 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to hopeflicker
Re: Good said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. Can you download "Asian XXX Episode 3" from alt.binaries.idonthaveagirlfriend without proving you're over 18? Yes. That is illegal. Additionally, when you download porn from newsgroups, you're still committing copyright infringement. Porn isn't magically excluded from copyright laws and protections.
Once again, there are no positives to carrying the alt.binaries newsgroups ... sorry but you're going to have to pony up to get your fix. |
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| said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. Can you download "Asian XXX Episode 3" from alt.binaries.idonthaveagirlfriend without proving you're over 18? Yes. That is illegal. Additionally, when you download porn from newsgroups, you're still committing copyright infringement. Porn isn't magically excluded from copyright laws and protections. Once again, there are no positives to carrying the alt.binaries newsgroups ... sorry but you're going to have to pony up to get your fix. Fine, let's block the internet too because I can name a few sites that age verification is nothing more than a click away.
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? Sure you can. How do you think kids get booze and cigs ? They do have access to this stuff already. When there's a will, there's a way.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by hopeflicker:said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? Sure you can. How do you think kids get booze and cigs ? They do have access to this stuff already. When there's a will, there's a way. You + Point = Missed |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:Fine, let's block the internet too because I can name a few sites that age verification is nothing more than a click away. Try again. Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? The solution is not the be-all-end-all of child porn, but there are numerous benefits for not carrying newsgroups, especially the alt.binaries tree. It's a win-win for the provider. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone if their feelings are hurt because they can't get their alt.binaries.warez fix. Almost all text newsgroups can be accessed via other means, or by paying for a very inexpensive external usenet account.
Usenet is old, outdated, and the signal to noise ratio is so low in all the unmoderated groups it's all by worthless. |
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 nklbPremium
join:2000-11-17
Ann Arbor, MI
kudos:2 | reply to Matt
said by Matt:Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. I think if you do it in international waters there is no age limit for that sort of thing...
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 RombusPremium
join:2007-04-11
Columbus, OH | reply to Matt
said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? Just going to point out how hypocritical this statement is with your first comment:
Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway.
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 technickPremium
join:2000-12-16
Wheat Ridge, CO
kudos:1 | reply to Matt
Its amazing how ignorant your statements are. You have managed to justify the blocking of a service because of the "children". What about the folks that don't have children / kids and are not worried about these problems (I didn't breed so I shouldn't be responsible for the online safety of your little bastard child)? We get screwed over and end up paying out additional money for something that used to be included with our monthly internet bill because of bad parents.
I'm honestly tired of people like you and the idiots in charge that managed to pull this off. Think about the children! I don't care about your child or the next guys children, they are not my responsibility. The parents of the kid that manages to find porn online should be awarded the "Idiot Parents Of The Year" prize and should no longer re-produce and possible loss custody of their children (Well, probably shouldn't of reproduced in the first place).
Its not all warez, porn and music either. If you don't believe me, check out the following groups.
alt.binaries.3d
alt.binaries.anime
alt.binaries.e-book.technical
alt.binaries.freeware
alt.binaries.cd.image.linux
alt.binaries.linux.iso
alt.binaries.tv
Thats just a few...
In closing, don't make me responsible for your child's welfare on the internet. Bad things can and will happen. If you want to protect your child, don't let them even use a computer. Give them a typewriter and a SuperNES.
ISP's should charge additional money to people with Kids for "filtered" access and leave the rest of us alone.k
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Rombus
said by Rombus:said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? Just going to point out how hypocritical this statement is with your first comment: Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway.
What else is in alt.binaries tree that has even 1% of the traffic or number of dedicated newsgroups? All the traffic in that tree comes from criminals stealing music, movies, software, and porn.
My statement is not hypocritical in the least. It's a rather pragmatic view I would say. |
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hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | said by Matt:said by Rombus:said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? Just going to point out how hypocritical this statement is with your first comment: Good, alt.binary is full of nothing but porn, warez, movies, and music anyway.
What else is in alt.binaries tree that has even 1% of the traffic or number of dedicated newsgroups? All the traffic in that tree comes from criminals stealing music, movies, software, and porn. My statement is not hypocritical in the least. It's a rather pragmatic view I would say. why does it matter to you anyways? does porn, movies, and software on alt.binary really get in the way of your daily life?
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 james
join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | reply to Matt
said by Matt:Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. Can you download "Asian XXX Episode 3" from alt.binaries.idonthaveagirlfriend without proving you're over 18? Yes. That is illegal. Fine, then make it illegal for people under 18 to use the internet unsupervised. Or *Gasp* make porn legal for people under 18 to watch. It's amazing that we allow kids to see people being torn apart by aliens, but we dont allow them to see a nipple.
Your idea that it's ok to block everyone's access to something just because some kids dont know what "18 and over only" means is retarded. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | reply to Matt
said by Matt:You + Point = Missed I think you're the one missing the point. There will be child porn, kids accessing porn and so on regardless of whether or not usenet is blocked.
Blocking usenet is a stupid solution to a very serious problem (child porn). |
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said by Matt:Is everything black and white in your world or are you just being apathetic? The solution is not the be-all-end-all of child porn, but there are numerous benefits for not carrying newsgroups, especially the alt.binaries tree. It's a win-win for the provider. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone if their feelings are hurt because they can't get their alt.binaries.warez fix. Almost all text newsgroups can be accessed via other means, or by paying for a very inexpensive external usenet account. Apparently, in your world, everything is black and white.
This is what you said:
said by Matt:Porn is illegal for minors to access. ISP provided newsgroups have absolutely ZERO access restrictions on them. I feel it's the parent's responsibility to monitor their children, but kids will be kids and if you leave a loaded gun sitting on the table ... Now, how does it matter if kids access porn through newsgroups or the web? THERE IS NONE!!
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 QumahlinNever Enough TimePremium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
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said by technick:Its not all warez, porn and music either. If you don't believe me, check out the following groups. alt.binaries.3d alt.binaries.anime alt.binaries.e-book.technical alt.binaries.freeware alt.binaries.cd.image.linux alt.binaries.linux.iso alt.binaries.tv Thats just a few... Congrats, I did a header pull from the groups you listed above. The only one with no obviously noticeable copyright content is the linux groups
alt.binaries.tv - Contains TONS of copyrighted TV shows
alt.binaries.e-book.technical - Multiple books I saw are copyright and not for free distribution
alt.binaries.anime - Copyrighted material all over the place.
So what was that you were saying about the binary tree again? What reasoning can anyone provide for a ISP to waste money on keeping up a service that 99.5% of the "binary" content that people want from it they aren't supposed to be downloading anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I download tons of stuff from newsgroups. I just don't come onto forums and act like newsgroups serve a real purpose anymore or that I don't know that what i'm doing is technically illegal.
Get over it people, newsgroups are going away, they are a costly service to maintain, their primary use has turned to piracy, and for those who want legitimate access to text groups you can get it free via google or any other number of free providers.
Argue all you want, its not going to change things, its the overall plan of pretty much every ISP, the whole "child porn" thing provided the perfect excuse to finally execute it.
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 KompressorPremium
join:2002-02-12
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to Matt
Then how do kids get all of the cigarettes, booze, and drugs? How are you going to keep them from having sex and committing crimes? Marihuana and cocaine is illegal in the entire country, but you can get it in every neighborhood.
What's going to happen now is everyone is going to post the binaries in non-binary groups, which is just going to cause more chaos.
Its naive people like you who think you can fix things by banning them, but all you do is make things worse. |
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said by technick:Its amazing how ignorant your statements are. You have managed to justify the blocking of a service because of the "children". What about the folks that don't have children / kids and are not worried about these problems (I didn't breed so I shouldn't be responsible for the online safety of your little bastard child)? We get screwed over and end up paying out additional money for something that used to be included with our monthly internet bill because of bad parents. I'm honestly tired of people like you and the idiots in charge that managed to pull this off. Think about the children! I don't care about your child or the next guys children, they are not my responsibility. The parents of the kid that manages to find porn online should be awarded the "Idiot Parents Of The Year" prize and should no longer re-produce and possible loss custody of their children (Well, probably shouldn't of reproduced in the first place). Its not all warez, porn and music either. If you don't believe me, check out the following groups. alt.binaries.3d alt.binaries.anime alt.binaries.e-book.technical alt.binaries.freeware alt.binaries.cd.image.linux alt.binaries.linux.iso alt.binaries.tv Thats just a few... In closing, don't make me responsible for your child's welfare on the internet. Bad things can and will happen. If you want to protect your child, don't let them even use a computer. Give them a typewriter and a SuperNES. ISP's should charge additional money to people with Kids for "filtered" access and leave the rest of us alone.k Please do not explain how you were raised as a child. And I am not asking.............................. |
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You have no clue? Who said someone show you an id is who he says he is? Do you think getting a fake ID is that difficult? Or getting someone older to get it for you?
Banning this and that is just an excuse to cut more services or in government term, more regulations. Instead of education, they play the blame game. Sadly, this is how this government works.
Back in 2004, I was in China (I know how US say China is bad and human right is terrible), the younger generation is going off the wrong track. However, instead of playing the blame game, they did something. They put much education video, broadcast national wide. Something like this will never happen with our politicians.
said by Matt:said by hopeflicker:then maybe we should ban porn, booze, and cigs because you know, kids will be kids. It's not the responsibility of the ISP to be cops. Im sure someone is getting paid for these moves. Can you access porn (legally), buy cigarettes or booze if you are underage? No. Can you download "Asian XXX Episode 3" from alt.binaries.idonthaveagirlfriend without proving you're over 18? Yes. That is illegal. Additionally, when you download porn from newsgroups, you're still committing copyright infringement. Porn isn't magically excluded from copyright laws and protections. Once again, there are no positives to carrying the alt.binaries newsgroups ... sorry but you're going to have to pony up to get your fix. |
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