lnesomdove
@bellsouth.net
| reply to Hayward
Re: Is AT&T removing alt.* newsgroups
said by Hayward  :ANd why woldn't they since without policing, vast majority are illegal. Why should they neet to police that... just do away. Again the few spoiling things for the many. There are TONS of CHEAP subscription NEWSGROUP feeds to subscribe to... I see no reason this should be part of ISP service, but for the freeloading 24/7 bloodsuckers. Most can concede and addition $10/mo or so for all you can eat, and not impact the working of an essentially residential COMMUNICATIONS network, with occasional DL bursts.. Regardless of where the traffic comes from, whether it be AT&T's servers or another newsgroup provider, the data is going to flow down the same pipe 'impacting the working of an essentially residential COMMUNICATIONS network'. The only difference is it doesn't begin the journey within AT&T, it starts some place else. The savings to AT&T may be on the servers used for maintaining the service, but I would believe that this particular server or servers are totally separate entities from the rest of what they do. In other words, moving this traffic to another source will have little impact assuming everyone that is currently using this service begins to pay for it elsewhere.
AT&T is losing a possible revenue stream, and in the process, making their existing customer base upset with their knee jerk decision. |
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newsreader
@bellsouth.net | reply to graysonf
you're right $9.00 is for 5 for which i seemed to've signed up for, anyway still happy with the service and most things I've read seem to be good thanks again for the lead |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Yer welcome. I started with them when they first started up back in 1995. I never, ever had a single complaint about the service. |
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itsme
@spcsdns.net
|  reply to Zoder
Can anyone confirm that all the warez newsgroup are gone too?
Did it started today?
I am now getting errors like this:
[16:35:53] SERVER=newsgroups.bellsouth.net, MSG=SendCommand - failed response: 411 No Such Group "alt.binaries.cracks"
[16:35:53] MSG=Unable to Select Group: alt.binaries.dvd.asian
[16:35:53] SERVER=newsgroups.bellsouth.net, MSG=SendCommand - failed response: 411 No Such Group "alt.binaries.dvd.asian"
[16:35:53] MSG=Unable to Select Group: alt.binaries.dvd
[16:35:53] SERVER=newsgroups.bellsouth.net, MSG=SendCommand - failed response: 411 No Such Group "alt.binaries.dvd"
[16:35:53] MSG=Unable to Select Group: alt.binaries.cd.image.linux
[16:35:53] SERVER=newsgroups.bellsouth.net, MSG=SendCommand - failed response: 411 No Such Group "alt.binaries.cd.image.linux"
[16:35:53] MSG=Unable to Select Group: alt.binaries.cd.image
[16:35:53] SERVER=newsgroups.bellsouth.net, MSG=SendCommand - failed response: 411 No Such Group "alt.binaries.cd.image"
[16:35:53] MSG=Unable to Select Group: alt.binaries.asianusenet |
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itsme
@spcsdns.net
| reply to Zoder
If you go to ATT newsgroup status you get message about damn removing the alt thing also:
Link:
»my.att.net/newsgroup/s/s.dll?spa···ly=y&ck= |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to itsme
Gone too?
Maybe you haven't been keeping up.... ALL of alt.binaries.* is gone along with some others and most common mispellings such as alt.bianries.*
I posted a list of the deleted groups a few days ago. Read it.
»[Services] List of purged newsgroups |
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kdroop
join:2001-08-26
Morgan City, LA | reply to Zoder
I have been beating my brain out.Is there any of these that support dual ip networking with decent retention? |
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chong67
join:2001-11-18
Jonesboro, GA
| reply to Zoder
Friends,
There is nothing to worry about.
Newsgroup is not as important as it was before.
There are many ways of getting it, like sign up for another newsfeed for $10.
Or use .torrent
Its not the end of the world.
Its just that they use child porno as an excuse. |
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TheDarkRide
Pimpin' ain't easy
join:2004-06-15
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to Zoder
This thread probably could stand to be locked.
At this point everybody who "gets it" gets it and those who don't (or are just looking for another excuse to bitch and moan about Bell/AT&T SE and their services) won't. Ever. The necessary information and URLs regarding the politically-motivated alt.binaries.* freak-out is available, but I can't see additional posts doing anything but burying that info in an increasingly-dismal SNR.
AT&T wasn't the first ISP to bounce alt.binaries.* (or, in fact, alt.*). They won't be the last. If you want to stand up and make a political statement, go do it in an appropriate forum. There's really no actual support available for this "problem" because a) the deed's already been done (by AT&T _and_ others), and b) it's not a problem.
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
Premium
join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA | Hi TheDarkRide,
Perhaps you're not fmailiar with the concept or definition of a forum.
The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as:
A public meeting place for open discussion.
Hope that helps! |
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E1
@egix.net
| reply to Zoder
this is a bunch of BU*LS*IT.  The 3 or 4 binary groups that i loved browsing and posting to NEVER had even ONE instance of "child porn" in it- nor ANY kind of porn. i am really pissed off. but what can i do besides bitch in comment sections and send a letter of really stern words to someone who wont give a s*it? Nothing.  I guess I'll have to use one of the "pay" services still out there.
Hey, did they think of something- the are still providing internet access, so the company is allowing millions of child porn to still be seen and downloaded thru the web? maybe they should shut the web down too? 
this is a case of overkill. shut down the porn groups if you want, NOT ALL OF THEM.
and why do they think this will save them bandwidth? the people that actually USE the binary groups aren't gonna just say "oh well"- we're gonna get a 3rd party server account at least, and still download the same amount- THRU our ISP lines! same bandwidth- hell maybe more- for a few extra dollars on some servers you can remove a cap and download hundreds of gigs a day if you want! whats THAT gonna do to the isp's bandwidth????  it still has to be physically routed THRU them to your house! dumbasses!
i am really pissed. I cant cancel my account or i would- because the only other service near us besides ATT is COMCRAP. and i am NOT f**king going back to them.
3rd party servers, here i come-
anyone have a list of good (and cheaper) ones??? thanx!!!  |
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graysonf
Premium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| You are only considering the bandwidth used by ATT customers when you compare the cost of taking an article from the ATT server vs a 3rd party server.
You are either unaware of, or ignoring the peering bandwidth used to propagate articles out to perhaps a 100 or more peers. Every article on a news server got there somehow. It was either posted to the server by a customer of the ISP who operates the server or it came in from another server via peering.
If you have peering arrangements with 100 other news servers, not at all unusual, then every article that originated from one of your customers is going to be offered out to others....100 others. If that was a several GB DVD image binary post, you are looking an expensive transport. If you have a lot of customers doing this, you are going to be spending a lot of money.
Suggestion for a high quality, inexpensive 3rd party news service. Try Altopia for $6.00/month. Cancel within two weeks if you are not happy and get your money back. You have nothing to lose. I don't work for them or get anything from them for referrals. I'm not even a current customer.
»www.altopia.com |
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Mad as Hell
@bellsouth.net
| reply to Zoder
I don't like child pornographers and I would like to see all of them rotting is jail. But censoring the usenet as a means of stopping child porn is not the way to go. How about tracking down and putting awy the people who post this crap.
Blocking all of the Alt.bin* newgroups is like closing the post office because someone might send a pornographic picture of a child through the mail.
Besides, it will not simply work stop child pornography. Blocking the usenet to stop child porn is a little like blocking all access to a big city by setting up a road block on just one street. Their are just too many avenues available for distributing this stuff.
As for AT&T's wimpy response by marching in lock step with the likes of Mario Cuomo; AT&T should have grown a set of balls and told Cuomo to go back to NY. AT&T is no more responsible for the content of the internet than Cuomo is for any child pornography found in New York State. NY City is a cesspool of illegal smut, porn, prostitution, drugs, etc. Why didn't AT&t laugh Cuomo out of the room. Cuomo should clean up his own backyard before having the balls to insist on censoring the internet.
What's next? Will Cuomo insist on closing all of the banks to stop potential bank robbers? Or insist that we outlaw cars and alcohol products as a sure way to stop drunk driving?
In kowtowing to Cuomo, AT&T has taken to worst possible step -- short of blocking all usenet access. In the process they have effectively censored their subscribers and thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
Frankly I am sick and tired of companies like AT&T who would let their customers get screwed rather than stand up to the the do-gooder set.
AT&T you are spineless wimps and need to grow a set of balls.
AT&T should rethink their awful position on this matter. |
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E1
@egix.net
|  reply to graysonf
Ahh...I c...but i thought ATT was just attaching to other servers, and not a 'host' themself (meaning, they are basically a usenet customer too, downloading from another usnet server when a request from our newsgrabber is sent 'thru' them to usenet- and not storing all the articles themselves)
hence my comment about the att users still using the same bandwidth as they would before when switched to 3rd party. i didnt know they actually had dedicated host servers.
i actually DID sign up with altopia today- and are happy with them so far. I went for the 9$ a month (5 connections). they give you "unlimited" bandwidth and no download caps. (umlimited as far as your ISP speed i'm guessing). they also give you a few port numbers to try in case your ISP is limiting the speed on port 119 for newsgroups.
i doubt i can get ATT to lower my price. altho, i hear that this fall ATT is going to start "bandwidth charges"- download over 5 gig a month, they tack on an extra doller PER GIG. this may hurt more than having to pay for a 3rd party provider...im around 3 gig a day user  which means i either wean down on usenet altogether- or fork over an extra $100+ a month OUCH!!
now i do understand that with new technologies, us consumers want more speed- sometimes more than can possibly physically be given, and that it takes $$ to generate it. but can they "bandwith share"?
meaning- the granny who uses att for 2 text emails a month to her kids and never surfs the net- wouldnt that add a little more balance to crazies like me? LOL
someone needs to start a binary html webservice usenet. not like the crappy html newsreaders that are out there now. i'm talking about a http website you get a subscription to that holds text posts and binary files on its server. hell, they could even charge an extra "assembling fee" for multipart files!
i have to laugh when i think about the fact that all anyone is complaining about are little 1's and 0's in a certain order, causes soo much trouble! |
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Mad as hell
@bellsouth.net
| Before you spread unfounded rumors it might be wise to check your facts first. The 5GB cap applies to AT&T wireless mobility customers only. It is not appreciated.
I will concede that I have seen news reports that AT&T is considering some other sort of cap for standard broadband users -- Comcast and Time Warner have had those for years. Check with any of their power users that have faced bandwidth speed limits after exceeding monthly caps. I have even read forums where some cable internet users have complained about receiving nasty letters about their monthly usage.
If AT&T does adopt such a bandwidth cap, it is more likely to be more like the 40 or 50GB/month cap common with cable ISP providers.
As of right now, I have absolutely no idea what my monthly total bandwidth usage is. My wife and I both use the web, my kids use Microsoft live (alot!) as well as other on-line games. So I'm not sure what to expect from such types of charges.
Also, for a usenet provider, you should check out newsdemon.com. I got 20gb of monthly downloads with 20 connections for $8/month.
They are offering 15% discounts to any AT&T, AOL, Time Warner and Verizon ISP subscribers.
I also stumbled on a newsdemon discount code on newsgroupreviews.com for a 20% discount. That code was newsgr20. This is the one I used and I got a 20% discount. (7/10/08)
These discount codes are recurring and do not expire as far as I can tell.
Good luck! |
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wolfsmane
join:2003-05-01
Aiken, SC |
how does these "pay for" newsgroup services work, as far as
payment? do you have to pay several months in advance, or do they do automatic withdrawal from checking/CC acct? |
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chong67
join:2001-11-18
Jonesboro, GA
| reply to Zoder
You make a good point.
Why not close down the post office bc someone could be sending child porno stuff too.
Or maybe close down the bookstore that sell P* magazine.
They just do this for economic reason.
I talk to my friend the other day in Australia and I said my fastest speed is 3 Mbps now or if lucky, get 6 Mbps. He said in Aust now it is 26 mbps for home. So we have the smartest weapon in the world, yet how fast is our internet?
Again its all about money.
Folks, having no newsgroup is not bad. Just pay somebody else and you can still get the feed. There are so many ways of getting anything you want and need. So please dont get mad. |
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JohnQPublic
Premium
join:2002-03-22
Xanadu
| reply to wolfsmane
said by wolfsmane :how does these "pay for" newsgroup services work, as far as payment? do you have to pay several months in advance, or do they do automatic withdrawal from checking/CC acct? I recommend you check out the filesharing forum if you're looking for more info about newsgroup providers.
Personally, I can recommend Astraweb.com as a great provider. You can pay by the download (a block account) or unlimited.
»news.astraweb.com/
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TheDarkRide
Pimpin' ain't easy
join:2004-06-15
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to Mizzat
And now, to be more specific than a third-rate collection of American english colloquialisms:
From the AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ:
»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ
The DSLReports AT&T Southeast Forum is a customer information resource for the AT&T Southeast DSL Internet service. It's a place where users of the AT&T Southeast service can ask questions, share ideas, and exchange and gather information, but anyone is welcome in the forum.
I think the "information resource" ship has long since sailed as far as this topic goes. |
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TheDarkRide
Pimpin' ain't easy
join:2004-06-15
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| reply to chong67
said by chong67 :Folks, having no newsgroup is not bad. Just pay somebody else and you can still get the feed. There are so many ways of getting anything you want and need. So please dont get mad. You make a good point, and one that I agree with. What mystifies me at this point is how we can have dozens of random anonymous posters writing the SAME F#&$ING THING about AT&T's outsourced NNTP service and seemingly failing to realize that every major ISP is following suit (and some did well before AT&T).
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