Best Melee class for end game? in World of Warcraft

Best Melee class for end game? in World of Warcraft http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20796028 en Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:04:08 EDT Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:04:08 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20831388 hsindogg : 1) Rogue
2) Fury Warrior
3) MS Warrior
4) Enhancement Shaman
5) Ret Paladin
6) Feral Druid

Assuming equal talent, gear level, and buffs this is how I would rank them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20831388 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:39:07 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829370 Sithra : Bit of ignorance here, I've been the first to mock Ret Pallies in the past but well geared and with WF they can hold their own. I've seen 2k DPS from a ret.

Without WF they are quite poor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20829370 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:27:57 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20825005 MaybeTrouble : Yes obviously rogues (and hunters when it comes to range) are the best DPS'rs, along with the usual suspects.

And obviously Ret Pallies need some serious love from Blizzard in order to be even in the same league. But what we're saying is it is possible to put out respectable and usable DPS with a Ret Pally if you do a few basic things right.

What we found in my guild was it's important to give people a few weeks off healing and tanking, or they get burned out. And given that we used to gear up alts who were way undergeared for SSC and TK, it seemed fine to take some Ret Pallies too if they wanted a break from their normal jobs. Of course we expected them to respec back after a week or two of having fun, but they got the break from the usual stuff and that kept them happy.
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Fury warriors can hold a candle to a rogue, till they aggro and go SPLAT even with a sword and board.

Ret pallies....I won't go there. Give me my 3% chance to crit and refresh judgement of light thank you very much.

Druids, thanks for 5% chance to crit! No way a druid will be in the top 5

Shaman, are ok and can put out some serious dmg. I believe that one of Nihilums shaman is on top of the meter. HOWEVER, the shamans main job is to do two things: Drop totems (WF mainly) and 10% more AP. As far as a shaman healing a boss hit GL with that it's not going to happen.

If your guild is not giving your rogues the buffs they need you fail. A rogue main job is to do dps and occasionally interrupt when it is needed. Raid leader BUFF YOUR ROGUES. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20824355 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:39:32 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20811655 Forlin : You just need to have the right classes in the group with the Ret pally. Pretty much any DPS class will find their DPS goes through the roof if you get that right.

Shamans in particular can give any DPS class an extra 200-300 DPS with the right totems, maybe more. Scalable buffs.

Stick a shaman and drood in your group and if you're physical DPS I guarantee you'll get at least 200 extra DPS with the right gear and talents. Then add a LW hunter, and you'll get AP and attack speed buffs (drums of war and battle), as well as their 3% damage buff.

I know one guild that insisted everyone who wanted to go on 25 man raids was a LW, so they got non-stop drum buffs during boss fights. Probably one of the reasons Blizzard is going to do the 2 min drum de-buff in the next expansion. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20811655 Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:15:23 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20810624 Gvtguy :

said by elios

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no actuly
every 25 man and any 10 man with a prot pally should have one

its not all about DPS

I've found that Ret pally's underperform unless you're using them in arenas (in which they do quite well). I have one myself (that respec's prot for raids) Who wants to bring a ret pally into a 10 man? Nobody. 25 mans, ya sure why not, If you've got the gear to push some dps. But you can get buffs off other classes that actually do DPS so ret pally's are very expendible.

I wouldn't go as far to say that their essential to a successful raid is all... Nor are they anywhere near 'the best' meele class. Although when playing my rogue fighting them in arenas they can be tough (with high resilience) to deal with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20810624 Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:13:03 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20808373 Forlin :

said by elios

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no actuly

3% cirt to the whole raid
10% more threat for a prot pally
another set of buffs
can refresh all judgments of all the other pallys in the raid
so you can have the holy pally toss JoL on the boss
and respectable DPS its not on the level of a rogue but its not crap and with all the other things a ret pally brings
every 25 man and any 10 man with a prot pally should have one

its not all about DPS

We had two ret pallies (they were bored of tanking and healing) in our guild. In SSC, wearing mostly T4 level gear, they averaged around 800-1000 DPS. I think one managed 1200+ against Karathress and Tidewalker.

We figure that around 800 dps is good for most T5 bosses, so that was plenty good enough and helped make up for some of the alts we usually bring for gear runs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20808373 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:47:49 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807276 awesome :

said by Mike

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"What is the best Melee Class for end game? Any specific opinions on the subject? Have you seen more success with one class over another?"

...and I can't read?

...apparently not. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807276 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:14:23 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807095 Dodge : I don't know what is all the debate about, when the clear all around melee winner is a HUNTARD! Just grab a big enough of an axe and go swinging!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807095 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:45:49 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20806998 Mike : "What is the best Melee Class for end game? Any specific opinions on the subject? Have you seen more success with one class over another?"

...and I can't read?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20806998 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:31:53 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20806989 elios : no actuly

3% cirt to the whole raid
10% more threat for a prot pally
another set of buffs
can refresh all judgments of all the other pallys in the raid
so you can have the holy pally toss JoL on the boss
and respectable DPS its not on the level of a rogue but its not crap and with all the other things a ret pally brings
every 25 man and any 10 man with a prot pally should have one

its not all about DPS ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20806989 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:30:22 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20806686 Forlin : Undead Rogues.. because you get to be a sneaky bastard and you can eat people. Literally.

You also get little or no fall damage (except in extreme circumstances), and you can go underwater for something like 3 times as long as other races.

Of course druids can stealth and breath underwater, but to me they just don't seem as evil as rogues, and I really like evil.

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Oh and if you're an engineer, at level 50 you can make (and wear) an epic head piece that has stats that would be good enough for a lvl 70 epic. At level 62 you can make and wear a better than T4 head piece, and if you get lucky with drops, at lvl 70 you can make an almost T6 equivalent version.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20806686 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:36:35 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805454 Gvtguy :

said by Jakiel00

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Thanks for the posts guys....and don't worry, I won't ask the question "Dagger vs. Swords"......

hahahaha]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805454 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:06:03 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805400 Jakiel00 : Thanks for the posts guys....and don't worry, I won't ask the question "Dagger vs. Swords"......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805400 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:55:56 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805187 nevertheless :

said by Mike

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»www.wwsscoreboard.com/classplacings.php

Yeah, there's a best.

Oh be serious, all those stats tell you are that Rogues never do anything but DPS.

Most other classes have some further role to play in the whole shebang, especially those that can also be tanks and/or healers.
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Some people think I'm an idiot. I disagree, but idiocy is subjective--so they may well be right. With this in mind, take everything I post with a grain of salt, eh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805187 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:16:15 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805179 awesome :

said by Mike

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»www.wwsscoreboard.com/classplacings.php

Yeah, there's a best.

No, there really isn't. There's a best dps. That's not what the poster asked. OP should read quatra's post for a real answer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805179 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:14:45 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805112 Mike : »www.wwsscoreboard.com/classplacings.php

Yeah, there's a best.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20805112 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:04:38 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20804909 quatra : It depends on what you consider "best" there really is no best. I suppose best is whatever is in demand on your server/in your guild at the moment. And what do you mean by "end game"? A t6 rogue w/warglaives is going to top the dps charts. However, getting the t6 and the warglaives might be tricky because you won't be in particularly high demand. A shaman on the other hand can almost always find a spot in a guild/raid. Many times I've seen progressed guilds accept an unproven shaman in blues - that doesn't happen to rogues. However - if you're wanting to get away from caster classes that leaves you with 2 choices - warrior or rogue. If you don't already have a paladin - I would consider rolling a warrior as you'll be able to fill in for any position - tank, melee dps, or caster/healer on your other toons. End game fury warriors put out almost as much dps as rogues (I frequently top the charts on mine and we have a lot of really good rogues - in fact so many that there is almost always a rogue sitting) and they provide battle shouts which practically guarantees every melee group will have one. Battle shouts will be raid-wide in WOTLK from what I've read. MS warriors also bring extra raid buffs 4% physical dmg raid wide, imp demo shout, etc. Rogues bring their dps and that's about it. My personal opinion on rogues is if they don't top the dps chart they're wasting a raid spot. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20804909 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:26:52 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20804717 Gvtguy :

said by elios

said by BeaverHunter

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Fury Warrior

Rogues suck

Angry rogues suck

Ret Pally :p

Lol @ ret pallys.. You're just being funny though right? I get it. hah]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20804717 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:35:41 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20804316 elios :

said by BeaverHunter

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Fury Warrior

Rogues suck

Angry rogues suck

Ret Pally :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20804316 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:19:07 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20801812 Jakiel00 :

said by Sithra

said by Skirschbaum132 :

Ok now, just because rogues have cool weapons that glow and gear that makes them look tough, doesnt mean they are good for everything. Ok, lets say yuor in a raid and one of the healers died and yuor close to getting down a boss, from what i know abuot rogues (having a 70 rogue) I cannot throw down any heals in tight situations. Nor can Rogues hit a button and go from dps or tank in other situations. Warriors, tho cannot heal, can dps and tank if needed and when certian situations arrrise. A shammy can heal if needed as well as dps. In conclusion, I would say i would be better of with a feral druid (even though nobody thinks they are any good except the druid themselves) are, in my opoinion, the best for end game content because they can throw down a few heals to help out even if they are feral, they can be a dps, and can also switch to tank in an emergency.

Now that my guild is working on end game content, the rogues that we have are creeping up that DPS chart and are starting to take over the Mages and a kickazz Elemental Shammy that we have....should be interesting to see who comes out on top.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20801812 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:26:23 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20801765 Sithra :

That probably applies to 5 mans but not in end game raids. For example if a druid is in DPS gear and attempts to switch to bear he's going to get crit or crushed instantly. In fact in this case a rogue with evasion would be a better emergency tank.

Similarly, an enhancement shaman trying to heal really is a pitiful sight when bosses are hitting so hard.

Best melee class for end game IS a rogue, they have a job to do and do it exceptionally well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20801765 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:17:19 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20801060 anon : Ok now, just because rogues have cool weapons that glow and gear that makes them look tough, doesnt mean they are good for everything. Ok, lets say yuor in a raid and one of the healers died and yuor close to getting down a boss, from what i know abuot rogues (having a 70 rogue) I cannot throw down any heals in tight situations. Nor can Rogues hit a button and go from dps or tank in other situations. Warriors, tho cannot heal, can dps and tank if needed and when certian situations arrrise. A shammy can heal if needed as well as dps. In conclusion, I would say i would be better of with a feral druid (even though nobody thinks they are any good except the druid themselves) are, in my opoinion, the best for end game content because they can throw down a few heals to help out even if they are feral, they can be a dps, and can also switch to tank in an emergency.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20801060 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:14:29 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20800089 Jakiel00 : Thanks for the posts guys! I wondered if I was going to see any enhancement shaman suggestions on there. Solves that for me :) Rogue it is! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20800089 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:15:04 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20797842 Mike : The top DPS melee is rogue. It's kind of hard to argue numbers and wwsscoreboard. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20797842 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:25:22 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20797197 ErikVKing : Yeah, sadly most of the time DPS warriors fall behind the curve in DPS, but I loved levelling mine and preferred it over my Rog. Granted the Rog is only 35, but it felt like I zipped to 70 on my Warrior.

As far as Druid vs. Warriors, I'd say the Dru would be far easier to level (you can heal yourself and "dps tank" mobs solo when you have the need, etc.). Each will need a set of tanking/DPS gears unless you want to be a tank and only a tank... Even then you may as well save a set of DPS gears in that rare case a group needs a DPS more than a tank.
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Haven't played a druid, but they would be my second choice- lots of versatility (tank, healer or DPS) so long as you don't mind getting 2 or 3 sets of gear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20797045 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:56:29 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20797026 ErikVKing :

said by BeaverHunter

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Fury Warrior

Rogues suck

QFT!
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"I am Jack's utter lack of surprise."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20797026 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:53:25 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796984 BeaverHunter : Fury Warrior

Rogues suck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796984 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:43:48 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796976 Mike : Rogue for your request. End of story.

Next.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796976 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:42:31 EDT Re: Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796069 Evie : I should think rogue if you want straight melee damage. Now, if you want to have raid viability for covering multiple roles: fury warrior, enhance shammy, or feral druid would work nicely. Warrior can either dps or spec for tanking if the guild needs it. Shammy can dps (with damage totems for party buff, wooohooo!) or respec to heal if the guild needs it. Meanwhile a feral druid could quite easily do dps or tank with only a gear swap or heal with a respec if the guild needs it. The druid sounds nice because you can fill the various raid spots with 1 character and always get badges for them. :D That's my 2c anyway. It will all depend on what you want the most from your character. If it's 100% all the time melee damage only, I believe combat rogues tend to top those charts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796069 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:54:49 EDT Best Melee class for end game? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796028 Jakiel00 : Anyone have any thoughts on this? What is the best Melee Class for end game? Any specific opinions on the subject? Have you seen more success with one class over another? I want to start a melee class since I play nothing but Healer/caster classes. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20796028 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:47:44 EDT