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Re: It's about time!
said by pandora  :My point is entertainment content providers who are also broadband providers may not wish to facilitate business plans that detract from their own entertainment offerings. Which is why I suspect we are seeing so much discussion of caps. Yes, exactly. It's not because of a Network management issue, it's a anti-competitive move. (IE protect our Video offerings from Internet competition by hamstringing our customers.)
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I tend to agree, we are provided a broadband pipe to use for internet access and should be able to use it as we please. At the same time, there is a bunch of free HD content available on my DVR's that I am concerned about downloading. It may push me over the cap if I do more than a very few on a single DVR.
It's nice that internet use is expanding to include safe, pre-paid / free videos for display on TV sets or PC's, eventually Congress may need to mediate if the caps are set too low. Internet evolution is in my opinion a good thing. I am so happy to see all the free content available on my DVR's available from Internet servers.
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Of course, which is complete bull when it comes to a utility that is a natural oligarchy. Content provision shouldn't be allowed to become a similar monopoly simply b/c the guy who operates the toll road [of which there is naturally a limited number of] wants to start his own trucking business. |
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said by KrK :Why do you think they get it free? Their bandwidth bills are enormous. I think we are talking over each other. Microsoft, Sony, Blockbuster, NetFlix, DirecTV or any other internet entertainment providers business plan is to have customers with high speed internet. This is assumed as part of their plan and at no cost to them. My point is entertainment content providers who are also broadband providers may not wish to facilitate business plans that detract from their own entertainment offerings. Which is why I suspect we are seeing so much discussion of caps.
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said by pandora :Free as in free to - Microsoft, Sony, Blockbuster, NetFlix, DirecTV or any other provider. Why do you think they get it free? Their bandwidth bills are enormous. |
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said by KrK :Where do you get this "Free" idea from? Last I checked, my connection isn't free... Free as in free to - Microsoft, Sony, Blockbuster, NetFlix, DirecTV or any other provider.
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said by pandora :Do incumbent internet providers really want to let Microsoft, Sony, Blockbuster, NetFlix, DirecTV or any other provider to ride their service free and provide competing entertainment content? Where do you get this "Free" idea from? Last I checked, my connection isn't free... This type of service is *exactly* why I pay for broadband in the first place. The people who provide these video services pay for the bandwidth, and we, the users, PAY the incumbents for access just for this type of content. They are plenty compensated.... The idea that "Hey they shouldn't be able to use our network for their stuff" is something right out of at&t's playbook.
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said by xargs :said by tiger72 :The problem there is value. That Roku box only does netflix. Roku is talking to other content providers. They don't have an exclusive agreement with Netflix. Nor does Netflix have an exclusive with Roku.
Good to see there are other boxes.
I love Netflix streaming. It actually works 100%, even on 768k DSL, and it never gives me BSOD or reboots or any of the usual video / DRM / windows / usb nonsense.
The library is fairly spartan at 10,000 titles, but it provides me with more than I could ever desire to watch.
I'm optimistic that Netflix will figure a way to deal with the licensing for the rest of the titles.
We'll need Netflix, Blockbuster Online, Amazon and Google's combined legal pocketbooks to fight against unreasonable caps. Otherwise, online delivery will go the way of DAT, DCC, Personics, Divx, Beta...
Lets hope Microsoft doesn't find a way to ruin a good thing. |
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DirecTV provides free and fee video streaming with their newer high definition DVR's. The problem with these services is going to be one of internet caps by providers. TWC, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T all provide high speed internet and have their own entertainment offerings over ethernet that they want to push.
Do incumbent internet providers really want to let Microsoft, Sony, Blockbuster, NetFlix, DirecTV or any other provider to ride their service free and provide competing entertainment content?
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1. I've seen all of the new movies. That's why I got rid of my netflix subscription. The few new movies that come out that are any good I see in theaters.
2. Netflix has a massive library of older classics (which are what I watch streaming). For those movies, a queue doesn't satisfy me because unlike new movies, my desire to see old movies is based upon my mood, not wanting to see a recent film now.
3. For new movies, I choose to get those from other sources. Those sources very rarely have older movies.
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Enjoy watching all of those old and B, C, and D movies. If you think that Netflix put any new, decent movies on view instantly you'll be disappointed. The last time they came out with a new anime was about 3 months ago.
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said by tiger72 :The problem there is value. That Roku box only does netflix. Roku is talking to other content providers. They don't have an exclusive agreement with Netflix. |
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It would be most valuable to those who already have a regular Netflix subscription and can now get the new streaming service for that one time $100 fee. Especially if you don't already have a Xbox.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by tiger72 :I've always hoped that this (or something similar) would come out. Didn't Netflix just come out with the Roku box that does the same thing? And you wouldn't have to pay a monthly fee to MS as well as Netflix. Just pay the regular monthly Netflix subscription and you get their movie streaming for free as part of their regular DVD deliver to the home service. The only cost would be the 1 time fee of $100 for the Roku box. » blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/05/r···net.html The problem there is value. That Roku box only does netflix. If something happens to netflix, let's say they merge with another online retailer and their codecs, etc.. change, the Roku will be useless. The 360 however can just update to move with the times, or just move to another carrier.
The XBL subscription is something that provides more than just the Netflix streaming (namely my Rock Band and GTA IV multiplayer).
So, while the Roku unit has been out for streaming netflix to TVs, being a one-trick pony it provides little value to me.
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said by tiger72 :I've always hoped that this (or something similar) would come out. Didn't Netflix just come out with the Roku box that does the same thing? And you wouldn't have to pay a monthly fee to MS as well as Netflix. Just pay the regular monthly Netflix subscription and you get their movie streaming for free as part of their regular DVD deliver to the home service. The only cost would be the 1 time fee of $100 for the Roku box.
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fina-freakin-ly!
I've always hoped that this (or something similar) would come out. I'm glad to see it's a soon-to-be-reality!!!
Looks like i'll be renewing my netflix subscription AND my xbl subscription. |
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