pnh102
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Why is this a problem? Does the new iPhone only work on 3G networks and not on EDGE, GPRS or plain vanilla GSM networks?
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gdm
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clubs: | No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. |
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ptrowski
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| said by gdm  :No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. Exactly. I have 3g coverage at the office, but not at my house. Not a problem as I would use wifi at the house anyways. |
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Big Brother
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Why is this a problem? Does the new iPhone only work on 3G networks and not on EDGE, GPRS or plain vanilla GSM networks?
This is a problem because AT&T and Apple are trying to convince people to toss their old iPhone and buy the new "faster" iPhone in droves. For a large % of people this new phone won't give any significant improvement over their current phone(s) |
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Count Zero
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Warner Robins, GA | reply to gdm
Considering you can't get an EDGE data plan in those areas.... |
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wifi4milez
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| said by Count Zero :Considering you can't get an EDGE data plan in those areas.... Thats incorrect. Now that they have finally shut down their last few TDMA sites, you can get EDGE data anywhere in the country (that ATT services of course).
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Count Zero
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Warner Robins, GA | No you can't sign up for the CHEAPER EDGE only data plan... that's what I meant. |
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wifi4milez
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New York, NY | Thats not entirely true. If you have an older phone (even an older iphone) with the unlimited EDGE plan you can simply swap out your SIM. The real question is, why would you buy the new iphone if not to take advantage of 3g? |
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Count Zero
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| Has that been tested? Because iPhones are actually quite picky about what SIM is inside of them. Even swapping SIMs between my iPhone and my wife's iPhone (so we could keep our numbers but swap capacities) I had to re-activate both of them through iTunes... additinoally you'd have to buy one of the no-contract iPhone 3Gs for like $500-600 to do that because if you buy the iPhone 3G at the discounted price you need to sign a 2 year contract and upgrade to the new 3G data plan. |
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wifi4milez
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New York, NY | I have never heard of anyone having issues swapping ATT sims between iphones. I would agree that you would need to buy one of the no contract iphones however, unless of course you found a used one available online. |
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Count Zero
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| I'm not kidding, both of the phones had to be re-activated when I swapped the SIMs out. I was not expecting that, but at least I wasn't changed any bogus fees for doing so.
The cost of buying the out-of-contract iPhone to avoid having to pay for the 3G data plan would way more than offset the savings of the higher monthly charges... so really the point is you can't buy an iPhone tomorrow if you live in a non-3G area and not get boned. I just saw that where I live isn't 3G... and isn't even close to anywhere 3G either! I am GLAD I wasn't seriously considering upgrading tomorrow! |
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Pictor Guy
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Sammamish, WA | reply to Big Brother
The same can be said for most smart phones. Why call out the iPhone? And a bonus (for some) might be lower initial price on the new phone and longer battery life. Although personally I would rather pay more upfront and have a lower TCO. |
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If you were buying a iPhone or other 3G phone, the ATT people would have no problem giving you a 3G sim. I went from a EDGE phone to a 3G phone (I'm not smug enough and didn't have the $30 required data plan to qualify for a upgrade to an iPhone) and I had to change my old sim for a new one to get HSDPA speeds on the phone.. Though I have heard of people just going in to swap sims (and you need a 3G sim for HSDPA connectivity, I understand) the sim and the IMEI from the phone (whatever kind it is) have to be linked by ATT to give you service. |
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wifi4milez
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| said by SSidlov :If you were buying a iPhone or other 3G phone, the ATT people would have no problem giving you a 3G sim. I went from a EDGE phone to a 3G phone (I'm not smug enough and didn't have the $30 required data plan to qualify for a upgrade to an iPhone) and I had to change my old sim for a new one to get HSDPA speeds on the phone.. Though I have heard of people just going in to swap sims (and you need a 3G sim for HSDPA connectivity, I understand) the sim and the IMEI from the phone (whatever kind it is) have to be linked by ATT to give you service. Having used GSM phones for well over a decade, I have never heard of a different type of SIM being needed to access 3G. Its the radio in the phone that accesses the network, not the SIM. Now I have no experience with the iPhone personally, but unless they are using a revolutionary new technology a SIM is a SIM and will work in any phone (locked phones not being applicable of course).
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wifi4milez
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said by Count Zero :I'm not kidding, both of the phones had to be re-activated when I swapped the SIMs out. I was not expecting that, but at least I wasn't changed any bogus fees for doing so. I have never experienced anything like that, and I have used US SIMs in phones all around the world (and the other way around as well). I supposed ATT could have put some strange software lock in their iphones, but this is the first I have heard of such a statement.
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ReVeLaTeD
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said by Count Zero :Even swapping SIMs between my iPhone and my wife's iPhone (so we could keep our numbers but swap capacities) I had to re-activate both of them through iTunes... Slightly off topic...but this is unbelievable. To use a phone, you have "activate" it through a music software.
Instead of other non-Apple phones where you just buy the phone and slap your SIM right in. |
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said by ptrowski :said by gdm :No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. Exactly. I have 3g coverage at the office, but not at my house. Not a problem as I would use wifi at the house anyways. You mean if you have a cell phone that supports WiFi, you can use your phone through the Wifi network @ your house? even when there's zero bars for the cell at your house?
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ptrowski
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| said by Dust_er :said by ptrowski :said by gdm :No the new iphone is both 3G and Edge. Karl is just making a statement that it's really no benefit if you aren't in a 3G area. Exactly. I have 3g coverage at the office, but not at my house. Not a problem as I would use wifi at the house anyways. You mean if you have a cell phone that supports WiFi, you can use your phone through the Wifi network @ your house? even when there's zero bars for the cell at your house? No, I was thinking wifi for the internet speeds. |
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San Marcos, CA | I see. Also do you think my previous statement is possible or exists? |
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| said by Dust_er :I see. Also do you think my previous statement is possible or exists? How about T-Mobile's new service?
»https://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/ro···450.htm? |
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