[Rant] Doesn't that stink! in Rants, Raves, and Praise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20759770 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:56:10 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:56:10 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833828 anon :
said by Maccawolf See Profile :

said by Drinkn Derive :

And yet, I see no campaigns to curb these behaviors or to throw those people in jail until they (God forbid) decide that their all-important cell phone call can wait a while.
No, I suppose NO STATE has passed laws forbidding the use of hand-held devices while driving...
You know, I'd appreciate it if you'd actually take the time to actually read what I write. Because if you did, you'd see that I addressed this point in my original post.

The hands-free laws for cell phone users are nothing less than complete hyprocrisy. The entire rationale given for getting drunk drivers off the road is that these drivers are "impaired" and therefore pose a potential danger to their fellow drivers, pedestrians, etc.

But someone trying to drive and talk on a cell phone at the same time is also suffering from an "impairment." That is, their attention is divided between their phone call and what is going on in the roadway in front of them. Speaking as a cyclist, I don't care where a motorist's hands are: I care about where their attention is. As the old saying goes, you can't do two things at once.

And these hands-free laws are nothing less than an endorsement of "impaired" driving by the State. The only difference being that cell phone users have the cell phone companies bribing politicians on their behalf to vote for laws that will allow cell phone users to continue to drive with their attention on two things at once (sorry, I meant to say "making campaign contributions" instead of "bribing politicians"). Meanwhile, MADD keeps wanting to lower the BAC threshold so that the legal definition of "drunk" is met by more and more people.

IOW: one type of "impairment" (drunk driving) is deemed unlawful by the State, while the other (talking on a cell phone) is deemed "officially" okay. If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

But my point is that the assumption is made that drunk drivers are automatically going cause an accident, even though they have a strong incentive to get both themselves and their vehicle home in one piece.

However, if you want to criminalize any behavior that could possibly lead to an accident, (as drunk driving crusaders want to do) then it's only fair steps should be taken to ensure that other conditions that might negatively impact somone's driving should fall under the heading of "criminal behavior," too, right? For instance, if someone drives with only four hours sleep, shouldn't they be arrested? Likewise, if I've just had a fight with my girlfriend, should I be allowed to get behind the wheel? Perhaps we can agree that driving while suffering from lack of sleep or an upset emotional state can also be deemed "driving while impaired."

The whole anti-drunk driving crusade has taken us down a road where behavior that has not harmed anyone is deemed criminal merely because there is a potential that it might harm someone. Again, if someone causes an accident or kills someone, they should be held liable for doing so. But we need to get the government out of the risk-management business because the potential for risk in any given human activity is limitless.

The OP's point is that law enforcement is now seeking to cost-shift and get everyone to pay for "needed" increased law enforcement. But the reason why this increased law enforcement is deemed necessary in the first place is because more and more bahavior is falling under the heading of "criminal," even though no one has been harmed by it.

If you think getting a dollar (likely more) tacked onto your water bill for drunk drivers is ridiculous, you ain't seen nothing yet. Maybe they could tack on another $5 to fund busting more pot smokers, too. After all, if billing water users for busting "drunk" drivers (and just what does the latter to do with the former?) is A-OK, the sky is the limit.

This is nothing but cost-shifting at its very worst. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833828 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:59:18 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829912 Maccawolf :
said by Drinkn Derive :

And yet, I see no campaigns to curb these behaviors or to throw those people in jail until they (God forbid) decide that their all-important cell phone call can wait a while.
No, I suppose NO STATE has passed laws forbidding the use of hand-held devices while driving...
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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

Come back and post the same ANONYMOUSLY after three of your friends are killed by a drunk driver....
Sorry, but that isn't an argument of any kind. It is, instead, a cheap-shot emotional appeal.

MADD uses the exact same type of emotional appeal to push through legislation that lowers the BAC threshold at which a driver is considered "drunk." If you visit the MADD website, you'll find it's long on emotional appeals, short on logic.

Likewise, my posting anonymously has nothing to do with whether or not my posts have the ring of truth about them. My posts are there for all to see, and must stand or fall according to their own merits. The worthiness of an idea has nothing to do with the character of its sponsor.

And if you go back and read what I wrote, I did indeed say that anyone driving drunk who gets into an accident should be prosecuted and made to pay for the damage they cause.

But, again, there is nothing inherently criminal about having a few beers and then getting behind the wheel. It is a choice that the particular individual is making and it is up to them to make it home safely....or pay for any damage they may cause. But my point is that unless they get into an accident their behavior is not criminal in nature and harms no one. All I am looking for is for people to start acknowledging that fact rather than treating drunk drivers as de facto murderers when they have done nothing of the kind.

I appreciate that people are indeed killed by drunk drivers. But that doesn't change the fact that people driving on too little sleep, driving while upset, or driving whilst talking on a cell phone are also "impaired" and have the potential to cause accidents as well.

And yet, I see no campaigns to curb these behaviors or to throw those people in jail until they get enough sleep, calm down, or (God forbid) decide that their all-important cell phone call can wait a while.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829653 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:52:22 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829579 Maccawolf : Come back and post the same ANONYMOUSLY after three of your friends are killed by a drunk driver....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829579 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:03:43 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829393 anon :
said by Acc708 See Profile :

Would you rather save a buck now and pay thousands for funeral arrangements, medical costs, insurance rates because they leave them on the street?
Whoa, Nelly.

The common hysteria surrounding drinking and driving seems to hold that the probability of drinking and then operating a motor vehicle produce a probability of 1 (complete certainty) when it comes to assigning a probability of that driver getting into an accident resulting in an injury/fatality.

Well, as near as I can make out, someone having a few beers and then operating a motor vehicle is no more "impaired" than someone who has gotten too little sleep, has just had a fight with their boy/girlfriend, or is currently chattering away on their cell phone whilst navigating traffic.

All of these are also conditions that are going to impair ones judgment. Should we conduct campaigns to jail people who insist on driving on less than eight hours sleep? Or perhaps we can require new cars to give drivers tests to determine their emotional state before the ignition will work?

There is nothing inherently wrong with having a few beers and then getting behind the wheel. I'm not sure exactly when people got it into their heads that it is, but it most assuredly is not.

I agree that if someone chooses to drink and drive and does cause an accident that they should be held liable for any damage they cause. But people need to stop pretending that lives were, in fact, saved by taking a drunk off the road when there is no concrete evidence that said drunk would not have made it home safely on their own.

The cheerful hypocrisy of the State was made quite clear to me when I was told that California now has a hands-free law for cell phone users. Speaking as a cyclist, I could care less where a given motorists' hands are. Instead, I care where their attention is, and someone talking on a cell phone does not have their full attention on the road and their surroundings.

That hands-free law is the State's way of telling us that they, in fact, are perfectly happy to endorse people driving in an "impaired" condition. Provided, of course, you have a lobby behind you to buy off the appropriate politicians so that activities like talking on a cell phone whilst driving are deemed "officially" A-OK whilst having a few beers before driving is deemed The Work of the Devil.

Please.

said by Acc708 See Profile :

Look at the big picture. For twelve dollars a year, you are keeping unsafe people off the street.
Again, you're assigning a probability of 1 to the likelihood of someone having a few beers, then driving and getting into an accident.

How is someone who has a few beers before they drive any more "impaired" than someone sleep-deprived, in a disturbed emotional state, or trying to talk to someone on their cell phone while in traffic?

said by Acc708 See Profile :

I only wish more places would do this, then perhaps criminals would actually be afraid of the consequences.
Sorry, but I cannot agree.

The whole anti drunk-driving crusade is nothing more than another attempt to criminalize non-criminal behavior. Until someone does, in fact, cause an accident, their having a few beers and then driving does not negatively impact you in any way.

However, if you enjoy paying for the increased law enforcement efforts required as the result of the criminalization of non-criminal acts, you can look forward to paying for all of the expenses involved in putting everyone in jail who poses the slightest risk (either real or imagined) to those around them.

That's what happens when people want their government to get into the risk-management business. As for me, I can see where all this is going and I am not one of those people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829393 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:38:51 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20828171 scelli :
said by jwersan See Profile :

I know, while the lowly enlisted may not think the same, I enjoyed that the bases usually were a huge step UP from the surrounding area.

What with all the "cost cutting", read decimation of the military, they don't look so nice anymore.

I guess I was lucky, because my father was a TSGT in the air-force by the time I can remember anything... :D
Air Force, huh? Hey, I flew MAC hops in/out of many a USAF CONUS base as well as many others outside The Land of the Big PX. Certainly remember McGuire AFB quite well, because I grew up in NY and it was my home of record all the years I spent on active duty from '70-'81. If I recall, though, Wrightstown (sp?) was an armpit. Had to stay overnight one time in the USAF NCO transient quarters at McGuire back in the early 1970's and checked the bars in the ville out.

What a sleazeball town! :D!
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said by scelli See Profile :

said by jwersan See Profile :

said by TrainBuff See Profile :

When I was a kid and lived on Military bases, they were beautiful, sometime oasis's compared to the surrounding area.

Give me a nice big military base any day! :D

»www.mcguiredixuc.com/
The bases may have been an "oasis" ( :huh: :uhh:) to young military dependents, however I assure you those government reservations got that way due to enlisted personnel billeted there who were constantly being detailed to keep it policed up in a neat, clean military manner at all times.
I know, while the lowly enlisted may not think the same, I enjoyed that the bases usually were a huge step UP from the surrounding area.

What with all the "cost cutting", read decimation of the military, they don't look so nice anymore.

I guess I was lucky, because my father was a TSGT in the air-force by the time I can remember anything... :D
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said by jwersan See Profile :

said by TrainBuff See Profile :

When I was a kid and lived on Military bases, they were beautiful, sometime oasis's compared to the surrounding area.

Give me a nice big military base any day! :D

»www.mcguiredixuc.com/
The bases may have been an "oasis" ( :huh: :uhh:) to young military dependents, however I assure you those government reservations got that way due to enlisted personnel billeted there who were constantly being detailed to keep it policed up in a neat, clean military manner at all times.
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said by Acc708 See Profile :

Would you rather save a buck now and pay thousands for funeral arrangements, medical costs, insurance rates because they leave them on the street?
As long as it's the offender's funeral cost, I'm okay with that. Hell I'll give you $5 for that. $5 now, saves tens of thouands in jail costs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827061 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:31:52 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20782277 TrainBuff : There are numerous federal statues on the books that allows them to seize any property that is used in any drug transactions, even remotely. It doesn't matter who owns the car. If drugs are found in it, it can be seized. The statues have been challenged many times, but always been upheld.
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said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by RangerTX See Profile :

You don't own the vehicle. Cops can't a property that is not yours. Doing that, would constitute a theft.
So if i have 10 kilos of cocaine in a rental car, they cant seize the car with the drugs? i dont think so.
if a felony is commited, the car is gone whether or not you own it.
You will be arrested, 10 kilos will be confiscated as evidence and car will be returned to rightful owner. No they will not sell that car.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20782111 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:27:59 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20781590 dvd536 :
said by TrainBuff See Profile :

jwersan...when you're in the military, at times, you have a different view of the base.
Ft. Dix is a nice base. But when you are there taking basic , you look at it differently then if you are permanent party.
I agree. basic sucks no matter where it is.
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said by RangerTX See Profile :

You don't own the vehicle. Cops can't a property that is not yours. Doing that, would constitute a theft.
So if i have 10 kilos of cocaine in a rental car, they cant seize the car with the drugs? i dont think so.
if a felony is commited, the car is gone whether or not you own it.
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Ft. Dix is a nice base. But when you are there taking basic , you look at it differently then if you are permanent party. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20779491 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:11:00 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20776595 jwersan :
said by prweegar :

said by jwersan See Profile :

Is that the guy who makes them wear pink and feeds then balognoa sandwiches!?!?!?
If so, I LOVE THAT GUY!!!!!
he's also the Sheriff that does immigration sweeps through out the greater Phoenix area. He really pisses off the mexican community and the liberals. Yes, ya gotta love the guy. The only law enforcement chief with balls to go after the illegals.
What I love is that no matter how many times they try to argue he is doing something wrong, it turns out he is following the "letter" of the law and is NOT violating anything.

He was required to give them access to cable TV, but he has it limited to only a few stations like PBS. etc...
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said by jwersan See Profile :

Is that the guy who makes them wear pink and feeds then balognoa sandwiches!?!?!?
If so, I LOVE THAT GUY!!!!!
he's also the Sheriff that does immigration sweeps through out the greater Phoenix area. He really pisses off the mexican community and the liberals. Yes, ya gotta love the guy. The only law enforcement chief with balls to go after the illegals.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20776113 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:55:21 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20775735 jwersan :
said by TrainBuff See Profile :

There are many areas of New Jersey that are quite beautiful. Lots of nice towns and outdoor stuff to do.
And no, I'm not from the state nor lived there except for my 8 week basic training at Ft. Dix.
When I was a kid and lived on Military bases, they were beautiful, sometime oasis's compared to the surrounding area.

Give me a nice big military base any day! :D

»www.mcguiredixuc.com/
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In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20775735 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:45:06 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20775649 TrainBuff : There are many areas of New Jersey that are quite beautiful. Lots of nice towns and outdoor stuff to do.
And no, I'm not from the state nor lived there except for my 8 week basic training at Ft. Dix. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20775649 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:32:33 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20775048 ArgyleDSL :
said by Maccawolf See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

• In Arkansas, a part of the 10% rental car tax goes toward teachers' salaries.
Who would go to ARKANSAS???????
I thought you would say "They have teachers!" :)
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that's armpit of the NATION, and don't you forget it...LOL
Click for full size
:-)
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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

• In Arkansas, a part of the 10% rental car tax goes toward teachers' salaries.
Who would go to ARKANSAS???????
Who would choose to live in JERSEY, the armpit of the east?! :p

Arkansas has some nice towns/areas, Little Rock is nice, and lots of outdoorsy stuff to do if you like that sort of thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20774084 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:09:09 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20773877 TrainBuff :
said by Maccawolf See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

• In Arkansas, a part of the 10% rental car tax goes toward teachers' salaries.
Who would go to ARKANSAS???????
The Clintons? :D
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said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

• In Arkansas, a part of the 10% rental car tax goes toward teachers' salaries.
Who would go to ARKANSAS???????
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said by dvd536 See Profile :

City of phoenix to add a dollar[or more] to water bills to pay for increased costs of jailing those caught extreme DUI.
HELLO!!!! Why should law abiding citizens foot the bill for these asshats that want to drink and drive. Grrrrrrrr!
...Or they should add a surcharge to car rental fees. Hits out of towners the most.



Increasingly, governments are viewing taxes and fees on its cars as a primary option for local civic projects that the rental industry says should be funded locally: sports stadiums, art centers and convention centers.

"It's taken on a wave of popularity," says Richard Broome, a vice president at Hertz. "It's politically expedient to tax out-of-towners because the presumption is that they don't vote."...

Enterprise estimates about 80 special car rental taxes — not including airport fees — have been imposed across the USA, and at least 44 proposals are pending. Some examples:

• To pay for a performing arts center and expand a culinary institute, Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, approved legislation last year to charge car renters 2% of the base price.

• In Dallas, renters pay a 5% charge to help pay for the American Airlines Center, home of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks.

• In Arkansas, a part of the 10% rental car tax goes toward teachers' salaries.

• In Wisconsin and several municipalities, the rental car tax is a key funding source for public transportation projects. "It's like taxing Pepsi to build a Coke manufacturing plant," Broome says....

»www.usatoday.com/travel/destinat···at_x.htm

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said by Maccawolf See Profile :

I believe bread and water was started for prisoners because it's sustenance, and it's CHEAP.....
What--no steak and lobster?

Oh the humanity.
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Oh well, they have their hearts in the right place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771994 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:44:54 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771964 TrainBuff : NYS calls is DWI. .08 BAC or higher or other evidence of intoxication. You should read the fines and such on the NYS DMV website. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771964 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:39:20 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771815 Maccawolf : OH, only if arrested huh? What does it take in NY to get arrested for DUI?????

they're too lenient there in that I feel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771815 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:08:06 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771628 TrainBuff :
said by Maccawolf See Profile :

Please do and let me know. I heard about this a few years ago.....
I checked. The title holder of the car who is arrested for DUI can have his car seized in NYS. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771628 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:33:55 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771526 RangerTX :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by RangerTX See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
Hard to seize a vehicle, if it's a lease vehicle.
not really, you're still on the hook for the car with the leasing company.
You don't own the vehicle. Cops can't a property that is not yours. Doing that, would constitute a theft.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771526 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:08:34 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771289 Maccawolf : I believe bread and water was started for prisoners because it's sustenance, and it's CHEAP.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771289 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:17:20 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771236 jwersan :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

they're lucky its not just bread/water
I always thought "Bread and Water" was just a bland diet.
It actually turns out to be a "torture" diet, because the combination of the two causes the prisoner to become constipated, resulting in gastric distress! :D

BREAD & WATER FOR EVERYONE!!! :D :p
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said by RangerTX See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
Hard to seize a vehicle, if it's a lease vehicle.
not really, you're still on the hook for the car with the leasing company.
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I know of vehicles that were seized as drugs were found in them. I was informed my people in the know, it doesn't matter if you own the vehicle, borrowed it or leased it. If drugs are found it the vehicle, it will be seized.
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said by jwersan See Profile :

Is that the guy who makes them wear pink and feeds then balognoa sandwiches!?!?!?
If so, I LOVE THAT GUY!!!!!
That be the guy[i'll vote for him again!]
and its green bologna[they're lucky its not just bread/water]
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said by TrainBuff See Profile :

said by Maccawolf See Profile :

Don't they do that in NY? and yet I still hear almost ddaily of drunk driving fatalities...
I never heard of a vehicle being seized for a DUI. The vehicle is towed to a impound lot. I know that they have seized vehicles if drugs were found in them. But regarding DUI, I'm going to ask couple of Police Officers that I work with.
Nassau WAS doing just that, impounding the car until the outcome of the trial, but they caved BIGTIME!!!! :mad: :mad:
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In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771143 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:50:35 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771138 RangerTX :
said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
Hard to seize a vehicle, if it's a lease vehicle. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771138 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:49:21 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771135 Technogeez : X2 on the seizure and auction!!!

Auction after being convicted, that is... I've known people arrested without being DUI...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771135 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:48:23 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771119 TrainBuff :
said by Maccawolf See Profile :

Don't they do that in NY? and yet I still hear almost ddaily of drunk driving fatalities...
I never heard of a vehicle being seized for a DUI. The vehicle is towed to a impound lot. I know that they have seized vehicles if drugs were found in them. But regarding DUI, I'm going to ask couple of Police Officers that I work with.
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Train Yourself To Relax...Ride The New Haven Railroad! Weather or No...Go New Haven!
The New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co.:1872-1968. Serving New York and the Great Industrial States of Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771119 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:46:11 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771078 DivineDark : Unfortunately they can only bill criminals with fines when they get caught breaking the law. They can bill you monthly! :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771078 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:38:32 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771071 Maccawolf : Don't they do that in NY? and yet I still hear almost ddaily of drunk driving fatalities...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771071 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:37:33 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771033 smcallah :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

Well they need to get that $12 from the OFFENDER in the form of an increased surcharge. THEY do the crime, THEY should do the time and PAY for being JAILED.
They'd need to get a lot more than $12 from the offender. Since they are collecting from all paying water customers. Unless we are to assume that all paying water customers are also arrested drunk drivers and it will all be paid for by the offenders.

They can fine the offenders more than $12, but there is no guarantee that they'll pay or be able to afford to pay. And there is a guarantee that water customers will pay, unless they no longer want water.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20771033 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:30:49 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768615 ptrowski :
said by jwersan See Profile :

Is that the guy who makes them wear pink and feeds then balognoa sandwiches!?!?!?
If so, I LOVE THAT GUY!!!!!
That would be him. He is in Maricopa country. I have followed him since the mid-90's and really respect him and his ideas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768615 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:11:05 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768277 Maytime74 :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

Why should law abiding citizens foot the bill for these asshats that want to drink and drive. Grrrrrrrr!
Because jailing the criminals will keep you and others safer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768277 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:29:13 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767303 jwersan :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by jwersan See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
There you go! :D
Exactly what should happen!

I am also NOT averse to using prison labor to help repay the costs to "house" them! :D

Chain Gangs anyone!?!?!
We have those here in arpaio's jails
Is that the guy who makes them wear pink and feeds then balognoa sandwiches!?!?!?
If so, I LOVE THAT GUY!!!!!
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In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767303 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:27:17 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766102 dvd536 :
said by jwersan See Profile :

said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
There you go! :D
Exactly what should happen!

I am also NOT averse to using prison labor to help repay the costs to "house" them! :D

Chain Gangs anyone!?!?!
We have those here in arpaio's jails
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said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
They do that if its a felony stop. they seize then offer to let you buy it back.
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said by ArgyleDSL See Profile :

Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.
There you go! :D
Exactly what should happen!

I am also NOT averse to using prison labor to help repay the costs to "house" them! :D

Chain Gangs anyone!?!?!
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In constant search for intelligent life on Earth!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765200 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:41:07 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20763157 ArgyleDSL : Or they should seize the vehicles and auction it off to recoup the expenses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20763157 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:28:59 EDT Re: [Rant] Doesn't that stink! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761977 dvd536 :
said by Acc708 See Profile :

Would you rather save a buck now and pay thousands for funeral arrangements, medical costs, insurance rates because they leave them on the street? Look at the big picture. For twelve dollars a year, you are keeping unsafe people off the street. I only wish more places would do this, then perhaps criminals would actually be afraid of the consequences.
Well they need to get that $12 from the OFFENDER in the form of an increased surcharge. THEY do the crime, THEY should do the time and PAY for being JAILED.
the general public already pays for police and jails via taxes.
if you make the crime prohibitively expensive and charge them the fees, maybe they'll think twice before getting behind the wheel.
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HELLO!!!! Why should law abiding citizens foot the bill for these asshats that want to drink and drive. Grrrrrrrr!
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