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| reply to DKS
Re: Bell's upcoming plans for Wholesalers!
said by DKS  : And those privately owned companies are responsible, not to you or to me, but solely to their shareholders and to the regulatory authorities. Regulatory authorities? Ya Bell's proven they don't give 2 sh!ts about them. |
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Gnaraktol
join:2008-03-18
Gatineau, QC
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| reply to En Enfer
Hmmm, let's say you move, what happens then???
if it does go by circuit as they say, the customer that simply moves (keeping his/her existing service) gets put under the new rules? or like you said let's say they "accidentally" pull your line card, dealing through Teksavvy, they'll have to rely on Bell to fix the mess, which can take weeks seeing as this will be a new system... making Teksavvy and 3rd party ISPs have a reduced customer service level because they'll have to rely on Bell for these simple things to be fixed, what used to be a situation of having a line card put back, becomes a situation where the line card needs to be put back and they reconfigure their system to put you on the grandfathered billing?
Somewhere down the line, if this goes through, they will have more reasons to have DPI in place to warrant being able to track all this and associate the user to the ISP so they can honour the grandfathering (can we say more invasion of privacy?), or worse they simply say too bad so sad...... this is horrible... |
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Cyborg994
join:2005-04-18
Montreal, QC
| reply to R0CKY
Hmm, the way I see it it will give them an unfair advantage... as they still offer unlimited transfers on sympatico business accounts. I don't know if they can track which service type 3rd party dsl clients are, but if they limit Teksavvy buisness accounts as well to 60 gb, it really favors their own service.
So a workaround might be to use business accounts for everyone... since they are the same price.
- Cyb |
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Omr
join:2004-01-10
M1S-1B3
| reply to R0CKY
Doesn't this get thrown over to the CRTC before Bell moves along with it. I thought the writing was on the wall as far as regulations go, Bell changes the terms and expects all parties to take it in the derriere?
What's sickening is these Corporate types think in phased roll-outs:
Phase 1: cripple Sympatico ... check
Phase 2: cripple wholesalers ... check
Phase 3: destroy wholesalers ... work in progress.
This was the plan even when Rocky and other ISP's were being told otherwise a year and a half ago. Sad really, Bell redefines the term "scum bags". |
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TilhasBB
Formally Goden99
Premium
join:2000-08-05
canada
| »www.youtube.com/watch?v=O61Do03ZCjw
I love these threads, right now i am reading them and all I see is this videoclip in my mind. |
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TilhasBB
Formally Goden99
Premium
join:2000-08-05
canada
| reply to Omr
k I was wrong it was between that and this
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuAVgWJ28Hw |
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Woofer
join:2007-03-30
London, ON
2 edits | reply to Ikarasu
said by Ikarasu :said by jpabboud :said by Angelo_ :no matter how you spin it fee per GB = more money per month! even at the 200gb usage rate... We don't even know the details yet...  For all you know Bell will decide to stop throttling wholesalers and charge for traffic beyond 60 GB at a reasonable rate. Almost makes me laugh... haven't been around bell much, have you? :P Bell will never charge "reasonable rates". I briefly worked for one of their call centers a years ago (eew) and the trainer out right said bell does try to be the cheapest. |
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Maynard G Krebs
@teksavvy.com
| said by Woofer :Bell will never charge "reasonable rates". I briefly worked for one of their call centers a years ago (eew) and the trainer out right said bell does try to be the cheapest. So? Ferrari and BMW don't try to be the cheapest either.
But perhaps a better analogy might be in order. Consider kitchen appliances.... say stoves... many manufacturers offer many different models with different feature sets, with different designs, and different warranties, all at different price points.
Each customer picks the stove that is best suited to their needs based on price, design, features, warranties, and reputation for reliability and service. This is what a free market is about - even if all the different brands that are commonly offered are really manufactured by perhaps 6-7 different companies. At least there is some real competition.
Bell has chosen its combination of price, design, features, service, etc.... to offer at specific price points, and that's fine for Bell. What it shouldn't necessarily mean is that Bell forces Teksavvy to resell a white-label version of the same thing.
Bell is acting like a truck rental company wherein they say you can carry only items of a specific volume and density in the truck no matter what your business requirement is. You're stuck being allowed to only carry blocks of foam when your business needs the trucks to carry metal parts today and lumber tomorrow. |
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON | reply to R0CKY
Is Bell required to get CRTC approval before it can make the switch to usage based billing?
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-theninjasquad |
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CanerisErik
Caneris
Premium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
| said by theninjasqua :Is Bell required to get CRTC approval before it can make the switch to usage based billing? Let's answer that with a question: is Bell required to get CRTC approval before it can introduce DPI/throttling? |
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meherenow
@teksavvy.com | Isnt Bell in court trying to remove the power of the CRTC to regulate Bell? I'm guessing they are confident in a win. |
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drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada
·TELUS
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| reply to CanerisErik
I'm guessing that part of this problem is that "network Management" is overly vague. Charge 25¢ per megabit and it will effectively manage the traffic (reads: grinds it to a halt).
Tinfoil hat on,
I wouldn't be surprised, bell / the teachers are hoping they will be backed by American telco's if this goes through. They will have set a precedent, even though they were regulated, and American's will follow suit.
I can just hear AT&T with bell: "Ok so you win this and we'll invest 20 billion in your company, because we know profits will soar. And then we'll do the same and then, fat cat city, here we come. We'll be just like the big oil companies."
Tinfoil hat off.
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