Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
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Re: So much for a Democratic Congress.....
said by Blackened  :And yet you haven't brought crap to the table. A very well made argument indeed. When you feel like actually countering with something useful, let me know.  So what is your solution big boy and frankly, why do I need to supply one? You are the one who is trying to make the case that the US is a seething cauldron of hatred and discrimination, I don't. So don't you think it's incumbent upon you illustrate to us what the solution is? Oh I forget, vote American Socialist Party. Whooop-dee-friggin-doo. |
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Blackened
Your Freedom Fries Are Stale
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said by Asmodeus :said by Blackened :You must not be very good at reading, or just like ranting at people without much point to it. I used that as a means to show (and yes, it's true) that the U.S. is no less guilty because they don't officially write their discrimination into the law books. But since you simply defend this to me says you're just out to wave the flag and defend.. whatever. Some of us actively seek out solutions to problems, others make excuses for them. Right. So your solution is to vote democratic socialist, oh sorry, American Socialist Party. Did I get that right? I'm quite good at reading actually, and I'm even better at filtering out your type of nonsensical sensationalism as a means to illustrate a dire social injustice. You just aren't very good at actually making real or cogent points, but then again, I'm just waiting to actually read what your 'real' solutions are. Also, I don't need to defend any policies made by any government institution. If I have a complaint about anything my government does, I deal with it directly. I go to who represents me and work with them. That's the American way. It's to bad that armchair whiners just sit back and let it go buy and try to use other peoples misfortunes as an example of how bad things really are, when they are not. Evidently to you writing to Barbara Boxer, John Conyers, and actually engaging in discussions on the local news talk station is "armchair whining". You're simply bitter because your institution is turning into shit. Don't worry though. There's enough nukes and freedom fries to go around.
When you come up with a real argument besides these childish character assumptions let me know.
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Conservatives love religious-like aphorisms so here's one: "Freedom isn't free. It's Made in China." |
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ross
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said by Blackened :Well, clearly voting for the same parties gets nowhere. If you want a free market style election (remember how great the free market is?) you need more than two choices, where the rationale for one isn't "because it isn't the other". That would be no choice. I'm sure many at DSLR would understand how much better it is for voters (like consumers) more choices ends up being. If that party affiliates itself doing the same thing, knock that off the list, or, if it's every party, start considering other options. Save your breath, Shoreline, you are arguing with appropriately nicknamed folks who do not understand a thing you say. You can't win them over because they do not "get it", and never will. Hell, they don't even think about what they say, why would they consider what you say? You can not expect someone named "Asmodeus1" to bring anything but the obvious to the table, while the quality of argument from MyDogHasFleas is as afflicted as his dog. Neither seems to realize they have already surrendered the point...repeatedly. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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| said by ross :Save your breath, Shoreline, you are arguing with appropriately nicknamed folks who do not understand a thing you say. You can't win them over because they do not "get it", and never will. Hell, they don't even think about what they say, why would they consider what you say? You can not expect someone named "Asmodeus1" to bring anything but the obvious to the table, while the quality of argument from MyDogHasFleas is as afflicted as his dog. Neither seems to realize they have already surrendered the point...repeatedly. Whoa... how did I get dragged back into this and seared with a snide broadside?
First: My Dog Has Fleas is how you tune a ukelele. Look it up. Then stop dissing my nickname.
Second: Pointing out that communism has failed abysmally everywhere it's been tried is "surrendering the point" and "having no quality of argument" ?? OK so reality means nothing? |
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jhboricua
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1 edit | said by MyDogHsFleas :Second: Pointing out that communism has failed abysmally everywhere it's been tried is "surrendering the point" and "having no quality of argument" ?? OK so reality means nothing? Communism has failed abysmally everywhere? Really?? Because last time I checked, some nation called China has become a force to be reckoned with worldwide. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
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said by Blackened :How does this disprove the U.S. discriminates? Not sure where you're going with this, although it is ironic that Americans are essentially criminals in the fight against who-knows-what "terrorism" abroad, needing to be wiretapped 24/7. Ironic that Americans look down their nose to other countries or denounce them because of their government system, or some perceived lack of freedom, while allowing it to be done locally, and this well-noted hypocrisy (especially well-noted abroad) is somehow okay. If those women did that kind of BS in almost ANY other country, they would be in jail and perceived a threat. How is it they were basically let go by the police in this country.
Just like members of the KKK and members of the radical Mormon Church, idiots who say and do stupid things will be harassed.
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moonpuppy
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said by jhboricua :said by MyDogHsFleas :Second: Pointing out that communism has failed abysmally everywhere it's been tried is "surrendering the point" and "having no quality of argument" ?? OK so reality means nothing? Communism has failed abysmally everywhere? Really?? Because last time I checked, some nation called China has become a force to be reckoned with worldwide. If you dig a little deeper, you will see how China is not a pure communist state. Maybe you missed the small yet rampant pockets of capitalism that is tolerated as a means to gain funding for the government.
And where has communism failed?
Soviet Union
Poland
Hungary
Czechoslovakia
Yugoslavia
East Germany
(multiple other Warsaw Pact nations)
How is North Korea doing? Not very well. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by jhboricua :Communism has failed abysmally everywhere? Really?? Because last time I checked, some nation called China has become a force to be reckoned with worldwide. China is an interesting case. They are sort of making it up as they go. You surely can't call them Communist any more.
The root of Communism is economic -- it's the rejection of capitalism as an economic system, the idea that when the people own the means of production, the state will wither away and a glorius worker's paradise will ensue, where everyone produces according to their abilities, and consumes according to their needs.
What happened in practice is that one small problem was discovered with this utopian vision -- human beings aren't wired this way. Humans strive to own things, and to compete with others in that struggle. When no one owns anything, no one strives. Plus, the state does not wither away, it just gets more and more self-perpetuating and more and more power-expanding.
In China, somehow the state was smart enough to avoid the fate of other Communist nations by opening up economically. This is not Communism... it's more like a modern version of the old Emporers, without succession by heredity, but with absolute power, and with a modern economic vision. Truly a unique construct in the world. |
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badtrip
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said by MyDogHsFleas :said by badtrip :Tell me this: Who is our enemy? Because I would really like to know. yeah, ummm... lemme think... ummmmm... the people who are trying to kill as many of us as possible? oh yeah! That's it! Nice one. Even more of a generality than "the terrorists". |
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MyDogHsFleas
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| said by badtrip :said by MyDogHsFleas :said by badtrip :Tell me this: Who is our enemy? Because I would really like to know. yeah, ummm... lemme think... ummmmm... the people who are trying to kill as many of us as possible? oh yeah! That's it! Nice one. Even more of a generality than "the terrorists". I was trying for sarcasm. To me it is completely obvious what "enemy" means. It means the organization that wishes to kill us. I have no idea why that concept escapes you.
There seems to be this idea that it is our fault that they want to kill us, and therefore they are the good guys, and we are the bad guys. Even without debating this, there is the practical point that we will be dead if we don't defend ourselves.
If you want specifics, I happened to see this prayer published today:
"Oh God, accelerate the destruction of America, Britain, France and Denmark. Oh God, reward the fighters hitting the infidels and defectors. Oh God, guide the youth of the Islamic nation and let them assist with the fighters' plans. God, be pleased with those who want to go for jihad — and blind those who are watching and want to capture them."
It is from Osama Bin Laden's 16-year old son.
Here's another specific, in response to our attempts to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons:
"Tel Aviv and the US fleet in the Persian Gulf would be the targets that would be set on fire in Iran's crushing response," said mid-ranking cleric Ali Shirazi, Khamenei's representative to Iran Revolutionary Guards naval forces. |
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jhboricua
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So they're 95% communist state and their communist party still runs the country. Still looks like a communist regime to me. |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to Blackened
said by Blackened :said by Asmodeus :said by Blackened :You must not be very good at reading, or just like ranting at people without much point to it. I used that as a means to show (and yes, it's true) that the U.S. is no less guilty because they don't officially write their discrimination into the law books. But since you simply defend this to me says you're just out to wave the flag and defend.. whatever. Some of us actively seek out solutions to problems, others make excuses for them. Right. So your solution is to vote democratic socialist, oh sorry, American Socialist Party. Did I get that right? I'm quite good at reading actually, and I'm even better at filtering out your type of nonsensical sensationalism as a means to illustrate a dire social injustice. You just aren't very good at actually making real or cogent points, but then again, I'm just waiting to actually read what your 'real' solutions are. Also, I don't need to defend any policies made by any government institution. If I have a complaint about anything my government does, I deal with it directly. I go to who represents me and work with them. That's the American way. It's to bad that armchair whiners just sit back and let it go buy and try to use other peoples misfortunes as an example of how bad things really are, when they are not. Evidently to you writing to Barbara Boxer, John Conyers, and actually engaging in discussions on the local news talk station is "armchair whining". You're simply bitter because your institution is turning into shit. Don't worry though. There's enough nukes and freedom fries to go around. When you come up with a real argument besides these childish character assumptions let me know. Talk about your childish character assumptions. Self-deluded irony must be your mantra for the day. Actually, I was waiting for you to come up with a real argument instead of the shrill reactionary crap you've been spewing about the evil empire known as America. There are Northern European countries that would easily take you in and follow the very model you like so much. That is a solution right there, but of course, you aren't much a of risk taker considering you copy and paste your deluded hysteria for the rest of us to read. Have a nice day. |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to ross
said by ross :said by Blackened :Well, clearly voting for the same parties gets nowhere. If you want a free market style election (remember how great the free market is?) you need more than two choices, where the rationale for one isn't "because it isn't the other". That would be no choice. I'm sure many at DSLR would understand how much better it is for voters (like consumers) more choices ends up being. If that party affiliates itself doing the same thing, knock that off the list, or, if it's every party, start considering other options. Save your breath, Shoreline, you are arguing with appropriately nicknamed folks who do not understand a thing you say. You can't win them over because they do not "get it", and never will. Hell, they don't even think about what they say, why would they consider what you say? You can not expect someone named "Asmodeus1" to bring anything but the obvious to the table, while the quality of argument from MyDogHasFleas is as afflicted as his dog. Neither seems to realize they have already surrendered the point...repeatedly. Wow, so now my name disqualifies me from engaging in actual discussions with people I disagree with. Frankly, I have considered the motives that shoreline has put forth. After seeing them for the evaporative nonsense they logically became, I discarded them as legitimate ideas. So what happened here? Did shoreline send you a pair of silver plated knee pads that you are now lovingly resting on? |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
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said by jhboricua :So they're 95% communist state and their communist party still runs the country. Still looks like a communist regime to me. If you've ever been to China you will see that Communism is losing it's grip. We already know that the average lifespan of any Communist regime is roughly 75 years. So far China is on track with that and you can see it in the nervous tension that the party leaders are expressing by allowing foreign corporations to enter into China under excellent economic conditions so they can funnel off revenue to build up their technological and military base. |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
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said by Blackened :If I wanted that, I'd move to the UK. And yet, you are distinctly advocating that very thing. How else do you think that Northern European countries including the UK are doing it? Democratic Socialism. Ever been to any of those countries? I have, and while nice places to go, when you look into the seedy underbelly of how they work, you realize the who the boss really is and it isn't the citizen. However, you've clearly indicated that you want to follow in the same vein of Democratic Socialism which translated to real terms is nanny-statism. So what is it, are you or are you not for it? |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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said by MyDogHsFleas :Whoa... how did I get dragged back into this and seared with a snide broadside?... Sorry MyDogHasFleas, I meant to name moonpuppy, not you. Somehow, between reading the subject posts, and posting a response, I mixed up the names.
The primary topic I was addressing was the subject of racism, and racial profiling of middle eastern males in particular, and the violation of their civil rights by the U.S. government. Asmodeus1 and moonpuppy both used examples of racism and discrimination against men and women of middle eastern descent and appearance, including their own racial biases re middle easterners and muslims in general, to elucidate the proposition that the U.S. government does not discriminate, or persecute these people. Not too bright...
The minor topic was Shoreline's point that continuing to vote the Rems and Dems into office is not accomplishing much in this era of greed and corruption. Additionally, Shoreline wasn't arguing communism, as in Russian communism, but socialism, and other political philosophies, as a viable alternative to the mono-faced politics of the Republican and Democratic Parties. |
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ross
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said by Asmodeus :Wow, so now my name disqualifies me from engaging in actual discussions with people I disagree with. Frankly, I have considered the motives that shoreline has put forth. After seeing them for the evaporative nonsense they logically became, I discarded them as legitimate ideas. So what happened here? Did shoreline send you a pair of silver plated knee pads that you are now lovingly resting on? Not your name, but your attitude and argument. I simply used your nickname as a metaphor for the quality of your discourse; no better example than the last sentence of your post referenced above. |
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MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
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OK apology accepted, you mixed up the dogs. lol
on the topic of racism... I can't help but think that this is being used against us.
I am definitely not a conspiracy theorist, but I don't see how you can draw any other conclusion than they are trying to provoke and test our security, and to use our own sensitivity to racism and profiling to supress our security teams' responsiveness.
If you look at what the "flying Imams" and this other group who parked out by the airport did, it's quite likely they were behaving suspiciously on purpose. No one would do what they did in the normal course of life.
Then, when they are rounded up and investigated, what's the first thing that happens? Lawsuits and a big PR push screaming profiling and racism.
This accomplishes two goals: one, they now know much more about what our responses are to their behavior; and two, they dampen and supress those responses by creating sensitivities in our security forces to investigating suspicious behavior by Muslims or Middle-Eastern looking people. |
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moonpuppy
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said by jhboricua :So they're 95% communist state and their communist party still runs the country. Still looks like a communist regime to me. The communists may still run China but they are by no means communist. There is so much free trade there, they might as well be any totalitarian type of government. If you are a member of a certain religion, you get executed.
They have even stopped their massive executions of people until the Olympics are over with. |
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