 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
Re: Good said by Matt:Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway. Let the leechers who want access to that pay an external usenet provider. So are you saying that porn is bad or illegal in some why??
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by hopeflicker:said by Matt:Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway. Let the leechers who want access to that pay an external usenet provider. So are you saying that porn is bad or illegal in some why?? Porn is illegal for minors to access. ISP provided newsgroups have absolutely ZERO access restrictions on them. I feel it's the parent's responsibility to monitor their children, but kids will be kids and if you leave a loaded gun sitting on the table ...
That's not my main point of contention with newsgroups, but since you asked. |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:said by Matt:Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway. Let the leechers who want access to that pay an external usenet provider. So are you saying that porn is bad or illegal in some why?? Porn is illegal for minors to access. ISP provided newsgroups have absolutely ZERO access restrictions on them. I feel it's the parent's responsibility to monitor their children, but kids will be kids and if you leave a loaded gun sitting on the table ... That's not my main point of contention with newsgroups, but since you asked. then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids.
It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops.
Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. Can you download "Asian XXX Episode 3" from alt.binaries.idonthaveagirlfriend without proving you're over 18? Yes. That is illegal. Additionally, when you download porn from newsgroups, you're still committing copyright infringement. Porn isn't magically excluded from copyright laws and protections.
Once again, there are no positives to carrying the alt.binaries newsgroups ... sorry but you're going to have to pony up to get your fix. |
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| said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. Can you download "Asian XXX Episode 3" from alt.binaries.idonthaveagirlfriend without proving you're over 18? Yes. That is illegal. Additionally, when you download porn from newsgroups, you're still committing copyright infringement. Porn isn't magically excluded from copyright laws and protections. Once again, there are no positives to carrying the alt.binaries newsgroups ... sorry but you're going to have to pony up to get your fix. Fine, let's block the internet too because I can name a few sites that age verification is nothing more than a click away.
Try again. |
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ
kudos:2 | reply to hopeflicker
Maybe it could be clarified in ALL of these articles that all they are doing is dumping the stuff that is held on THEIR servers. That in effect means they are providing the content, regardless of who actually put it there. The ISP's DO have the responsibility to police that. They are not blocking access to third-party servers. It's really not very different than if it were posted on YouTube. If YouTube left it up there, they'd be just as resonsible. The difference is that YouTube would have it removed as soon as it was found or complained about. The ISP's in this case weren't doing that, and got caught by the AG. |
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so by the same logic...most terrorist happen to be moslems that use internet for terrorism/Islam...are you going to ban internet access access for all moslems? Stupid arguement at the best. |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? Sure you can. How do you think kids get booze and cigs ? They do have access to this stuff already. When there's a will, there's a way.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by hopeflicker:said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? Sure you can. How do you think kids get booze and cigs ? They do have access to this stuff already. When there's a will, there's a way. You + Point = Missed |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:Fine, let's block the internet too because I can name a few sites that age verification is nothing more than a click away. Try again. Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? The solution is not the be-all-end-all of child porn, but there are numerous benefits for not carrying newsgroups, especially the alt.binaries tree. It's a win-win for the provider. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone if their feelings are hurt because they can't get their alt.binaries.warez fix. Almost all text newsgroups can be accessed via other means, or by paying for a very inexpensive external usenet account.
Usenet is old, outdated, and the signal to noise ratio is so low in all the unmoderated groups it's all by worthless. |
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 nklbPremium
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Ann Arbor, MI
kudos:2 | reply to Matt
said by Matt:Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. I think if you do it in international waters there is no age limit for that sort of thing...
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 RombusPremium
join:2007-04-11
Columbus, OH | reply to Matt
said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? Just going to point out how hypocritical this statement is with your first comment:
Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by Rombus:said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? Just going to point out how hypocritical this statement is with your first comment: Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway.
What else is in alt.binaries tree that has even 1% of the traffic or number of dedicated newsgroups? All the traffic in that tree comes from criminals stealing music, movies, software, and porn.
My statement is not hypocritical in the least. It's a rather pragmatic view I would say. |
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 danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | reply to Jodokast96
said by Jodokast96:Maybe it could be clarified in ALL of these articles that all they are doing is dumping the stuff that is held on THEIR servers. That in effect means they are providing the content, regardless of who actually put it there. The ISP's DO have the responsibility to police that. They are not blocking access to third-party servers. It's really not very different than if it were posted on YouTube. If YouTube left it up there, they'd be just as resonsible. The difference is that YouTube would have it removed as soon as it was found or complained about. The ISP's in this case weren't doing that, and got caught by the AG. you have no idea what you are talking about with respect to usenet or the internet and its implementation.
You are so wrong on so many points here my head hurts and i cant bring myself to write the novel it will take to correct the mistakes. |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
said by Matt:said by Rombus:said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? Just going to point out how hypocritical this statement is with your first comment: Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway.
What else is in alt.binaries tree that has even 1% of the traffic or number of dedicated newsgroups? All the traffic in that tree comes from criminals stealing music, movies, software, and porn. My statement is not hypocritical in the least. It's a rather pragmatic view I would say. why does it matter to you anyways? does porn, movies, and software on alt.binary really get in the way of your daily life?
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | reply to danclan
said by danclan:said by Jodokast96:Maybe it could be clarified in ALL of these articles that all they are doing is dumping the stuff that is held on THEIR servers. That in effect means they are providing the content, regardless of who actually put it there. The ISP's DO have the responsibility to police that. They are not blocking access to third-party servers. It's really not very different than if it were posted on YouTube. If YouTube left it up there, they'd be just as resonsible. The difference is that YouTube would have it removed as soon as it was found or complained about. The ISP's in this case weren't doing that, and got caught by the AG. you have no idea what you are talking about with respect to usenet or the internet and its implementation. You are so wrong on so many points here my head hurts and i cant bring myself to write the novel it will take to correct the mistakes.
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said by Matt:kids will be kids and if you leave a loaded gun sitting on the table ... And uh, in a household, who would be in a position to "leave a loaded gun sitting on the table"? Likely, the one who owns it and is responsible for it...the parent(s).
It's their fault for leaving it out there in the first place. If they would exercise better caution about their dangerous things and make sure their children are not making use of said dangers we wouldn't be having this discussion.
The internet is not dangerous; people are. When it's a child, it's the PARENT'S RESPONSIBILITY to manage that child. Instead what they do is allow laptops and televisions to do the parenting, then whine when the child does something they shouldn't. |
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Well, if kids will be kids, then maybe the problem isn't porn, but kids. I say ban kids. Really, it's for their own protection since there are so many ways they can get into trouble. |
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said by Matt:Porn is illegal for minors to access. ISP provided newsgroups have absolutely ZERO access restrictions on them. I feel it's the parent's responsibility to monitor their children, but kids will be kids and if you leave a loaded gun sitting on the table ... Minors watching porn is equivalent to leaving a loaded gun on the table? I'll never understand this fear of porn. Heaven forbid a minor see a naked body other than his/her own!
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