Topic 'Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774297 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:43:22 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:43:22 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20802610 TK - your statement attributes ALL of the angst about throttling to the pirates and thieves. Perhaps you should tone it back a bit as others did not misconstrue your statement. Use of a term like All instead of some or most is troll like behavior and would illicit the kind of remarks you received.

To set you straight, when you used the term ALL you did indeed say that only the pirates and thieves are involved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20802610 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:14:52 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20783451 I use the internet for many different things. I stream, I download, I read, I listen, I chat, I send. This is the internet, period. Bell is degrading the one service it is selling. I don't condone downloading movies, but is it a big coincidence that they start throttling right before opening a storefront that deals in.. ddddd-dum.. movies?

Bell, and you my friend, are full of... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20783451 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:11:52 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20782472
You guys need to learn how to read! Public libraries will teach you this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20782472 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:03:39 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20780022 said by root9:

Seems like some PPL still don't understand it's not about music and P2P, and it Is about digging into users privacy and fleecing their money.That's right. It's about inspecting the details of anything communicated, and altering/restricting them at will. Profit is the motive in this case.

Nobody will come out and say that's the reason, of course, so they resort to fake boogeymen like "pirates" in this case to gain support.
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All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves. If Bell and Rogers haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to hide. :)
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If you TRUELY want to only pay for your own use and not the use of others you should be advocating per byte billing. Anything else is hypocrisy as per byte billing is the ONLY fair way to bill for exact amount of usage. If you follow BBR front page stories on this subject, you would see that I have been pushing for per byte billing for at least a year or more. Ask anybody - I have been attacked for that very stance.
said by rahvin112:

Personally I think you're damned selfish, we all pay for the use of others, you benefit from some, you don't on others.
And, of course, there is the PERSONAL attack - used by those who won't debate the issues.
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Personally I think you're damned selfish, we all pay for the use of others, you benefit from some, you don't on others. It's one of the aspects of living in a free open society with other people. If you only want to have to look out for yourself there are plenty of countries in this world that allow that Utopian paradise of every man for himself (Somolia being a prime example), most are rather sh!tty places to live but if it's what you want feel free to relocate. Otherwise just admit you're a self obsessed individual with no respect for your fellow species who'd rather not be a civilized member of a progressive society.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20777775 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:53:38 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776938 said by realitybytes:

In YOUR opinion, after all opinions are like farts sometimes you can only stand the smell of your own brand.

But the point of the matter is throttled service affects everyone, I update my linux distro via torrent. I download public domain music off torrents all the time. I use you-tube, and many other bandwidth intense things. So how dare you say that those of us who want net-neutrality only do so to be able to download pirated materials!It is an uneducated, opinionated, and silly statement to make.

Cheers, and try not to make such a blanket statement in the future, it will spare you embarrassments, and flames next time 'round! Cheers
I would be spared flames if posters followed site rules. Too much to hope I guess.

And if you read the post you would see that I didn't say that ONLY those who pirate want net neutrality. I did say that the Pirates want net neutrality, but made no mention of other groups.
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You're the troll for calling TK one. he said people WHO DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND MOVIES! Not Linux ISOs. Go read his post.
ACTUALLY:this is whatTK wrote: All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves.

that's what I call a blanket statement...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776935 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:47:48 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776925
But the point of the matter is throttled service affects everyone, I update my linux distro via torrent. I download public domain music off torrents all the time. I use you-tube, and many other bandwidth intense things. So how dare you say that those of us who want net-neutrality only do so to be able to download pirated materials!It is an uneducated, opinionated, and silly statement to make.

Cheers, and try not to make such a blanket statement in the future, it will spare you embarrassments, and flames next time 'round! Cheers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776925 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:44:34 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776532
Well I admit I do download music on occasion (not the popular shit some of you listen to, nor via P2P) just because I don't have the funds to buy every single CD. Some of them are even pricey or even not pressed anymore.

I use the internet for more...normal things like you do also..

»freemetalalbums.blogspot.com

Go ahead and accuse me of providing 'pirated' stuff, because the stuff this site links to is media provided by bands themselves. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776532 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:16:49 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776159 said by adisor19:

said by hottboiinnc:

You're the troll for calling TK one. he said people WHO DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND MOVIES! Not Linux ISOs. Go read his post.
Nice try. This is what he said : "All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves. Threaten to cut off their daily fix and they mobilize groups to restore their unlimited access to FREE content. God forbid anyone thwart their desires and off to court they go demanding their "rights"."

He basically blames this anty ISP reaction on pirates and simply chooses to ignore the positive uses of P2P as i described in my post. A troll is a troll.

Adi
Constantly repeating a baseless accusation doesn't make it true. But many here think that if they yell loud enough and long enough it somehow will become true.
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So YES, the thieve have a great influence towards the web trends.

Here's the deal today, any web enabled pc can access youtube.com that handy site happens to have A LOT of music on it. Now I know your going to say, "Yea but...", here's the reality. UMG has starting putting their own music online. With just a few clicks almost any artist can be heard. Same applies for a few other sites too.

Personally I've not downloaded any music, as I've found most things on youtube.

Oh, since you can't return a cd, instead of sampling the cd in store, you download and listen at home. If you deem it worth a purchase, you proceed to the store and purchase it. If not, delete.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776157 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:03:30 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776144 said by hottboiinnc:

You're the troll for calling TK one. he said people WHO DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND MOVIES! Not Linux ISOs. Go read his post.
Nice try. This is what he said : "All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves. Threaten to cut off their daily fix and they mobilize groups to restore their unlimited access to FREE content. God forbid anyone thwart their desires and off to court they go demanding their "rights"."

He basically blames this anty ISP reaction on pirates and simply chooses to ignore the positive uses of P2P as i described in my post. A troll is a troll.

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776144 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:01:13 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20776005 said by ThrowDemsOut:

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves.
said by ThrowDemsOut:

Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It's a substitute for thinking. It's also 100% flawed reasoning: you don't arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented."

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I simply don't see those going away, ever.

People tend to get uppity when money comes flying out of their pocket, and are accused of committing acts by proxy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20775929 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:19:41 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20775653 said by ThrowDemsOut:

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth in the U.S. and Canada and around the world for that matter is driven by the music & movie thieves. Threaten to cut off their daily fix and they mobilize groups to restore their unlimited access to FREE content. God forbid anyone thwart their desires and off to court they go demanding their "rights".
Seems like some PPL still don't understand it's not about music and P2P, and it Is about digging into users privacy and fleecing their money. This also translates to control over everyone.
All these hassles are created by satanic and luciferian organizations trying to instill New World Order everywhere. They have been at it for 1,000's of years. Go learn your history and how it applies today. :D
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Theres no doubt google probably makes some money linking to BT sites, but 99% of their revenue comes from other searches, legit ones that I'm sure not even you can find a downside too. Yet theyre getting involved in this too...Why, for PR?

The non-narrow minded can see this is much more important then people getting their music fix. I'm sure your anti-BT thinking is well known on these boards... but to hate net neutrality all together? Come on...you can't be that narrow minded. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20775332 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:38:04 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774894 said by ThrowDemsOut:

said by mrchris:

@TK Junk:

Is this all you care about the poor Telco and Cablecos and not the common people these days??
If by "common people", you mean music and movie thieves, then you are right - I don't care. But if you mean everyone else who pays higher prices to support the leaches, then I do care.
Hello Mr.Troll!

I download Linux ISOs. I am not a thief yet i disapprove what these incumbent ISPs are attempting to do. Does this make me a thief that is trying to influence Internet policy ?

Adi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774894 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:26:56 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774866
that's a win-win! (except for consumers).

does that get it about right?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774866 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:24:01 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774802 said by mrchris:

@TK Junk:

Is this all you care about the poor Telco and Cablecos and not the common people these days??
If by "common people", you mean music and movie thieves, then you are right - I don't care. But if you mean everyone else who pays higher prices to support the leaches, then I do care.
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Is this all you care about the poor Telco and Cablecos and not the common people these days??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774792 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:11:44 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774532 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774532 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:31:32 EDT Re: Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774319 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774319 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:56:15 EDT Apparently the music thieves now drive internet policy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Apparently-the-music-thieves-now-drive-internet-policy-20774297 --
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