Re: Good in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20784463 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:15 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:15 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20794754 VictorWI : Hey, thanks for the link. I see they have Stargate on BD for only $15. LOL. That DVD is the first one I ever got (freebie with the player back in 1999 I think) and it's a flipper - time to replace that with glorious 1080p and DTS HD audio!!!

I say if it looks better to you and you have the money I see no reason not to go with BD. If it doesn't look good or you can't afford the extra 30%-40% stick with DVD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20794754 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:37:28 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789708 ReVeLaTeD : I'm going to refer back to HD-DVD, which had the one movie that Blu-Ray has yet to surpass in overall quality: King Kong.

That is a night/day difference over other sources: DVD, even the theater version can't hold a candle to the HD-DVD version. I think the problem, and what you're referring to, is that the movie publishers aren't giving their all to the Blu-ray side of things; they're really half-assing the releases of the HD movies, which hurts it IMO. Take for example, The Ultimate Matrix Collection/Complete Matrix Trilogy...the quality is better than DVD but not by too far. Also Animatrix is plain Jane DVD; there's really no point to getting the Ulitmate collection over the Trilogy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789708 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:26:10 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789645 tiger72 : along the lines of transcode360 is tversity...
»tversity.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789645 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:14:57 EDT Re: But Sony PS3 won't reduce their price http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789596 fireflier : And don't forget Sony's on-line gaming network doesn't require a paid subscription.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789596 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:07:08 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789580 fireflier : If the picture quality of a Blu-Ray movie looks significantly worse than the upscaled DVD you compare, then you have something that needs serious adjustment/tweaking or you have a piece of incompatible equipment somewhere in there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20789580 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:04:35 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788442 mobbo : I use the Xbox's HDD for game saves and keep my media on a different PC in my house so I don't use the space on the Xbox HDD. I download my TV shows on BT to that other PC and use the Media Center Extender to watch the media on my Xbox. It's an easy setup and my media is stored on my home PC with 1TB of storage (upgradeable of course).

One huge drawback though is that Media Center Extenders do not let you watch divx/xvid through the Media Center interface. You can watch them using the Windows Media Player on Xbox's dashboard (dumb and ugly), but there is a nice freeware tool out there called Transcode 360 (google it if you want to take a peek) that will stream divx/xvid media to your Xbox MCE for playback through the MCE interface.

So if you setup your media on a home PC with a large HDD capacity, setup Xbox 360 to be a MCE, and use Transcode 360 to watch divx/xvid through the MCE interface, you don't have to worry too much about space on the Xbox HDD.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 each have their advantages and disadvantages, but I do like Xbox LIVE more than PS3's multiplayer community.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788442 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:29:17 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787628 Tha ReAlEsT : I have a couple of new blue ray movies in my amazon shopping cart and the most expensive is $19. I dont have any BR movies but they seem to be pretty decent in price(the dvd version is the same price by the way). O yea i have spider man 3 with the ps3 but never watched it.
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I think on any tv 40" or bigger there is a noticible difference between DVD and bluray/hd dvd. The picture is so much sharper and vibrant. Upconversion is ok, but dvd's tend to be a fair bit softer than an HD source.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787403 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:26:49 EDT Re: But Sony PS3 won't reduce their price http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786979 BF69 :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

»www.gamespot.com/news/6193650.ht···;title;1
So will Microsoft's latest move spark a response from Sony? No, according to Nobuyuki Oneda, the electronics giant's chief financial officer. "Our plan is not to reduce the price," the executive told the Nomura Asia Equity forum in Singapore, reports Dow Jones. "Our strategy is not to sell more quantity for PS3 but to concentrate on profitability."

Sony's emphasis on making the PS3 profitable has greatly lessened the console's drag on the company's finances.

Xbox 360 Pro will soon cost just $299.... will make it just $50 more than the Nintendo Wii and $100 cheaper than the $399 40GB PlayStation 3.
Yeah $100 cheaper with HALF the HDD space and no wi-fi. The wi-fi add-on is $100 all by itself. Not to metion no blu-ray and the 360 HDD is gimped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786979 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:30:42 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786880 BF69 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

But if they want to push the XBL store/rentals they need to drop the price of the HDD add on upgrades. $160+ for 120GB HDD is dumb.
$160 more like $180. They should do like Sony and let people add there own HDD. PS3 owners can add a 250 GB HDD for less than $125.

Also you can't transfer anything you you got from XBL or game saves to a external HDD. That's stupid. Why should I buy Tv shows form XBL when if I reach my 120 GB capacity I either have to delete it off the HDD( I know I can re-dowload it for free, but that's then that takes time plus then I have to delete something else ) or spend another $180 for another 120 GB HDD which means having to swap 2 HDDs out all the time. Since I can play Amazon un-box shows on a 360( and my PC and a laptop and certain portable media players etc etc ) and I'm not using up valuable HDD space on the 360, I would buy my shows from Amazon not MS. So maybe when MS realizes how much money they are losing they'll do what's right.

Hell you can't even use a USB thumb drive for game saves like you can with the PS3. You have to use $50 memory cards that only hold 512 MB. And I can get a 2 GB USB thumb drive for $20.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786880 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:02:26 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786019 aaronwt :
said by tiger72 See Profile :

i'll throw this out there:

For those of us with sub 52" HDTVs, and/or 720p sets, upscaled DVD vs BRD is a pointless fight. They look about the same.

I'm not going to buy a BRD player that can't upgrade to new profiles for $300-$400 bucks.

Once profiles are set; once players are sub $100; once discs are sub $19.99, then and only then *may* I begin to adopt BRD.

But frankly, i'd rather just use XBL or whatever upcoming broadband HD service there is to watch my HD movies.

I will likely never adopt BRD due to the cost.
I agree with 720P sets you see less of a difference, but even with a small 40" 1080P set I can easily see the difference between an upconverted DVD and a 1080P HD DVD/BD.

I've been scaling my DVDs to HD resolutions since 2001. The difference is glaringly obvious with a 1080i or 1080P display. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786019 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:01:41 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785937 Anonymous_ : um dvd's look better then most Blu-ray movies
that is using HDMI
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said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

1080P upscaled DVD is also 1920x1080. And the VHS to DVD jump wasn't all about resolution but also the switch from analog to digital.
But that 4mbps video on DVD vs 35mbps encode on blu ray. i'll take the blu ray if its a movie i really like.
I thought you would have chosen the DVD since you frigging named yourself after it! :D

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said by Dogfather See Profile :

1080P upscaled DVD is also 1920x1080. And the VHS to DVD jump wasn't all about resolution but also the switch from analog to digital.
But that 4mbps video on DVD vs 35mbps encode on blu ray. i'll take the blu ray if its a movie i really like.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

I suppose you buy new DVDs for $8.00?

When I see new DVDs at $22.95 and Blu-rays at $27.95... I'll usually buy the Blu-ray.
If you think the picture difference is moderately better, maybe time to get a better display.

Native 1080p picture, several choices of audio - including PCM(that's uncompressed).

As opposed to a soft, upconverted DVD picture with severely compressed audio - knock yourself out!

Now, if I see a movie that I don't have yet in the $5.99 bin, I'll probably snag it and forego the Blu-ray.

For that priceless look on someone's face when they see what their whoop-ass HDTV can actually do compared to cable HD/Dish HD/upconverted DVD, I'll pick Blu-ray every time! ;)
un some movies just look like crap

MY display is Full HD 1920x1080P

there is an LOT of white noise similar like watching snowy analog tv

DVD does not have this issuse

very Noticeable from 8 feet away]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785502 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:39:45 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785399 tiger72 : i'll throw this out there:

For those of us with sub 52" HDTVs, and/or 720p sets, upscaled DVD vs BRD is a pointless fight. They look about the same.

I'm not going to buy a BRD player that can't upgrade to new profiles for $300-$400 bucks.

Once profiles are set; once players are sub $100; once discs are sub $19.99, then and only then *may* I begin to adopt BRD.

But frankly, i'd rather just use XBL or whatever upcoming broadband HD service there is to watch my HD movies.

I will likely never adopt BRD due to the cost.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

Sorry if I don't see $28 BR movies and expensive hardware as the great deal you do.
I don't buy BR movies or DVD movies. Period. All ripoffs... But BR is much better.
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said by johnny_t See Profile :

You get what you pay for.
My point is...you don't. Not yet anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785337 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:57:39 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785335 Dogfather : Hey, I still use my DVL-919.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785335 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:57:08 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785250 Desdinova : Ah, you kids nowadays got it easy! I cut my teeth with laseridscs back in the early 80's and I remember paying up to $200 for a box set of the first five Star Trek films, $149 for the box set of JFK and $99 each for Alien, Aliens, etc.

Of course, back then our players were steam-powered and we were always arguing over which type of coal burned hotter and gave you a sharper picture, but hey... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785250 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:35:06 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785229 Desdinova : I agree completely; BR on an LG multidrive (BR and HD-DVD) in my media center PC with a carefully tweaked and calibrated DLP projector on a ten foot screen and I have a smokin' home theatre that looks better than the 35mm I run as a part-time projectionist (been a union operator for twenty-six years).

I recently got the first season of Weeds, Life of Brian and Pan's Labrynth for $10 each at Amazon. And there are great prices here: »www.deepdiscount.com

So yeah, I agree with dadkins that there are LOTS of places to get BR pretty cheaply.

That doesn't mean I expect folks to run out and buy into the format, only that things aren't always as pricey as may first appear. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785229 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:28:24 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785226 johnny_t : DVD as 480p, 720p, 768p, 1080i, 1080p w/e, it's still a resized 720x480 image, by that same token the BRD 1920x1080 is a downsized image of a master copy (e.g) Genesis has a 12.4 MP CCD @ 5760x2160. All-in-all what I'm trying to compute is the larger (or should I say more) that DVD get's upscaled it gets far more fragmented (worse/grainy/blurry/shitty take your pick). Anywho you could be perfectly happy with an upscaled DVD but me & a few others will prefer closer to the real thing (BRD). You get what you pay for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785226 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:27:28 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785106 Dogfather : 1080P upscaled DVD is also 1920x1080. And the VHS to DVD jump wasn't all about resolution but also the switch from analog to digital.

Again, at no time did I say upscaled DVD is as good as BRD, just that BRD is just marginally better than upscaled DVD and certainly not so much better as to justify the price. This is from my experience owning both a dedicated 1080P upscaling players and multiple BRD players (1 PC based and 2 PS3s).

I've had similar discussions with my friends, who are Blu-Ray fans, and I've put media in my Sony 1080P DVD player and shocked the hell out of them. It certainly had them thinking twice about spending $28 on BRD media.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785106 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:57:06 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785051 johnny_t :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

What about $14.95 BDs? $19.95?
Not all BDs are $28... but you already know this!
Remember, some DVDs are $22 or more!

»entertainment.circuitcity.com/Mo···23609DVD
Sure, I'd buy a $10-$15 BRD which is my point if you read the thread. $28 which most discs are is a rip-off IMO. I simply refuse to pay $28+ for a movie I don't give a crap what media it's on. I won't pay $22 for a DVD either.

And there is nothing wrong with my math. For example in today's BB ad I'm looking at titles like Rambo and Jumper, fairly recent releases both types on sale...$15 DVD, $23 BRD and that is obviously a hair more than 50% higher and are very typical of sales around here and a good price for BRD.

And even in your own example "The Bank Job" CC has DVD for $15 while BRD is nearly 2X that at $28 and that's exactly my complaint. Typical movies on BRD are WAY more dough than DVD and I personally don't think BR is worth the price difference.

»entertainment.circuitcity.com/Mo···23610DVD

And just as you do with your BRD...I'll rip my own digital copy for free...no point in paying 30% more for a DRMed up digital copy.
OK I will agree with you on the price difference between normal DVD & BRD, however when you say ''marginally'' better PQ that is a troll (IMO). 720x480 is DVD, 1920x1080 is BRD, due to math. The VHS to DVD jump was smaller yet I'm willing to bet you have no problem with VHS quality either. SVHS- 480 lines, DVD-520 lines, BRD 1080 lines. Perhaps me & most people have bald eagle vison but.. I noticed a helluva difference between the quality & clarity between S-VHS & DVD. The other arguement would be upscaled DVD, still doesn't compare with a good coded BRD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785051 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:44:26 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784987 Dogfather : Who said stopping at 480P? TVs and/or players often can upscale to whatever the TV can support. My Sony upscaling DVD player upscales to 1080P and the difference between media played on it vs BRD on my PS3 is marginal at best.

You have to flip between inputs to really see a difference. Yes, BRD is better, but not the huge difference you guys make it out to be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784987 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:32:28 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784916 Phoenix2088 : A "moderate" difference between Blu-ray and DVD? If you mean feature wise then yes you are correct. But if you are talking about picture quality, then I urge you to take an eye exam. The money maybe a deterrent but don't let that cloud your judgment. There is more than a "moderate" difference between the picture quality of pre-recorded 1080p HD on Blu-Ray and 480p DVD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784916 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:16:15 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784896 Dogfather : Or make unsubstantiated claims of someone spreading FUD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784896 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:11:06 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784887 Phoenix2088 : That's the beauty of the internet. Anyone can spread FUD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784887 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:09:19 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784649 Dogfather :
said by dadkins See Profile :

What about $14.95 BDs? $19.95?
Not all BDs are $28... but you already know this!
Remember, some DVDs are $22 or more!

»entertainment.circuitcity.com/Mo···23609DVD
Sure, I'd buy a $10-$15 BRD which is my point if you read the thread. $28 which most discs are is a rip-off IMO. I simply refuse to pay $28+ for a movie I don't give a crap what media it's on. I won't pay $22 for a DVD either.

And there is nothing wrong with my math. For example in today's BB ad I'm looking at titles like Rambo and Jumper, fairly recent releases both types on sale...$15 DVD, $23 BRD and that is obviously a hair more than 50% higher and are very typical of sales around here and a good price for BRD.

And even in your own example "The Bank Job" CC has DVD for $15 while BRD is nearly 2X that at $28 and that's exactly my complaint. Typical movies on BRD are WAY more dough than DVD and I personally don't think BR is worth the price difference.

»entertainment.circuitcity.com/Mo···23610DVD

And just as you do with your BRD...I'll rip my own digital copy for free...no point in paying 30% more for a DRMed up digital copy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784649 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:08:50 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784608 dadkins : What about $14.95 BDs? $19.95?
Not all BDs are $28... but you already know this!
Remember, some DVDs are $22 or more!

»entertainment.circuitcity.com/Mo···23609DVD
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For new DVD's, there about 5 bones cheaper that blurays (maybe 10 cheaper if your comparing to a day of release blowout dvd sale).

Blu-ray's go on sale too, DVD's that would be in a walmart bargain bin for 8.99 go on sale on amazon for 14.99 on bluray.

It's a bit more.. but I think blu-ray (hd-dvd too) looked a fair bit better on my 42inch lcd than a dvd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784607 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:56:45 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784598 dadkins : Agreed!
I have no intentions of replacing all my DVDs.
For the new movies, I will likely buy the Blu-ray version.
I will also pick-n-choose as to when I buy them... like on sale! BOGOs.
Special Offers. ;)

Spending a whopping $5 more for the BD version and getting way better PQ and AQ *IS* worth it - to me at least.

No reason for some people to try and misinform people because they cannot see how much better Blu-ray is in PQ and AQ.
Some of us can see and hear the difference.
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BTW, your math is fried friend, $22 - $27 is not 50% more.

Re read my posts, I still buy DVDs, but I prefer to buy Blu-ray - they *ARE* better! ;)

My last BD cost $18.99. I look for sales too. :o
Maybe next time compare DVDs on sale to the same movie on BD that is on sale.
Not a bargain bin DVD vs a new BD release. Lets be fair.
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And I have PS3s on both my big screens, I'm well aware of Blu-Ray quality as well as it's problems.

You want to waste money on BR media...that's just awesome. No one is stopping you. Me, I'd rather not pay 50% more for media that will only play on a couple of my players.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784528 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:31:09 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784514 dadkins :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Yes, I often get new release DVD's for $10 and never pay more than $15.

No way in hell I'll ever waste $28-$35 on a typical BR disc. Even BR sales prices are typically 50% higher than DVD.
Ok, where?
I see on Amazon BDs sell for $24 or less.
I see new releases of DVDs sell at CC for $22.95 and the same BD sell for $27.99 - I'll choose the BD!

Here, some interesting screen captures:
»www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre···t=811102

Yeah, so close...
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Addendum: Let's not forget that it'll probably take YEARS for back-catalogs, Indy, obscure, etc., material to ever make it to BR (I'm not always just wanting the big blockbusters from the last few years!). Hell, it took that long just to get some of it on DVD & we're still waiting for some (or in my case, sometimes buying a foreign-region DVD).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784509 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:24:37 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784487 Dogfather : Yes, I often get new release DVD's for $10 and never pay more than $15 and those disc can be played in any drive or player I have or any of my friends have.

No way in hell I'll ever waste $28-$35 on a typical BR disc. Even BR sales prices are typically 50% higher than DVD.

But I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. You want to waste money on overpriced media, that is your prerogative but it would be dumb for MS to run back up the price of the XBOX 360 with BR. MS would serve themselves best by making the console as cheap as possible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784487 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:17:38 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784485 Dogfather : Sorry if I don't see $28 BR movies and expensive hardware as the great deal you do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784485 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:16:44 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784477 Tzale :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

No thanks. Blu-Ray blows. It's overpriced, the media is a rip-off and after all that the quality only moderately better than upscaled DVD.

If the movies were $10 and the drive was $40, maybe.

IMO it's better for MS to get the price of the console down as cheap as possible or God forbid improve the mfg quality.
You're fucking joking me, right?
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When I see new DVDs at $22.95 and Blu-rays at $27.95... I'll usually buy the Blu-ray.
If you think the picture difference is moderately better, maybe time to get a better display.

Native 1080p picture, several choices of audio - including PCM(that's uncompressed).

As opposed to a soft, upconverted DVD picture with severely compressed audio - knock yourself out!

Now, if I see a movie that I don't have yet in the $5.99 bin, I'll probably snag it and forego the Blu-ray.

For that priceless look on someone's face when they see what their whoop-ass HDTV can actually do compared to cable HD/Dish HD/upconverted DVD, I'll pick Blu-ray every time! ;)
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Think outside the Fox... Opera]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784463 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:12:12 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784297 Dogfather : Because the Cadillac is an overpriced POS? Read the thread.

I NEVER said there isn't a difference. I said the moderate difference isn't worth the much higher price of both hardware and media. I said if the drive was $40 and media $10 maybe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784297 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:20:29 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784279 bogey780 : Why drive a Cadillac when a Yugo is just as good? If you don't see a difference then you're just not being honest.

Hell, people here gnash and wail about ATM and PPPoE. That's not as big as the performance and bandwidth difference between 480i and 1080p.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784279 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:15:46 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784231 Mike : True.

Netflix to the rescue, I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784231 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:02:44 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784229 Kompressor : Sony Blu-Ray sucks ass.

And what's with this 60GB crap? Why isn't there a 320GB option? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784229 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:02:30 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784199 tiger72 : technically it's 1080p > 480p upscaled.

Nonetheless, it's still way overpriced. I'm not paying $29.99 for a movie.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784199 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:54:03 EDT Re: But Sony PS3 won't reduce their price http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784171 Dogfather : Then MS would just sell that many more units.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784171 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:43:51 EDT But Sony PS3 won't reduce their price http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784163 TKJunkMail : »www.gamespot.com/news/6193650.ht···;title;1
So will Microsoft's latest move spark a response from Sony? No, according to Nobuyuki Oneda, the electronics giant's chief financial officer. "Our plan is not to reduce the price," the executive told the Nomura Asia Equity forum in Singapore, reports Dow Jones. "Our strategy is not to sell more quantity for PS3 but to concentrate on profitability."

Sony's emphasis on making the PS3 profitable has greatly lessened the console's drag on the company's finances.

Xbox 360 Pro will soon cost just $299.... will make it just $50 more than the Nintendo Wii and $100 cheaper than the $399 40GB PlayStation 3.

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upscale dvd looks like garbage to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784074 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:13:39 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784021 Dogfather : No thanks. Blu-Ray blows. It's overpriced, the media is a rip-off and after all that the quality only moderately better than upscaled DVD.

If the movies were $10 and the drive was $40, maybe.

IMO it's better for MS to get the price of the console down as cheap as possible or God forbid improve the mfg quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784021 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:00:58 EDT Re: Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784016 Mike : ...that and add a Blu-ray player.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20784016 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:58:56 EDT Good http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783985 Dogfather : But if they want to push the XBL store/rentals they need to drop the price of the HDD add on upgrades. $160+ for 120GB HDD is dumb.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20783985 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:50:39 EDT