Rick
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| This was a joint press release....
Not a technical paper.
In the business world one wouldn't expect them to include technical specifics in a press release of that sort.
I also wouldn't expect Comcast to spell out how they do anything technically related anyway. Nothing like handing over to their competitors free technical advise if they did.
Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly.
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ptrowski
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Rick
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July 9th, @01:34PM
| said by ptrowski  :AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. I know numerous people with vonage using it over comcasts lines the last year.
Not a single one ever had a problem.
Do you have any facts to support your rampant speculation? |
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| said by Rick :said by ptrowski :AKA Comcast admitting they were messing with Vonage VoIP calls. I know numerous people with vonage using it over comcasts lines the last year. Not a single one ever had a problem. Do you just run around making things up or what? Check the Vonage forums here and vongage-forums.com
So Comcast just for giggles decides to have this press release with them? Come on.
I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true".
Nice edit of your post, glad I quoted it.
Here is just some threads from our Vonage forums...
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Rick
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| said by ptrowski :I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". I'd say my reasoning which is based on personal knowledge of these people and their vonage service and Comcast connection is far superior to your source which seems to be
"check the post of some stranger in a forum".
You're so quick to assess blame on comcast apparently without considering at all the fact that who knows what their real issue was? Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks.
Instead..you turn that into "Comcast admitting that they're messing with VOIP calls".
Quite the leap there on your part if you ask me. |
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TK Junk Mail
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said by Rick :Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. And that is the point. Vonage knows that they will get QOS routing thru the network.
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Rick
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| said by TK Junk Mail :said by Rick :Apparently Vonage is happy with what they're doing. Enough so to make this announcement jointly. And that is the point. Vonage knows that they will get QOS routing thru the network. Nice for them. But that hardly addresses the entire premise that Vonage is based on..routing through any network..anywhere..at anytime.
If they have quality issues..it's because of that.
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JasonOD
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My take is Comcast and every other ISP should be able to do whatever the heck they want to their network in order to maximize revenue AND benefit consumers by increasing the value of their products. So in light of the reality that is "best effort" for all consumer ISP offerings, Comcast shouldn't be making concessions to their network like this.
In addition, I can't imagine stockholders will be too happy about about granting special treatment to a company offering a competing product. |
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said by Rick :said by ptrowski :I like how you use the reasoning of saying "I know people who do it so it must not be true". I'd say my reasoning which is based on personal knowledge of these people and their vonage service and Comcast connection is far superior to your source which seems to be "check the post of some stranger in a forum". You're so quick to assess blame on comcast apparently without considering at all the fact that who knows what their real issue was? Perhaps it was their internet connection in general or the fact that Vonages calls completely rely on using the public internet, traveling over many networks. Instead..you turn that into "Comcast admitting that they're messing with VOIP calls". Quite the leap there on your part if you ask me. Come on, let's be serious here. This is a PR stunt trying to show that Comcast has "turned a new leaf". I used Vonage for quite a while and was very active in the vonage-forums. There are cases where people would use Vonage on a Comcast connection that tested "clean" and had issues, and then tried another connection and it was clear.
Interstingly enough a crop of issues popped up around the time Comcast was launching CDV. Am I saying they mess with every VoIP call? No. Was there enough evidence that pointed to it? Sure.
Remember, Comcast said they never used Sandvine and denied it until they were dragged into the light. This is only a PR stunt, just like when they made their announcement with Bit Torrent. Have a press release, snap a few pictures, look how we are playing nice.
Should Vonage become a bit more of a business threat, then they will fall into "reasonable network management".
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Cod
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said by Rick :I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... |
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| said by Cod :said by Rick :I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... Psssst, it's Koolaid  |
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said by Cod :said by Rick :I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... Yes, his reasoning and sampling of other Comcast afficianados is of course always correct. Comcast HD is flawless, they don't throttle or interfere with VOIP at all, and they love puppies. |
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en102
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Since Comcast typically sells service as 6Mbps and higher, there typically should be very little issue.
I'm on a 3Mbps/512kbps ADSL line (read 2600/420kbps throughput), and I use Skype all the time for conference calls w/o issue. I even use it over a VPN + SSH tunneled + Squid proxy connection (VPN kills local access), and it works fine.
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ptrowski
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| said by en102 :Since Comcast typically sells service as 6Mbps and higher, there typically should be very little issue. I'm on a 3Mbps/512kbps ADSL line (read 2600/420kbps throughput), and I use Skype all the time for conference calls w/o issue. I even use it over a VPN + SSH tunneled + Squid proxy connection (VPN kills local access), and it works fine. You can have great speeds, but if the packets are delayed or lost, then you will have poor voice audio.
That's why when people say "I have plenty of speed so it should be fine" that is not always the case. To diagnose poor voice I use www.testyourvoip.com vs a speedtest. |
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JamesPC
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Orange, CA | reply to ptrowski
Exactly, not rocket science people. |
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Rocketbob
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I had Vonage for three years under Insight with flawless service. As soon as Comcast took over I had nothing but problems. Dropped calls, ring unable to answer, clipping ect.
I had to drop Vonage and go back to Verizon. Also, the latency now is so high xbox live is almost unplayable. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
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Comcast should not HAVE to make concessions and QOS a competing VoIP companies service. However they should not degrade a competing companies service to make their look better. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | reply to ptrowski
Yup... claims that video that goes into outer space is inheritly inferior to comcast, VRADs will cause people to die, and now this. |
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Rick
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said by ptrowski :said by Cod :said by Rick :I'd say my reasoning... Aaah, yes- the unjaded and unbiased reasoning of Comcasts #1 coolaid drinker... Yes, his reasoning and sampling of other Comcast afficianados is of course always correct. Comcast HD is flawless, they don't throttle or interfere with VOIP at all, and they love puppies. And your reasoning is based on...what?
Not even being a Comcast nor Vonage customer?
Interesting perspective you have there.
Perhaps the real issues are with your AT&T ~ Viatalk setup and you're just posting in the wrong thread? |
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hottboiinnc
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Toledo, OH | reply to ptrowski
as it is said you never hear much good about a product or service but you always hear about the bitching. Especially here. People are always bitching about something when it doesnt go their way. Chances are they don't have something set up right. |
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