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Depends really.. what if you keep buying dvd's now and decide to switch to bluray when its cheaper? you might end up buying your titles twice anyways.
For new DVD's, there about 5 bones cheaper that blurays (maybe 10 cheaper if your comparing to a day of release blowout dvd sale).
Blu-ray's go on sale too, DVD's that would be in a walmart bargain bin for 8.99 go on sale on amazon for 14.99 on bluray.
It's a bit more.. but I think blu-ray (hd-dvd too) looked a fair bit better on my 42inch lcd than a dvd. |
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What about $14.95 BDs? $19.95?
Not all BDs are $28... but you already know this!
Remember, some DVDs are $22 or more!
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4 edits | Sure, I'd buy a $10-$15 BRD which is my point if you read the thread. $28 which most discs are is a rip-off IMO. I simply refuse to pay $28+ for a movie I don't give a crap what media it's on. I won't pay $22 for a DVD either.
And there is nothing wrong with my math. For example in today's BB ad I'm looking at titles like Rambo and Jumper, fairly recent releases both types on sale...$15 DVD, $23 BRD and that is obviously a hair more than 50% higher and are very typical of sales around here and a good price for BRD.
And even in your own example "The Bank Job" CC has DVD for $15 while BRD is nearly 2X that at $28 and that's exactly my complaint. Typical movies on BRD are WAY more dough than DVD and I personally don't think BR is worth the price difference.
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And just as you do with your BRD...I'll rip my own digital copy for free...no point in paying 30% more for a DRMed up digital copy. |
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That's the beauty of the internet. Anyone can spread FUD. |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Or make unsubstantiated claims of someone spreading FUD. |
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| A "moderate" difference between Blu-ray and DVD? If you mean feature wise then yes you are correct. But if you are talking about picture quality, then I urge you to take an eye exam. The money maybe a deterrent but don't let that cloud your judgment. There is more than a "moderate" difference between the picture quality of pre-recorded 1080p HD on Blu-Ray and 480p DVD. |
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4 edits | Who said stopping at 480P? TVs and/or players often can upscale to whatever the TV can support. My Sony upscaling DVD player upscales to 1080P and the difference between media played on it vs BRD on my PS3 is marginal at best.
You have to flip between inputs to really see a difference. Yes, BRD is better, but not the huge difference you guys make it out to be. |
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said by Dogfather  :Sure, I'd buy a $10-$15 BRD which is my point if you read the thread. $28 which most discs are is a rip-off IMO. I simply refuse to pay $28+ for a movie I don't give a crap what media it's on. I won't pay $22 for a DVD either. And there is nothing wrong with my math. For example in today's BB ad I'm looking at titles like Rambo and Jumper, fairly recent releases both types on sale...$15 DVD, $23 BRD and that is obviously a hair more than 50% higher and are very typical of sales around here and a good price for BRD. And even in your own example "The Bank Job" CC has DVD for $15 while BRD is nearly 2X that at $28 and that's exactly my complaint. Typical movies on BRD are WAY more dough than DVD and I personally don't think BR is worth the price difference. » entertainment.circuitcity.com/Mo···23610DVDAnd just as you do with your BRD...I'll rip my own digital copy for free...no point in paying 30% more for a DRMed up digital copy. OK I will agree with you on the price difference between normal DVD & BRD, however when you say ''marginally'' better PQ that is a troll (IMO). 720x480 is DVD, 1920x1080 is BRD, due to math. The VHS to DVD jump was smaller yet I'm willing to bet you have no problem with VHS quality either. SVHS- 480 lines, DVD-520 lines, BRD 1080 lines. Perhaps me & most people have bald eagle vison but.. I noticed a helluva difference between the quality & clarity between S-VHS & DVD. The other arguement would be upscaled DVD, still doesn't compare with a good coded BRD. |
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1 edit | 1080P upscaled DVD is also 1920x1080. And the VHS to DVD jump wasn't all about resolution but also the switch from analog to digital.
Again, at no time did I say upscaled DVD is as good as BRD, just that BRD is just marginally better than upscaled DVD and certainly not so much better as to justify the price. This is from my experience owning both a dedicated 1080P upscaling players and multiple BRD players (1 PC based and 2 PS3s).
I've had similar discussions with my friends, who are Blu-Ray fans, and I've put media in my Sony 1080P DVD player and shocked the hell out of them. It certainly had them thinking twice about spending $28 on BRD media. |
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DVD as 480p, 720p, 768p, 1080i, 1080p w/e, it's still a resized 720x480 image, by that same token the BRD 1920x1080 is a downsized image of a master copy (e.g) Genesis has a 12.4 MP CCD @ 5760x2160. All-in-all what I'm trying to compute is the larger (or should I say more) that DVD get's upscaled it gets far more fragmented (worse/grainy/blurry/shitty take your pick). Anywho you could be perfectly happy with an upscaled DVD but me & a few others will prefer closer to the real thing (BRD). You get what you pay for. |
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I agree completely; BR on an LG multidrive (BR and HD-DVD) in my media center PC with a carefully tweaked and calibrated DLP projector on a ten foot screen and I have a smokin' home theatre that looks better than the 35mm I run as a part-time projectionist (been a union operator for twenty-six years).
I recently got the first season of Weeds, Life of Brian and Pan's Labrynth for $10 each at Amazon. And there are great prices here: »www.deepdiscount.com
So yeah, I agree with dadkins that there are LOTS of places to get BR pretty cheaply.
That doesn't mean I expect folks to run out and buy into the format, only that things aren't always as pricey as may first appear.  |
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Ah, you kids nowadays got it easy! I cut my teeth with laseridscs back in the early 80's and I remember paying up to $200 for a box set of the first five Star Trek films, $149 for the box set of JFK and $99 each for Alien, Aliens, etc.
Of course, back then our players were steam-powered and we were always arguing over which type of coal burned hotter and gave you a sharper picture, but hey...  |
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said by johnny_t :You get what you pay for. My point is...you don't. Not yet anyway. |
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said by Dogfather :Sorry if I don't see $28 BR movies and expensive hardware as the great deal you do. I don't buy BR movies or DVD movies. Period. All ripoffs... But BR is much better.
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i'll throw this out there:
For those of us with sub 52" HDTVs, and/or 720p sets, upscaled DVD vs BRD is a pointless fight. They look about the same.
I'm not going to buy a BRD player that can't upgrade to new profiles for $300-$400 bucks.
Once profiles are set; once players are sub $100; once discs are sub $19.99, then and only then *may* I begin to adopt BRD.
But frankly, i'd rather just use XBL or whatever upcoming broadband HD service there is to watch my HD movies.
I will likely never adopt BRD due to the cost.
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said by dadkins :I suppose you buy new DVDs for $8.00? When I see new DVDs at $22.95 and Blu-rays at $27.95... I'll usually buy the Blu-ray. If you think the picture difference is moderately better, maybe time to get a better display. Native 1080p picture, several choices of audio - including PCM(that's uncompressed). As opposed to a soft, upconverted DVD picture with severely compressed audio - knock yourself out! Now, if I see a movie that I don't have yet in the $5.99 bin, I'll probably snag it and forego the Blu-ray. For that priceless look on someone's face when they see what their whoop-ass HDTV can actually do compared to cable HD/Dish HD/upconverted DVD, I'll pick Blu-ray every time! un some movies just look like crap
MY display is Full HD 1920x1080P
there is an LOT of white noise similar like watching snowy analog tv
DVD does not have this issuse
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said by Dogfather :1080P upscaled DVD is also 1920x1080. And the VHS to DVD jump wasn't all about resolution but also the switch from analog to digital. But that 4mbps video on DVD vs 35mbps encode on blu ray. i'll take the blu ray if its a movie i really like.
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| said by dvd536 :said by Dogfather :1080P upscaled DVD is also 1920x1080. And the VHS to DVD jump wasn't all about resolution but also the switch from analog to digital. But that 4mbps video on DVD vs 35mbps encode on blu ray. i'll take the blu ray if its a movie i really like. I thought you would have chosen the DVD since you frigging named yourself after it! 
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2 edits | reply to dvd536
um dvd's look better then most Blu-ray movies
that is using HDMI |
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