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Re: I miss the good old days :'( (Pre-BC)
said by ErikVKing  : I was semi-striving for the HWL title, and made it to Lt. General/Rank 11 or Champion/Rank 10 (I forget exactly) but let it decay to Legionnaire/Rank 8 since I got bored of PvP. When they converted the honor system they let you keep your highest title ever earned... so if you don't remember what rank you reached, just look at your available titles, that's it.
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AB_Lazy
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said by ErikVKing :Next you will say that you *do* have to work hand-in-hand with others to get the honor. To a point that is true, since winning a BG takes a collective effort of sorts and honor comes faster with winning ... but ... you can still lose every BG you're in and get the gear. Whereas if you "lose" every raid you get nothing. See my point here? I've seen the most incompetant boobs get carried through content and pick up gear. There are also those that pay for a raid spot on such content to gather up the drops.
You can keyboard faceroll yourself to PvE gear much the same way you can do so honor farming in PvP. |
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AB_Lazy
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said by Zyncotl :Stop caring how others get THEIR gear or spend THEIR time. Amen.
I just really don't understand the calibur of people that see others having fun, and then piss/whine/moan about them having fun...especially when the two worlds do not cross at all.
PvP-tards aren't going to be replacing you in raids.
PvE-tards aren't going to be hurting your arena ratings.
I just don't understand why people see others enjoying themselves, and feel compelled to dismiss/degrade/mock/etc. them. Is it so they feel better about themselves? Is it such a bad thing that other people are having fun with their games? |
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Sithra
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said by ErikVKing :said by Sithra :said by ErikVKing :PvP: . I do agree that they made it too hard for people to get ranked, but at the same time how can you expect them *not* to "punish" you for not being on when others are playing and getting more HKs, more wins, etc.? It should be a measure of skill, not how much time you can spend online, the old Honor system was utterly retarded. And the gear now is about skill? More so than pre-tbc, yes. |
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| LOL old honor system? As someone who grinded rank 14 with 6 other people on a low pop server it was a nightmare. I highly doubt anyone who tried grinding a higher rank would be for this. Not to mention if your on a high pop server good luck, there is no way I could have done it on one. There were guys on Kil Jaeden getting 1.4 million CP a week which is insane. To reach that amount that is literally non stop playing 24/7 or multiple ppl playing the account constantly and pretty much winning every game for 4-5 months.
No thank you trying to get 40 ppl on and getting dead weight sub par players to fill the raid. My friends and I were all in the same guild on the day wow released and ended up disbanding after about 3 weeks when we made it to the twin emps in AQ. The reason why is the fights there started buckling down where everyone needed to be on there game and didnt suck. with 40 ppl that is a big issue, so many guilds disbanded doing that instance. It ended up being about 2-3 guilds that all the good/decent players went to and then went on to finish AQ and Nax.
I think WoW as it is now is better then it used to be. I can do 10 mans with all of my friends which is a blast. NEVER any loot drama and is nothing but fun, I cant say the same for any 40 man I've done. PVP system isn't perfect but WAY WAY better then the old honor system, not even close. I love arenas and think they're a blast my friends and I really enjoy them. It was nice to see them implement something competitive that required skill instead of time spent. There is just way more stuff to do on WoW now without dedicating so much time. Pre BC Wow when you logged in you were either farming or raiding if you wanted to improve your char. PVP was just a fun thing to do here with no rewards unless you wanted to dedicate a few months of your life.
People should really give a rats @ss what other people do. I don't do 25 mans because it reminds me of the 40 man days which I'm not interested in doing. I don't hate or bash PVE'ers because of this, they're doing what's fun for them. If some guy wants to spend all week in AV getting his season 2 set instead of doing Kara/heroics who cares, he's having fun. |
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I certainly miss the "Good ol' days" of pre-BC WoW.
There were some things about old school WoW I didn't like, like dishonorable kills, weekend long AVs, decaying honor and tedious rep grinds.
But for the most part, the old world instances were much more fun, albeit longer and the attunement quests to UBRS, Scholomance, BWL and Ony were great.
Sure, when you were grinding LBRS for your Seal of Ascension gems you were cursing Blizz, but after you had that wonderful key, you were the second coming on a younger server. Many a guild surely died a horrible death due to the fact that everyone in the guild was too lazy for someone to get attuned to UBRS; the key being a pivotal prerequisite for proper raid progression.
Add to that, my main was a warlock back in the day and in AV, he was truly an overpowered destroyer of worlds.
That's not to say BC sucks. I still have a great time running instances with my son and the time I spent leveling my Pally in the Ghostlands was without a doubt the most fun I ever had in WoW. Being a huge Warcraft fan (lore and previous games), I did every single quest there and was sad when it was finally time to leave.
I truly hope that WotLK encapsulates some of that Warcraft3 magic that the Ghostlands had... |
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ErikVKing
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@veunad:
It seems on my Battlegroup things are pretty much the opposite. Alliance win 99.99% of the AVs, Horde normally win EotS (unless it's Horde PuG vs. Ally pre-made then the Ally win ~90%), and WSGs are 50/50 a lot of the time (and sadly take forever with all the morons in the middle fighting).
@Zyncotl:
You just don't get it, do you? Let's see you queue solo to an SSC raid, or TK run, and just run around killing stuff with no order or strat and get even trash down. Unless you want the quick honor and wins like most of us do, you could do just that in a BG and get the badges and honor you need. A prime example is the people that always HK farm etc. They still have the gear, and still get the honor/badges, but unless they are on a node or getting a flag, they aren't really making a win easier...
Arena is different, but then again it's *TWO* people minimum, not *TEN*. Yes if you don't want to wait forever to get the S4 pieces you're going to have to win more than lose and keep a decent rating ... but it's still not 10 people at a minimum to get. Both raids and arenas will likely take a long time to get all of the pieces you are really wanting, but only one of these takes a combined effort ... shall I say it again?
@Everyone saying that anyone complaining about the PvE/PvP gears:
I'm not worried about it at all, I'm not saying anything about how people want to play to have fun, I'm not saying that people need to enjoy the game the way that I do.
If you read what I say and not infer into it, you'll see that all I want is to have it make more sense. Hell, I'm going after the PvP gears right now, as you can see in another post of mine. Why? Because I know they are guaranteed loot that I can work for on a short-playing basis (i.e. with my lag and my constant disconnects, as well as my shortage of playtime). Assuming I can stay connected I can get at least a piece of non-rated gear a week, and then not long after I get the non-rated I can work on the rated pieces. It just takes time, and ... it only takes ... me! Wow, that keeps coming up here, go figure.
As far as PvP-geared people taking your slot in the raid goes. I guarantee the guy that has spent the few weeks it's take to get rid of his blues & greens will likely take a slot over the guy that is still in blues & greens. Yes that is depending on the class and the gear, but most likely the PvP epics will end up giving better PvE stats despite the PvP stats such as stam/resil taking the place of spirit/int/etc.
Yaddah yaddah yaddah really, we will all play as we prefer to play. I'll still have the same opinions about PvP gears vs. PvE gears. And we'll all still play with our pixels on a daily basis.
This thread was about pre-BC days and I guess this discussion is partly about the same, but to the question of do I miss the pre-BC days?
Emphatically YES I miss the old days a lot.
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Zyncotl
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You don't get it. You act likes it's hard to get people online to raid. In fact I bet when you go to a raid the only thing YOU ACTUALLY DO is log on. If anyone does anything it's NOT YOU but the GUILD OFFICERS who had to ... wait for it... say "Raid tomorrow guys".
Wow, that's amazing difficult. How do you manage to be so superior to someone who does battlegrounds? Oh you have to be online at 8 instead of 8:30 or else you might not get to go. AMAZING and so deserving of better gear than a PvP'er.
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ErikVKing
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| said by Zyncotl :You don't get it. You act likes it's hard to get people online to raid. In fact I bet when you go to a raid the only thing YOU ACTUALLY DO is log on. If anyone does anything it's NOT YOU but the GUILD OFFICERS who had to ... wait for it... say "Raid tomorrow guys". Wow, that's amazing difficult. How do you manage to be so superior to someone who does battlegrounds? Oh you have to be online at 8 instead of 8:30 or else you might not get to go. AMAZING and so deserving of better gear than a PvP'er. Wait for it, wait for it ...........................................
LOL!
I won't even bother telling you how foolish you sound, since you don't really even read what someone posted. Good day sir!
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Zyncotl
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Yes, you're right. It's hard to join a guild and ride coattails. Amazingly challenging.
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Tehuno
join:2005-01-18
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| and then there is sunwell, where you weed out the paste eaters and coattail riders, maybe they can get by kalecgos, but not brutallus +.
seriously though, it is a little more difficult to get people to log on when youve wiped 200+ times to the same boss, people get demoralized, and stop wanting to log on. personally i know we just recruited like 6 new people to fill out.
so please, lets not try and there isnt attendance issues with raiding, because there most certainly is. |
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Omega
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said by Zyncotl :You don't get it. You act likes it's hard to get people online to raid. In fact I bet when you go to a raid the only thing YOU ACTUALLY DO is log on. If anyone does anything it's NOT YOU but the GUILD OFFICERS who had to ... wait for it... say "Raid tomorrow guys". Wow, that's amazing difficult. How do you manage to be so superior to someone who does battlegrounds? Oh you have to be online at 8 instead of 8:30 or else you might not get to go. AMAZING and so deserving of better gear than a PvP'er. Raiding is just more than just getting people online. A lot more. I'm sure you are such an experienced wow player, maybe some Karazhan and season 1 pvp gear?
Raiding requires coordination and general knowledge of boss fights and abilities. And guess what, they are FAR superior than people who only BG in this game. IMO only the pvpers who legitimately reached 2000+ rating are on the same "skill" level in wow as end content raiders.
You try finding a guild and riding their coattails in sunwell. It simply isn't going to happen. In my guild, if you are sucking on a particular night, we remove you from the raid. No "oh give him another chance" screw up or suck and you're out.
and btw, I fully realize it does not take a whole lot of skill to be good in WoW. But raiding and high end pvping does require some. |
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| LOL, please. I generally stay out of these mindless rants but come on... every goddamn boss is going to act the same goddamn way every goddamn time you fight it. THAT is why I find raiding so boring I want to pull my fingernails out just to stay awake. You can go read guides, blah, blah, blah in the end the mob will only act one way.
Go find a guide to fight me.
You want to raid have a ball but don't disparage those of us who find doing the same thing over and over and over the same way every time to be a complete waste of time.
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AB_Lazy
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said by Omega :But raiding and high end pvping does require some. Yes. Staying out of fire and reading your class FAQs take large amounts of skill.
...and LOL @ BG players taking no skill. I had a T6 mage (no, not S4, I know the colors) trying to spam polymorph on me in cat form. Yeeeaaah. You'd think the big honking "Immune" popup the first 2-3 times would've been a giveaway. Was pretty funny seeing him get mulched in no time by a S2 warrior.
Maybe it's different in your guild, but coattail runners are alive and well in all content levels. |
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KCP
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said by Zyncotl :You don't get it. You act likes it's hard to get people online to raid. In fact I bet when you go to a raid the only thing YOU ACTUALLY DO is log on. If anyone does anything it's NOT YOU but the GUILD OFFICERS who had to ... wait for it... say "Raid tomorrow guys". Wow, that's amazing difficult. How do you manage to be so superior to someone who does battlegrounds? Oh you have to be online at 8 instead of 8:30 or else you might not get to go. AMAZING and so deserving of better gear than a PvP'er. i don't know the type of server you play. i don't know what guild you are in. for all i know, you play a PvE server and just do a lot of BGs for your gear. or raiding can come easy for your guild because you have BT on farm. but what you said here makes absolutely no sence because you don't know what server i play on or what guild i am in or what my guild even does. in my guild, it is hard to get anything going. i blame me. i am the guild master of the guild that ErikVKing is in. (at least on my server; he has a hunter on another.) we have a total of 36 members now.
i quit recruiting because i want to get rid of all of the trash alts that most everyone rolls. in my guild, i have 4 dedicated people: ErikVKing, Tehbur, Ktw and myself. i also have people who will come to help with any raid that i want to if i ask.
but raiding isn't an option right now for my guild. too different of schedules doesn't allow.
i second, VKing, you didn't read what he said. you just assumed what he said and flamed.
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@Kingdom:
its easy to depict how each and every class is going to fight their toon just by their spec. healers are going to heal all of those around them, MAYBE try do dps a little. stun lock rogues are still going to keep people stunned while they do massive dps. hunters are still going to send their pets in and drop a trap. dps-ers are still going to do dps.
GIVEN: their movements are going to be a little bit more sparatic, they are still scripted. tell me, do you use a different strategy when you fight EVERY SINGLE PERSON? no! and if you say you do, you lie. you use what works for your class and spec, and you stick to it. tell me i am wrong. |
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Omega
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LOL, please. I generally stay out of these mindless rants but come on... every goddamn boss is going to act the same goddamn way every goddamn time you fight it. THAT is why I find raiding so boring I want to pull my fingernails out just to stay awake. You can go read guides, blah, blah, blah in the end the mob will only act one way.
For the lower level raid content, of course. But the higher end content, not really. Yes, we all know they only have so many abilities, but there is a random factor.
Archimonde - we all know what he can do, but WHERE will his abilities go? That is the challenge. Kalegcos - we know he will port a group, but which group? you have to adapt to the random element. Felmyst - you find out which section of the area will get her breath ability 5 seconds before she does it, this is while you are DPSing 20+ undead.
It is getting the boss to a killable status that makes raiding fun. That random element still exists. I bet Nihilum and SK-gaming still occasionally wipe on bosses due to that simple random element.
And please, PVP is just as cut and dry and PVE. Uh oh, a PVP group. Hmmm...SL/SL lock, frost mage, sub rogue, discipline priest, BM hunter. You know what each one will do (or at least what they are suppose to do). You know which kill order you need to do.
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Zyncotl
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Again, does it matter? Just because you choose to PvE doesn't mean you should get superior gear to a PvPer. Stop whining about how others play the game. You get your gear your way, if someone chooses a different you can a) go do it their way or b) shut up and enjoy the game your way.
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KCP
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said by Zyncotl :said by ErikVKing :Next you will say that you *do* have to work hand-in-hand with others to get the honor. To a point that is true, since winning a BG takes a collective effort of sorts and honor comes faster with winning ... but ... you can still lose every BG you're in and get the gear. Whereas if you "lose" every raid you get nothing. See my point here? So you have no problems with Arena fighting? That takes more than 1 person and always losing will get you nothing. And before you say you still get points.. trash mobs still drop epic loot now and then too and if you never win it'll take forever to get anything. Just because other people are there doesn't mean you did anything worth obtaining gear. Coordinating people to play WoW takes nothing from all but the officers of a guild, and most of the time it takes 1 of them to say "We're raiding" to make it happen or you find a new guild and ride their coattails. Same difference. There is no justification for PvE elitism and acting like it is the only valid way to get the best gear. i apologize for not reading the first page thoroughly. you do have a valid point here. but keep in mind, the guild he is in cannot raid currently. so all him and i do is log in every wednesday (our time) lose 10 times in arena, and get our arena points.
i more recently than not am going heroics. since love to instance, i am going for my badge gear. i'll see how things go with that. |
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Tehuno
join:2005-01-18
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| reply to Zyncotl
want random?
how about where the void sentinel that melee's for 10k and has a 4k aoe is gonna spawn on the m'uru fight?
how about who gets encap on felmyst?
how about who gets portaled on kalecgos? burn on brutallus?
Pve is infinetly harder than random bg's that pvp'ers do to get their gear. high level arenas are a different story, but how random is it really when 90% of the 2's teams are druid/x, or warrior/x.
my warrior is full t6
shaman is full s1/partial s3
rogue is mostly s2.
ive put a million times more effort into getting the warrior geared compared to the other 2, and no less than 30k gold since i started raiding.
its my own choice and i enjoy raiding, but dont try and tell me some random person could come in and tank my side on m'uru, cause they would get fucking wrecked.
at least blizz put ratings on s4, so skillless scrubs can quit thinking they are good because they lost 10 games a week. |
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Omega
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said by Zyncotl :Again, does it matter? Just because you choose to PvE doesn't mean you should get superior gear to a PvPer. Stop whining about how others play the game. You get your gear your way, if someone chooses a different you can a) go do it their way or b) shut up and enjoy the game your way. Yes, it does. Gear should be based on effort put in. PVE gear takes more effort to obtain than PVP gear, thus it should be better. Keep in mind, I have no problem with season 4 arena gear because you need a rating to achieve it, thus you just can't lose 10 games in a row and be in top notch gear. All BG gear requires you to do is be in a BG for X number of hours. You don't have to participate, you don't have to help the team, you don't even have to win. It seems the only challenge is to avoid being tagged AFK.
Do you know what you get if you lose X number of BG games in a row? You get honor and tokens which allow you to buy gear.
Do you know what I get if I wipe to a boss X number of times in a row? A repair bill. |
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