bell u suck!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768417 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:05:26 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767501 anon : It appears as if this temporarily works (for upwards to a few hours) before I'm throttled again. Restarting the modem seems to remedy this momentarily, but it appears as if the throttling has started back up again as of this post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767501 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:05:05 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767452 anon : So do we need to change the setting back to default when we are not getting throttled or leave this setting permanent?

Thanks in advance
:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767452 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:56:35 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766651 svtcanuk : Would you like us to let you know in this forum or via an email?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766651 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:15:26 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766559 PerVices : Dear BellACancer,

We've added some notes to our initial document speculating on why this works for some people. It is available at the same link as the original.

Could you please find out if you have unthrottled VPN access?

Specifically, see if, when connecting through a VPN, you are throttled. If you are, please let us know.

Warm regards,

Victor Wollesen
Applied Research
Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766559 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:00:23 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766446 svtcanuk :
said by yopliat :

said by svtcanuk See Profile :

Are these port number (1723, 500,50,51) the same for a Mac?
It would be standard for any OS/platform
I had a lot of problems with 500, 50, 51, Azurreus kept reporting the ports unavailable. I have no idea what program is using the ports. I used 1701 instead and everything is working now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766446 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:33:37 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766358 mulambo187 : so yeah yesterday this method didn't work for me, but a power cycle of the modem seems to have done the trick. its 7pm in Toronto right now, and i was getting 200kB/s+ down from a private tracker. normally this particular torrent would max out my connection but i think with the forced encryption, it must cut out a lot of the available peers? anyhow a lot better then 20-60kB/s

cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766358 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:15:37 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764820 anon :
said by svtcanuk See Profile :

Are these port number (1723, 500,50,51) the same for a Mac?
It would be standard for any OS/platform]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764820 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:35:36 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764797 svtcanuk : Are these port number (1723, 500,50,51) the same for a Mac?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764797 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:32:27 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764229 Bell_Abused :
said by BellACancer See Profile :

Bon, j'ai essayé les 2 ports, j'ai éteint/rallumé le modem (je n'ai pas de routeur). La vitesse n'augmente pas.

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Try the dirtections given here in this PDF:
»pervices.com/docs/throttling_tech_brief.pdf

If it still fails, dunno.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764229 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:47:58 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20763179 theninjasqua : My only concern with having forced encryption on is that you can only connect and transfer to other people who also have encryption enabled. I have found before when doing that that it is more difficult to get transfers going at a decent speed.
But I guess nowadays more and more people are using encryption for torrent transfers so maybe this will become less of an issue.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20763179 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:34:59 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761825 BellACancer : Ça ne fonctionne absolument pas pour moi.

J'ai suivi attentivement les instructions. J'utilisais déjà l'encryption avant les modifications du document et ma vitesse était d'environ 80 kb/s. Maintenant, elle n'est plus que de 40 kb/s.

Même le numéro de port dans le PDF indique 1753 mais partout ailleurs, c'est écris 1723. Une autre erreur bizarre ?

Bon, j'ai essayé les 2 ports, j'ai éteint/rallumé le modem (je n'ai pas de routeur). La vitesse n'augmente pas.

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Absolutely doesn't work for me.

I followed instructions very carefully. I was using encrpytion prior to these modifications and my speed was about 80 kb/s and now, after that, it's down to 40 kb/s max.

Even the port number in the pdf indicates 1753 but in the news front page, it says 1723. Some weird mistakes ?

Anyway, I tried both ports and tried with reset modem (I don't have a router). The speed won't increase. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761825 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:09:06 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761784 oxymoron69 : After failing in utorrent/xp...
I've rebooted into ubuntu hardy and installed ktorrent and set it up using port 1723.
I can confirm going from 25K/s in xp to running at full line speeed in ubuntu. It didn't work initally, so i power cycled my 6520 and was up to full speed within 45 seconds.

Thanks perverts! You're the shit!

**strangely enough, i've just rebooted back into xp and now it seems to run once again at full speed.
I haven't changed anything in my settings, it just seems to be working now without any further intervention other than it running port 1723 in utorrent.

oh yeah, and I submitted this to Digg...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761784 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:58:59 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761754 Jorge23 : Worked in BitComet 0.93 too.

Switch listen port to 1723.

And go to Advanced>Connection and beside protocol encryption put "always".

Of course you'll have to set up your ports for whatever client you use. Instructions on how to do so @ www.portforward.com

Thanks guys. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761754 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:51:29 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761735 moggy : Woot works for me went form 30kb/s to 300kb/s
using utorrent 1.8 11200 bell 2wire 2701hg modem
4 days left on my bell connection and then my TekSavvy account activates .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761735 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:46:32 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761640 theninjasqua : Awesome, thanks a bunch for posting this. I'll give it a try and see how it goes. I really enjoyed reading your submission to the CRTC, you made a lot of good points. I really hope this will be over soon.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761640 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:22:34 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761511 anon : Thanks, PerVices!

Followed your instructions for utorrent... didn't work until I rebooted the DSL modem, resetting the connection...a standard Bell Sympatico connection. WOOO!

Spread the word, it'll work if you do it right. Let's make them eat their tyranny just in case the CRTC doesn't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761511 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:56:38 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761253 PerVices : Hi,

We have posted a guide on a possible method to overcome the Bell Canada throttle. It is available here:

»pervices.com/docs/throttling_tech_brief.pdf

It include sample configurations for uTorrent and KTorrent.

We would be interested if this technique works for you. Note that it may take a while to work, as it is possible that the DPI device 'remembers' if you use BitTorrent.

So far, we have used this method to use peer-to-peer communication over a third party ISP network (Tek Savvy). We do not know if this will work for Sympatico customers.

If this technique works for you, we would very much appreciate you telling us your ISP name, so we can learn more about how Bell Canada throttles traffic.

Please note that we use Linux exclusively, so we may not be the best source for uTorrent questions (uTorrent is a windows client).

Warm Regards,

Victor Wollesen
Applied Research
Per Vices Corporation]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761253 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:10:39 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760361 oxymoron69 : I've forwarded the port 1723 for tcp/udp in my router
(wrt54gs running dd-wrt) disabled DHT altogether, and still no change in speed.

I'm running utorrent in xp sp3 connected via teksavvy on a 6000/800 line...
I'll try and do this in ubuntu with ktorrent and post if there's any change in result. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760361 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:00:53 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760334 svtcanuk : Trying to make these changes in Azureus (Vuze) but like most people I am stuck on the DHT part. Where are these changes made?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760334 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:54:33 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760152 damojo :
said by BellACancer See Profile :

Je confirme : l'information est complètement fausse.

Même avec encryption et le port 1723, il n'y a aucun moyen de faire cesser le throttle. J'utilise UTorrent
shh dammit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760152 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:20:36 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760112 BellACancer : Je confirme : l'information est complètement fausse.

Même avec encryption et le port 1723, il n'y a aucun moyen de faire cesser le throttle. J'utilise UTorrent]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760112 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:13:02 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760104 damojo :
said by theninjasqua See Profile :


I think you may be able to make the changes under the advance options in utorrent. Im not home now so I can't check, but thats the only place that comes to mind.
already checked there but nothing obvious stuck out]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760104 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:11:01 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760077 theninjasqua : Unless uTorrent knew somehow that by using VPN TCP port to use the other ones on UDP.

I think you may be able to make the changes under the advance options in utorrent. Im not home now so I can't check, but thats the only place that comes to mind.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760077 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:05:30 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760049 damojo : But you would need to configure uTorrent to use those UDP ports for DHT once the ports are open...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760049 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:01:15 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760033 theninjasqua :
said by mudman2479 See Profile :

and put any DHT or tracking on UDP/500, UDP/50, UDP/51.

How do you do that with utorrent 1.7.7?
I was wondering the same thing. Unless they meant for having your firewall open on those ports and protocols.
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-theninjasquad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760033 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:59:37 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759985 mudman2479 : and put any DHT or tracking on UDP/500, UDP/50, UDP/51.

How do you do that with utorrent 1.7.7?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759985 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:51:41 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758419 anon : any insight on how to change the ports with utorrent? or another xp compatible bittorrent client such as azureus?

in utorrent i did find the one option to change a port, but i dont think that covers dht or tracking.

thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758419 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:23:21 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20757434 anon : Actually, if you RTA, you find that this isn't a loop hole; it's a direct result of how they throttle, and that they can't secure VPN traffic because it's encrypted.

(Another copy of the article is here:

»www.pervices.com/docs/CAIP_support.pdf

)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20757434 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:20:22 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20757422 anon : Thank the guys @ Per vices]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20757422 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:17:15 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756866 anon : throttling started over the last week in London ON for me on sympatico. was routinely pulling 500kb/s and all of a sudden went to 30kb/s.

thanks for the post, op. swapped to tcp 1723 and configured for encrypted connections - saw my dl's jump back to 500kb/s again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756866 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:20:42 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756753 Candoo3 : Did you forward the port?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756753 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:45:19 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756612 oxymoron69 : Setting my ports to 1723 has no visible effect, i suspect that Bells DPI has at least a 60 second delay.

I've also reset my modem, router and pc a few times just to make sure that the throttle is likely off...
This is also downloading from private trackers that normally hook me up with xbox360 games at 600K/s.
:-(
I'll fuck with it some more and write more later. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756612 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:09:13 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756362 anon : started in London today for me]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756362 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:59:17 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756342 knothead : I haven't actually noticed any throttling on my account lately, is that still in effect? (London, ON).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756342 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:54:41 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756329 anon : This certainly works, Bell began throttling me today. I'll switch to teksavvy or acanac at the end of the month, this should see me through.

If they ever close this loophole, people might want to look at xerobank's anonymous VPN services. I know i'll be using it if bill c-61 goes through.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756329 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:52:47 EDT Re: How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756289 anon : This seems to work. It's 10:30pm and I'm pulling 450kb/s down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20756289 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:43:32 EDT How to defeat the throttle http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20755668 anon : The following article from the CRTC website shows how to defeat the throttle:

»www.crtc.gc.ca/public/partvii/20···3769.PDF

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A more fundamental flaw in the Traffic Management Solution championed by Bell Canada is revealed when one considers exactly how they dealt with the
problem of encrypted traffic. Forced to associate VPN connections with a specific
port, they make it trivial for users of peer-to-peer applications to bypass the DPI.
A user wishing to download content via BitTorrent needs only to configure their
client to use the VPN TCP port to transfer content, associate any remaining UDP
ports with the standard IPSec Authentication and Encapsulating UDP ports, and
strictly apply protocol encryption to all incoming connections.

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Set your bittorrent port to TCP/1723, and put any DHT or tracking on UDP/500, UDP/50, UDP/51.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20755668 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:26:19 EDT