R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Details...
Looking forward to the details at the end of the month!
Should be interesting....
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | Sue? I don't know what else there is to do. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by MysticGogeta  :Sue? I don't know what else there is to do. I never thought I'd say this but Rocky, sue them and get every penny you can. Someone has to teach them a lesson.
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
 ·buckeye cable
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July 18th, @02:19PM
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and what let Bell win at the end because their pockets are basically unlimited compared to the ISPs?
Bell could drag it on and on and just put the ISPs out of business before any court could give an answer. Legal fees for ISPs aren't free. Bell's would be pretty well free sicne they're lawyers would be on staff.
I'm doubt TeckSavvy has a team of lawyers to sit around in their office for $50,000 plus for nothing when not needed except for answering the phones for tech support? seems like a high price to me that would be a waste.
Rocky's pockets are not unlimited like Bell's he wouldn't get much but a high ass legal bill. |
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espaeth
Misanthrope
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY :Looking forward to the details at the end of the month! You're paying for port & commit on your upstream transit circuits -- what makes using the same approach on your transport links to the DSLAMs so evil? |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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League City, TX
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July 18th, @02:36PM
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Well what else is there left to do sit around and let them screw them out of any profits and crush the company? He will be faced with either raising prices or laying off workers or perhaps both.
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twizlar
I dont think so.
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join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | reply to espaeth
By the Byte billing != 95th percentile or flatrate billing. which is how 99% of the ISP's pay for bandwidth.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to MysticGogeta
said by MysticGogeta :Well what else is there left to do sit around and let them screw them out of any profits and crush the company? He will be faced with either raising prices or laying off workers or perhaps both. the unfortunate thing is it's irrelevant if TSI survives through this right now... What is very relevant is how our worlds, techie or not, are about to get very impacted financially.
People need communication, hydro, gas, etc., services just as much as they need to air and water right now, so all those who control these mechanisms are in a powerful situation. This is why I, and others, went to Parliament Hill recently as we're fighting about something much bigger than all of us in the end..... The major difference with Bell/Rogers in this case is not only are they influencing our "internet air" but they also have the capability of impacting what we think and do, being tied so closely to the media and content.
Net Neutrality principals and concerns are far reaching as Corporate Greed has a very really opportunity to turn us all into virtual lab rats..... (booooo!) 
Rocky
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| reply to MysticGogeta
build out his own network? maybe wireless?
just because wholesaling is required in Canada does not mean you can make a business off it for such as long time. Someone is going to get tired of it and put a stop to it, and Bell is doing just that.
They should end their agreement with Bell but before start building out a wireless network. get apartment/condo complexes into turning their property into a "smart" property and doing DSL over his own dslam at the locations.
They're are many things he can do instead of sitting there or fighting with Bell in court. And if he doesnt fight back by offering his own product without them well then if he goes out of business, lays people off (firing them) or raising rates then i see that it would be his fault then. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| said by hottboiinnc :They're are many things he can do instead of sitting there or fighting with Bell in court. And if he doesnt fight back by offering his own product without them well then if he goes out of business, lays people off (firing them) or raising rates then i see that it would be his fault then. Hey, if you have ~$5,000,000 USD laying around, why not give it to him so he can start on that network, eh?
Building a new network is one of the major barriers to entry in the ISP market, which is why Canada required wholesaling (peeps in the US don't get this luxury). And that's just one of them. |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| reply to R0CKY
ISPs there need to do what they do here; Build out their own networks.
Just because its legal for you to use their networks you shouldnt rely on them for your business. Start building out yours and show them up.
Why cry about it? when they go and do the usage based system what are you going to do? cry about that too?
You're a business looking to make profit. They're a business looking to make profit. And Bell owns one thing you both want. The wiring between the CO and the customers homes and businesses. Stop using the wire.
It has been showen here the ILECs will crush you no matter how they spin it. Next they'll drop their price rates and go after you that way.
and hydro and gas are not communication needs. Actually people lived before they were even around.
Also Net Neutrality was never about keeping the networks so they'd be wholesaled. They were about making content on them equal. You are crying about something that does not even fit the def. about what it was meant to be.
Start being a company and build out your own network or just get out of the way. |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
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July 18th, @02:58PM
| reply to lordofwhee
Wireless. You don't need that much to build out a wireless network.
Besides his business plan should have had this in it. If you can't compete get the hell out of the market.
yah i was raised in retail and work it. I believe in that saying. I worked for the 2nd largest home improvement company in the world and work for the largest. They all live by it. Be the biggest and the best you can at the cost of everyone else. If you can be bigger and better do it. Don't it back and watch and wine and cry about it. You're taught to get off your ass and keep your customer base.
and not be like WM and cry about shit and get laws passed to protect you. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :ISPs there need to do what they do here; Build out their own networks. Just because its legal for you to use their networks you shouldnt rely on them for your business. Start building out yours and show them up. Why cry about it? when they go and do the usage based system what are you going to do? cry about that too? You're a business looking to make profit. They're a business looking to make profit. And Bell owns one thing you both want. The wiring between the CO and the customers homes and businesses. Stop using the wire. It has been showen here the ILECs will crush you no matter how they spin it. Next they'll drop their price rates and go after you that way. and hydro and gas are not communication needs. Actually people lived before they were even around. Also Net Neutrality was never about keeping the networks so they'd be wholesaled. They were about making content on them equal. You are crying about something that does not even fit the def. about what it was meant to be. Start being a company and build out your own network or just get out of the way. Huh? The Canadian market isn't at all like the US guys.... In Bell Territory (and I say Bell Territory for a good reason), we have no choice but to use them in the ground, so even using our own equipment as you say, we'd still have to go through them to finish the job. This is why it's called a monopoly.
I never said hydro and gas were communication needs.
In any case, we have a standardized structure in Canada that allows a standard network format (one good part from the Government), but what we don't have is a standard agreement on how we all play together to make this work.
Lastly, it's not Bell's network technically as they've been given rights to a space with the condition they shared it. If they no longer wish to honour their monopoly responsibilities, then lets have it taken away and auction/sell the rights to someone who wants to take the responsibility for it.
Rocky
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Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
Arnprior On. | reply to hottboiinnc
Do You own a Wide Area Wireless Network that spans a few thousand square miles ? |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | reply to R0CKY
You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said.
but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. |
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hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| reply to Semaphore
Nope. But they should have thought about that before.
You never rely on another business as your ONLY supplier between you and the customer.
Thats just stupid and i don't blame the Bell for doing what they're.
They should go out and start building their wireless network if they want to stay alive other wise face whats going to come to them at some point- their network will be killed. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said. but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. Who's to say we're not doing something else? I'm talking about this particular service being serviced by a particular supplier.
Because I'm not allowing someone to be a bully makes me a whiner? I don't think so... To boot, if you looked me up you'd quickly realise I'm one of the few who are very much active in fighting for your rights! So, unless you can tell me you're also standing up to fight for your/our rights, instead of arguing for the sake of arguing, I'd consider keeping the attacks on the down-low.
I'm done here.
Rocky
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espaeth
Misanthrope
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Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to twizlar
said by twizlar :By the Byte billing != 95th percentile or flatrate billing. which is how 99% of the ISP's pay for bandwidth. Normally quantity-based billing works out better for the subscriber. Any hosting provider that doles out 1000 or 1500GB/mo for usage will tell you that there's always a customer or two who waits until the last day or two of the month to move 100-300GB. Technically they stay under their BW quota, but it can throw off the hosting provider's 95th percentile numbers with their upstream carriers.
Unless the pricing is really out of whack, (port + quantity usage) should bill lower than (port + 95th percentile rate) in the vast majority of cases. |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | We're talking about Bell here, not tier 1 or 2 bulk bandwidth providers, I would imagine they will charge $0.50-$1 per GB
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ptrowski
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Putnam, CT
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| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :Nope. But they should have thought about that before. You never rely on another business as your ONLY supplier between you and the customer. Thats just stupid and i don't blame the Bell for doing what they're. They should go out and start building their wireless network if they want to stay alive other wise face whats going to come to them at some point- their network will be killed. The US and Canada have different rules to play by. If it was easy to span a few thousand square miles as a WISP then everyone would do it.
Think before you post..... |
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