Re: Absolutely in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20760265 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:24:57 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:24:57 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768274 fiberguy : ComCAST's price in my area are about the same.. and I still find it a good deal. I'd go out and price an HD box on your own, to purchase, and see how much the trade off is. (Hint: The cost of an HD box, to an MSO that buys them by the truck load, is about $500 or more, each)

Also, consider the fact that they do break, the hassle of having to have them serviced, be with out, and when new technology comes out, you'd have to buy new ones.. again, the rental isn't that bad.

For the record, I have 6 televisions in the house and they are all HD. I know it costs, but, we're still in the early adopting stage. Most homes still only have just one HDTV in the house, and few have more than one.

Value, I suppose, if going to depend on WHO is the one asking that question.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20768274 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:28:05 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764532 MemphisPCGuy : While I understand Comcast does not have to make the switch, they are working on it per this news snippet;
Add Comcast to the list of providers getting very serious about dumping all those bandwidth hogging analog channels and plans to go all digital in 20% of its markets by year's end, and all by 2010. Of course it will have to provide free digital adapters for analog customers per the FCC, but by dropping ~70 analog channels, it'll free up enough space for about 150 HD channels
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions. I am really just curious and had not meant for this to be a lengthy drawn out discussion, just some things that occured to me and figgered this was a good a place as any to ask :)
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764532 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:42:36 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20764243 Boogeyman : Digital SD and analog SD are both ~480i, IIRC. And most of the tv I've seen lately in SD is still 4:3.

I dont remember where I read this, but it was somewhere around only 30% of the tv viewing public has a widescreen HDTV. So until it gets over 50%, I doubt you'll see a migration from SD to HD in broadcast/cable.

The HDTV you have plugged into analog cable will still receive the same analog signal its getting now from your cable company. Until your cable company decides to go all digital or you switch your service to the digital offering, you will still get the analog signal. Remember, Only Full Power OVA broadcasters have to switch to digital on Feb 2009. Smaller stations dont have to make the switch and can still use analog if they want, for a time. And cable/satellite isnt affected at all on Feb 2009.

When I said "No. Well, in my experience OVA HD is better than cable HD. I had said OVA SD compaired to cable HD." I was asking if you meant compairing OVA SD to cable HD service. Which it seems you are. So my answer to that is its not the same. SD is still SD and HD is still HD, no matter how its piped to your house. If you have a cable box that upscales (I've never heard of one, but I havent heard of a lot of things) its still SD being upscaled and not true HD.
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said by Boogeyman See Profile :

said by MemphisPCGuy See Profile :
No. Well, in my experience OVA HD is better than cable HD. I had said OVA SD compaired to cable HD.
Exactly my point, I've never seen SD Digital unless you count Perry Mason upscaled to 1080i by my local affiliate. Is it because I have a HDTV and a $5 set of Rabbit ears?

I guess my question boils down to this. After Feb 2009, if I turn on the HDTV I have in my spare bedroom, that currently just has a Cable plugged into it, getting whatever analog is available... what resolution are the Digital channels going to be in? Will I get a picture at all? Will I have to finally call and add that TV to the "system"? Will the cable company scale down all DTV channels to be 4:3 480i or 16:9 480p regardless of the format they were produced in?
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20762529 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:39:39 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20762409 Boogeyman :
said by MemphisPCGuy See Profile :

said by Boogeyman See Profile :

Are you trying to imply that OTA Standard Definition Digital is as good of quality as cable's digital HD?
Is there a difference between OTA 720/1080 and Cable HD 720/1080 programming?
No. Well, in my experience OVA HD is better than cable HD. I had said OVA SD compaired to cable HD.
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I have no choice in cable companies either. It's Sat or Hargray. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20761996 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:51:24 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760907 anon :
said by fiberguy See Profile :

They DO rent an HD converter, but that fee is for the equipment itself. Considering you'd need to purchase a box on your own for a few hundred, the $5 rental fee isn't too bad.
I don't know what Comcrap's prices are in your area, but where I live the HD equipment fee is $6 for digital customers and $10 for non-digital customers PLUS the fee for the SD box. They waive the fee for the first box, so if you had 3 HDTVs it would be $6 + $12.95 + $12.95 = $31.90 for digital customers and $10 + $16.95 + $16.95 = $43.90 for non-digital customers. $382.80/$526.80 per year is not exactly good IMO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760907 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:01:47 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760298 MemphisPCGuy : Cable Boxes scale to your highest (or lowest) resolution. Since OTA channels now broadcast the Tonight show in 16:9 1080i resolutions are people not going to be able to watch it if they don't get a HDTV? I assume the Digital Converter boxes are going to scale the output and is what justifies the $40-80+ cost.
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760298 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:47:41 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760273 Drex :
said by MemphisPCGuy See Profile :

I think what I'm trying to say is at what point will there cease to be a HD and NON-HD version of a channel.
When everyone has an HD TV?
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said by Boogeyman See Profile :

Are you trying to imply that OTA Standard Definition Digital is as good of quality as cable's digital HD?
Is there a difference between OTA 720/1080 and Cable HD 720/1080 programming?
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760265 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:41:31 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760227 MemphisPCGuy :
said by EPS See Profile :

You're absolutely wrong. There is SD Digital and HD Digital, and both types of signals will remain after the transition. The analog OTA signals (which are only in SD) will disappear.
That's what I'm asking, why would they transmit them seperately... except to charge me more? The "HD" Channels are mixed original 480i content and newer HD 720+ content, the OTA broadcasters are doing the same. What's the point?
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760227 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:35:02 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760144 EPS : You're absolutely wrong. There is SD Digital and HD Digital, and both types of signals will remain after the transition. The analog OTA signals (which are only in SD) will disappear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20760144 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:19:19 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759967 jester121 : Must be a local thing, no Comcast contracts here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759967 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:48:14 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759714 fiberguy : "Digital" and "HD" are two different things and shouldn't be confused with each other.

The switch on the OTA side is from analog to digital only. Some stations actually do not broadcast in HD while they do broadcast in digital.

As for HD surcharges, many do charge for it as a premium, and I think that's wrong. Dish, DirecTV, Charter, and others treat it as a way to get an extra $10 a month. Comcast doesn't, in the majority of it's systems, charge for an HD tier. You get what comes with your tier of programming. They DO rent an HD converter, but that fee is for the equipment itself. Considering you'd need to purchase a box on your own for a few hundred, the $5 rental fee isn't too bad. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759714 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:04:36 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759705 SLD : I could never use the VOD service either. Needless to say, Comcast isn't receiving that extra $100/mo from me for cable service anymore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759705 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:03:56 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759698 MemphisPCGuy : I think what I'm trying to say is at what point will there cease to be a HD and NON-HD version of a channel. Once everyone is forced to accept digital media, why have Sci-Fi and Sci-fi HD for example?
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759698 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:02:33 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759258 moonpuppy :
said by flashcore See Profile :

I never bothered to call because I knew what the problem was, the same problem still exists now for my neighbor who signed up for a 2 year contract instead of moving to FiOS like the rest of us on the block. I now enjoy VOD whenever I want, I also enjoy a much better picture quality and faster Internet that is never down.
I have to say the picture quality of FIOS is WAY better than Comcast but their VOD is much slower than Comcast (at least in my area.) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759258 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:46:31 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759032 Boogeyman : Are you trying to imply that OTA Standard Definition Digital is as good of quality as cable's digital HD? Or are you misinformed in thinking that the Feb '09 digital switch means that all signals will be HD?
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but for some reason i doubt the entire block as FiOS service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20759011 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:03:51 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758842 banditws6 : Yeah, I would get that error message on occasion too. VOD really just because useless to me because you could never count on it to work when you wanted to watch something -- which was in direct opposition to how Comcast markets it, ironically.
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said by MemphisPCGuy See Profile :

How much more "Extra" do we need to be paying for HDTV. When does it become "standard"? Feb 2009? Will the HD surcharges ever be removed from my bill :)
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Eventually everything will be HD and thus any extra fees for HD should be rendered moot, but that's a long way off.

When I said "pay extra," what I really meant was increased cable rates, if they should become necessary to support the infrastructure that Comcast would need to invest in to deliver a real quality service. Not another HD package charge.
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Not like I expect them to stop, mind you :)
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758827 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:33:14 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758773 Ahrenl : Now that you've all moved over to FIOS your remaining neighbor should be fine though, right? :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758773 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:25:29 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758770 imrf :
said by MemphisPCGuy See Profile :

When does it become "standard"? Feb 2009?
HD isn't becoming a "standard" in Feb of 2009. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758770 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:24:35 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758740 flashcore :
said by banditws6 See Profile :

I completely agree. Especially because a lot of Comcast's VOD content is either pay-per-view or cannot be watched unless you subscribe to a premium channel package like HBO or Showtime. I also find that VOD content often breaks up, stalls or macroblocks as it streams to my STB.
Consider yourself lucky that you could even watch HD VOD. When I was a Comcast user I could NEVER use there VOD unless it was around 3-5am, the node I was on was always overloaded so I always received an error that said to call them for more information (when you have 300+ people on a node and only dedicate 2-3 QAM blocks for VOD this is the shit that happens). I never bothered to call because I knew what the problem was, the same problem still exists now for my neighbor who signed up for a 2 year contract instead of moving to FiOS like the rest of us on the block. I now enjoy VOD whenever I want, I also enjoy a much better picture quality and faster Internet that is never down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758740 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:20:05 EDT Re: Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758731 MemphisPCGuy : How much more "Extra" do we need to be paying for HDTV. When does it become "standard"? Feb 2009? Will the HD surcharges ever be removed from my bill :)
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»MemphisPCGuy.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758731 Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:19:13 EDT Absolutely http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20758601 banditws6 :
said by Thomas Eagan :
"I think HD channels are more important than HD choices," Eagan told Multichannel News. "I think people want HD channels, not just HD On Demand."

I completely agree. Especially because a lot of Comcast's VOD content is either pay-per-view or cannot be watched unless you subscribe to a premium channel package like HBO or Showtime. I also find that VOD content often breaks up, stalls or macroblocks as it streams to my STB.

I count myself amongst those who would rather have a wider selection of HD channels (like FX HD, for example) available. Where I would pay extra for that, I will not pay extra for VOD.
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