 bencPremium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
 ·Charter
| Service with Free or Unlimited Incoming CNAM? Can anyone make any suggestions for a VOIP service that does this?
One good thing about POTS is that there's no marginal cost for CNAM. I'm not going to give up POTS ever (unless the service ceases to exist), but VOIP providers can be a great way to get additional voice lines for not a lot of money.
Though I've used Callcentric, and the service seems reliable, one thing I hate about it is the lack of CNAM.
Vitality appears to have it, but they charge a marginal fee for every incoming call. Call me old-fashioned if you want, but I don't think I should ever have to pay anything extra for an incoming call, unless it's on a toll-free number. I have a problem in general with any service that charges usage fees on things I can't control.
Is there any VOIP provider that has this?
I know there are scripts for Asterisk that look up CNAM info on AnyWho and Superpages, but I'm concerned about accuracy.
Testing with my POTS number, I get the correct address on AnyWho, but not on Superpages. In both cases at least the name is correct. |
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 usa2kBlessedPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-26
Canton, MI
kudos:3
 ·VOIPo
·WOW Internet and..
| I wonder if a shorter list is to say who lacks CNAM?
VOIPo will have unlimited incoming CNAM.
And unlimited outgoing.
What price range are you looking for?
Packet8 has CNAM
Vonage has CNAM
I've not really used other services, like the bargain services.
VOIPo should have an a-la-cart incoming only service with CNAM.
You point it at a SIP URL or a PSTN number.
A small monthly fee, 500 incoming, then a per minute rate.
It would be a good way to add a PSTN number to FreeWorldDialup.
VOIPo should be available soon if you get on their waiting list.
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said by benc:Can anyone make any suggestions for a VOIP service that does this? I use Future Nine and they have CNAM. |
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usa2kBlessedPremium,MVM
join:2003-01-26
Canton, MI
kudos:3 Reviews:
·VOIPo
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said by usa2k:VOIPo should have an a-la-cart incoming only service with CNAM. You point it at a SIP URL or a PSTN number. A small monthly fee, 500 incoming, then a per minute rate. It would be a good way to add a PSTN number to FreeWorldDialup. VOIPo should be available soon if you get on their waiting list. Actually, it was pointed out to me, that a forwarding product, is not responsible to display CNAM. That would depend on the service you are pointed at! 
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priller
join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
1 edit | reply to benc
Following offer CNAM without additional charge:
Quantumvoice
CallWithUs
Vonage
Junction Networks
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It's a real shame Callcentric doesn't offer CNAM. They have so many other features and great rates plans, from free to unlimited. I don't understand why they refuse to offer CNAM. |
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 RockyBBPremium
join:2005-01-31
Steamboat Springs, CO | said by priller: I don't understand why they refuse to offer CNAM. It costs money to do the database lookups for the name info. They evidently have decided that the profits on the accounts they don't get is less than the cost to provide the name info to their customer base. |
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Lingo and Teleblend offer both incoming and outgoing CNAM with no additional charge. |
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MartyT
join:2004-09-03
Georgetown, SC | I'm testing Future-Nine right now. When I call my number provided by them using a former Verizon number now with Vitelity, my caller ID shows up as "Unavailable". Since the CNAME database Future-Nine uses is from Verizon, you would think they would have a record of my number. Of course, once you go VOIP, I guess the landline companies figure you don't exist anymore. My point is that that whole caller ID world is no longer making any sense, and its getting harder and harder to rely upon it for anything anymore. |
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RockyBBPremium
join:2005-01-31
Steamboat Springs, CO | said by MartyT:I'm testing Future-Nine right now. When I call my number provided by them using a former Verizon number now with Vitelity, my caller ID shows up as "Unavailable". Since the CNAME database Future-Nine uses is from Verizon, you would think they would have a record of my number. The way you worded that implies that Vitelity did not maintain your CNAM in LIDB ... no complaint to F9 seems warranted.
said by MartyT:Of course, once you go VOIP, I guess the landline companies figure you don't exist anymore. My point is that that whole caller ID world is no longer making any sense, and its getting harder and harder to rely upon it for anything anymore. This problem is exacerbated by multiple LIDB vendors, and some providers evidently using old (cached?) data. As VOIP numbers get significant churn, until the databases sync up daily then inconsistency will result. |
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MartyT
join:2004-09-03
Georgetown, SC | My point is that it is difficult to assign responsibility to anyone these days. A LIDB that doesn't consider the world outside its own small portion of the telephone universe is pretty much useless these days, based on my experience.
I'm not faulting F9, but I am finding fault with Verizon, their CNAME provider. |
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RockyBBPremium
join:2005-01-31
Steamboat Springs, CO | I would think the "fault" lies with Vitelity which evidently did not maintain the CNAM when you ported the number to them -- which I think is what you were saying. When whatever LIDB Verizon uses was updated concurrent with the port in to Vitelity, if Vitelity left the name field blank, then that blank info would overwrite your previous name info. When Verizon looks, they see blank, and send blank to F9. I don't see how that's Verizon's responsibility, especially as you are not their customer anymore. |
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MartyT
join:2004-09-03
Georgetown, SC | Actually, the story is even more twisted than that.
When I ported from Verizon to Vitelity, I actually paid for a 411/white pages/yellow pages listing ($1.00 a month). This kept my business name in the phonebook, and I assume, in the CNAME databases.
Later, Vitelity stopped providing this service, saying that their underlying carrier stopped offering it.
I never signed up with Verizon after this to have a listing, but Verizon continues to this day to list me in their local white and yellow pages.
I am very tempted to port to F9 simply because they provide white/yellow page presence as part of their DID fee (once again apparently thru their Verizon relationship). I see this as a clear advantage for a small business looking at VOIP. I don't know how much longer Verizon will continue to list me as they have.
Apparently, the database for white/yellow pages never talks to the CNAME database at Verizon. If it did, I wouldn't be whining about all this now. |
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pandoraPremium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
kudos:1 Reviews:
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·Google Voice
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Get a free IPKALL number and pair with with a Future-Nine pay as you go plan. It'll cost $0 per month, and provide you with full incoming callerid information.
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cleal
join:2000-08-24
Fort Worth, TX | reply to MartyT
said by MartyT:I...... Since the CNAME database Future-Nine uses is from Verizon, you would think they would have a record of my number. Of course, once you go VOIP, I guess the landline companies figure you don't exist anymore. The problem is actually a bit further back in the food chain. The ILECs, Verizon, AT&T, etc., CAN have a reciprocal listing agreement for their 411 service with the ILECs that operate in their areas. They are supposed to be able to provide "foreign directory service" to each other. But, unless the FCC steps in and makes this a requirement, getting a DID and expecting anyone to find you by dialing 1411 is only a slim possibility. Broadvoice is the only vendor I've found that offers this. Vitelity is looking into it for me now. This is an area that most VoIP vendors are in the dark on, especially since some do not get their DIDs directly from the ILECs. |
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RockyBBPremium
join:2005-01-31
Steamboat Springs, CO | said by cleal:Broadvoice is the only vendor I've found that offers this. You'll need to look again. Carriers that use Verizon as an underlying DID provider are now offering listing and CNAM. Verizon Wholesale must be getting very aggressive as they have made inroads into several providers discussed on this board from time to time. |
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MartyT
join:2004-09-03
Georgetown, SC | I tried to call Verizon today to inquire into naked DSL in my area. I couldn't get thru. Tried three times. Was on hold for 30+ minutes once and then went to fast busy. What a waste. They should simply go wholesale and let more competent folks take over. |
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said by pandora:Get a free IPKALL number and pair with with a Future-Nine pay as you go plan. It'll cost $0 per month, and provide you with full incoming callerid information. How long do you think that will last? These companies are not making any money from you, how are the supposed to stay in business? We established that these database lookups cost money, and they still have to maintain their network. |
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pandoraPremium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
kudos:1 Reviews:
·ooma
·Google Voice
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·Comcast
2 edits | I don't know how long IPKALL has been in business for, I do know it is a free service I've had for a few months. If it stopped today, I'd have had some decent use of it. My free local number, which forwards to the IPKALL account is from Grandcentral. That is more of a concern to me than IPKALL.
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sokhapkinPremium
join:2003-05-08
Cape Coral, FL | reply to voipdude9
IPKALL makes money, they are getting profit from incoming calls to your free DID, PAYG F9 account costs nothing to F9, they are not in loss.
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bwthomasPremium
join:2008-07-20
Leesburg, VA | reply to benc
said by benc:Vitality appears to have it, but they charge a marginal fee for every incoming call. I've been using Vitelity for over two years, I've had as many as 10 lines with them at one time. The service is great, the customer service and tech support has been superior.
Yes, they charge a marginal fee for all calls inbound outbound, but that fee is so small. $1.49/month plus $0.011 per minute to $0.0149 per minute, depending on area code/rate center chosen.
And unlike a lot of VOIP services YOU chose how to terminate your lines; softphone, sip phone, ATA. I currently have only two VOIP lines active through my trixbox. I have one routed throughout the house on existing copper via ATA and the other assigned to my laptop softphone. The MOST I've spent on phone calls in a months time is around $15., that's 22 hours of talk time. |
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