 Mike00Premium
join:2002-09-16
Tulsa, OK | blue ray I just spent $450 on my first xbox 360 elite less than a week ago. now i'm hearing rumors of prices dropping and the possibility of a new version that will include blue ray playback. i hope i didn't buy too soon. |
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| said by Mike00:I just spent $450 on my first xbox 360 elite less than a week ago. now i'm hearing rumors of prices dropping and the possibility of a new version that will include blue ray playback. i hope i didn't buy too soon. And that's another reason why this is such a problem. The way they keep altering prices and adding/dropping console "versions" prevents many customers from ever being able to feel comfortable with their purchase. |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Mike00
MS has already refuted the BR rumor. No BR for the 360. |
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I'm thinking the same thing. I'm also saving to get the Elite as well. $450 is damned too high w/o a BR player IMHO. Now we're just paying for the black skin. |
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dagg
join:2001-03-25
Galt, CA | reply to Dogfather
thats not exactly correct. what they said was that they were waiting to talk to Toshiba regarding the subject, but that there were not any "immediate" plans to do anything with BR. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Mike00
said by Mike00:I just spent $450 on my first xbox 360 elite less than a week ago. now i'm hearing rumors of prices dropping and the possibility of a new version that will include blue ray playback. i hope i didn't buy too soon. Why not just get a PS3?
$450 elite +$50 XBL susbscription +$100 wi-fi add-on=$600
40 GB PS3 with built in wi-fi $400 + 250 GB laptop hard drive $125, online play $0 =$525 and oh yeah, you get a blu-ray player too. |
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 C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Other than MGS4, majority of what I'll be playing on a PS3 will be PS2 and PS1 games. And the 40GB can't play PS2 games at all.
And the argument "then just keep your PS2" doesn't work here, because what's the point of buying the new generation if you still have to keep the old one going along? It's just more wasted wires and A/C plugs to keep them all hooked up.
And from a business standpoint... WHY would you ignore your most successful generation of product in the newest generation? Anyone with an ounce of sense would have realized it was in Sony's best interest to maintain PS2 BC as close to 100% as possible, and scrap PS1 BC if anything. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | They're not ignoring it, just cutting PS2 emulation features in the bottom end model to get it as cheap as possible. You can still get SW emulation, you just have to spend more. MS did the same with their bottom end unit.
As for keeping the previous model there are plenty of reasons I keep my PS2, XBOX and GC hooked up...Matrix Infinity, Xecuter 3 and before I got my WiiKey, the Qoob Pro. Especially with PS2 and XBOX, I love the convenience of having titles on HDD. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to C0deZer0
said by C0deZer0:Other than MGS4, majority of what I'll be playing on a PS3 will be PS2 and PS1 games. And the 40GB can't play PS2 games at all. And the argument "then just keep your PS2" doesn't work here, because what's the point of buying the new generation if you still have to keep the old one going along? It's just more wasted wires and A/C plugs to keep them all hooked up. If all you are doing is playing PS2 and PS1 games why buy a PS3 in the first place to begin with?
Some of the XBOX 360s don't play XBOX games. And those that do only play SOME XBOX games not all. That's why they have them for download on XBL.
And from a business standpoint... WHY would you ignore your most successful generation of product in the newest generation? Anyone with an ounce of sense would have realized it was in Sony's best interest to maintain PS2 BC as close to 100% as possible, and scrap PS1 BC if anything. The PS3 can play PS1 games because no extra hardware or software had to be added. Sure they could have made the 40 GB PS3 play PS2 games and the price would have to had been $450. Would they be selling as many PS3's at that price point? I think not.
Also when the XBOX 360 came out MS totally abandoned the XBOX. Did Sony do that with the PS2 when the PS3 came out?
When I first got a PS2 I thought it was great it could still play PS1 games. Within a month I noticed I never played any PS1 games anymore anyways.
My son wanted a 360 for Christmas he never had an XBOX he had a PS2. After he got his 360 he never touched the PS2. I gave it to my sister and sold the games she didn't want.
Also why would the PS3 not playing PS2 games be a selling point for the 360? They can't play PS2 games either. |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | Sony used the fact that the 360 had limited Xbox 1 compatibility as a selling point for their original, "good" version of the PS3. At the time, Sony had hardware BC for most of the PS1/2 game library.
Currently, you either get a 40GB with NO bc, or you get an 80GB with software BC, which despite whatever Sony tells you, still glitches on games that would have worked no problem with the launch 20/60GB models.
Reasons I'd want/need a PS3 include:
•It's the only BD player worth a damn, because it's the only one that's going to survive Sony's revision fetish with the format. It's the only BD player that has successfully been able to go from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 and then to 2.0; no other stand-alone on the market could do that.
•With the ability to load an OS and actually create PS3 code on the ps3 itself, it gives a funky way of trying out new things that I could get into relevant to my field-of-study.
•MGS 4 is basically the first ps3-specific game I genuinely want, because almost everything else I'd want to play I probably already have for the 360, Windows, or something else.
The current compatibility update for the 360 regarding Xbox 1 BC now has it up to 51% of the library. Considering what they started out with initially, they aren't doing too badly. Yes, I'd wish that it had hardware BC, since I had quite a few titles for the Xbox 1 I would have liked to keep. But thankfully, the ones that were make-or-break for me do work (now). And i still go back to them now and again. Just like I go back and play old-skool stuff on the Wii VC, on emulation, playing ps1 stuff on my ps2, and so on. Graphics are one thing, but a good game will always be a good game to me, no matter how old it is.
From a practicality standpoint, it just doesn't make sense for me to say have a separate PS1 (on life support), and a PS2 (also on life support), alongside a PS3 just so I can play my full library, when Sony shouldn't be having to sweat to make it so that the one PS3 can play everything. Yet their current business strategy seems to suggest this is what I'd have to do. Well, that's only all well and good until they and third-party manufacturers stop making stuff that will still work on the PS2 in favor of the PS3. Or when my ps2 (inevitably) goes south, what then? How the hell am I going to be able to go back to the rather significant library of games I'd amassed on it? That's a pretty harsh blow. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by C0deZer0:Currently, you either get a 40GB with NO bc, or you get an 80GB with software BC, which despite whatever Sony tells you, still glitches on games that would have worked no problem with the launch 20/60GB models. I hate to break it to you but every single slim PS2 that has been sold for the last 4 years uses software emulation not hardware. So unless you're using a bulky PS2 made before 2004 then you're getting the same kind of PS2 emulation.
Reasons I'd want/need a PS3 include:
•It's the only BD player worth a damn, because it's the only one that's going to survive Sony's revision fetish with the format. It's the only BD player that has successfully been able to go from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 and then to 2.0; no other stand-alone on the market could do that.
•With the ability to load an OS and actually create PS3 code on the ps3 itself, it gives a funky way of trying out new things that I could get into relevant to my field-of-study.
•MGS 4 is basically the first ps3-specific game I genuinely want, because almost everything else I'd want to play I probably already have for the 360, Windows, or something else. Ok then get it.
The current compatibility update for the 360 regarding Xbox 1 BC now has it up to 51% of the library. Considering what they started out with initially, they aren't doing too badly. They aren't working on BC anymore and the Arcade version doesn't have ANY BC at all.
From a practicality standpoint, it just doesn't make sense for me to say have a separate PS1 (on life support), and a PS2 (also on life support), alongside a PS3 just so I can play my full library, when Sony shouldn't be having to sweat to make it so that the one PS3 can play everything. The PS3 does in fact play PS1 games. Nuff said. The 80 plays PS2 games. Yes it's software emulation, but as I said every PS2 made in the last 4 years does it the SAME way.
Yet their current business strategy seems to suggest this is what I'd have to do. Well, that's only all well and good until they and third-party manufacturers stop making stuff that will still work on the PS2 in favor of the PS3. Or when my ps2 (inevitably) goes south, what then? How the hell am I going to be able to go back to the rather significant library of games I'd amassed on it? That's a pretty harsh blow.
Life's bitch. We old farts when from LPs to CDs we didn't expect the CD player to play LPs. when we wnt from VHS to DVD you didn't expect your DVD player to play VHS tapes did you? GameCube's weren't BC with N64. N64 wasn't BC with Super Nintendo. |
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mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | reply to jarthur31
Am I missing something here? The Xbox 360 "Go Pro" package is $349 (about to be $299). It has HDMI, 1080p output, a wireless controller, and the latest "better" processor (less RRoD). So what is the advantage of the Elite now besides the larger HDD? |
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
1 edit | said by mobbo:Am I missing something here? The Xbox 360 "Go Pro" package is $349 (about to be $299). It has HDMI, 1080p output, a wireless controller, and the latest "better" processor (less RRoD). So what is the advantage of the Elite now besides the larger HDD? It comes prepackaged with the MS HDMI cable package, which includes the breakout box needed if you want to use analog stereo out or digital optical audio output from the 360, say to a home theater system or something.
Otherwise, if you can use JUST the HDMI for everything, then it's not a big deal.
IIRC, the Elite also comes with the play&charge for its controller, where the Pro does not. |
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mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Ahh, I see. I guess I'm not missing out on much since I use wireless headphones so I don't bother my girlfriend when I lay down the ownage on kids. |
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 fireflierCoffee. . .Need CoffeePremium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo | reply to C0deZer0
If memory serves, Sony is working on a firmware upgrade that will eventually resolve that issue for the low-end consoles that can't handle the PS2 games right now.
I don't remember where I read it (some obscure site while I was looking for something else) but I believe they are working to resolve that glaring oversight.
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C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | said by fireflier:If memory serves, Sony is working on a firmware upgrade that will eventually resolve that issue for the low-end consoles that can't handle the PS2 games right now. I don't remember where I read it (some obscure site while I was looking for something else) but I believe they are working to resolve that glaring oversight. Only people even talking about that were the fascistLovely folks at liegamestop; they'd been claiming Sony would bring it in since before the 2.40 firmware update, and that it would be a pay-for add-on. But without any hardware to really work with, its compatibility rate stands to be even less than the currently software-BC models, unless this update also improves compatibility for those with 80GB units.
That being said, I'm not going to hold my breath for it... at this point I may just try scouring the auction sites to see if I can snag myself a 20 or 60GB model for a reasonable price (by that, meaning less than the MSRP of a 40). |
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