Bell Canada Devises Backup Plan To Kill Wholesale Competitors > Details...

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Dude, who the hell are you to tell Canadians what they do and don't know. Take your American attitude and go play with your friend Bush south of our border. It's people like you that make Americans look egotistical, arrogant and self grandizing to the rest of the world, thus causing the U.S. to be the most hated country in the world. At least I can wear my Canadian flag in many trouble countries and get treated like royalty, and not be killed. Can you say the same for the American flag? I highly doubt it, because of Americans like you that give your country a bad name.

Cheers to Rocky and his fight!!!!

reply to DKS
FALSE. the provincial governments of alberta and BC poured billions of tax dollars into their infrastructures, then sold out to telus. i would assume bell was at one time a govt/crown operation as well. there is simply no way telus would exist today if they had to start from scratch. exactly when was AGT/BC tel/ EDtel pubically traded?. they were NEVER TRADED, just funded by the citizens via taxes (like CBC is now).
ALBERTA has a huge quasi govt network - SUPERNET - paid in part by my taxes, my dads taxes, my sons taxes. you really should pull you head out of your ass before typing, it just might help

reply to LoyalCanadian
wearing the flag doesnt mean anything.

What Bell is doing should be legal. If someone else wants to compete agains them tell them to start building out some wireless network. If they can't or won't do it then tuff luck.

And actually i don't like bush. Sorry. I'm a dem.- but that doesnt have anything to do with this.

reply to adisor19
It means ONE. NOT TWO. In Bell area there are TWO!. Rogers and Bell!

Which mean there is not a monopoly. You can't have a monopoly when there are TWO companies providing the same services. Just because one is copper and DSL and the other is HFC and Cable modem doesnt mean anything.

They both offer services that are in each others coverage areas.

reply to alphaz18
I actually work for a large company. The largest Home Improvement Store in the world. The Home Depot.

And it is possible to build a WISP for an entire city. It's done all the time.

But why should i waste my time and money? i'm fully covered with Internet. I don't need wireless. I have my option between cable and DSL. And use cable. Other wise i have EVDO-RevA by Sprint, or GSM by ATT and T-Mobile or EVDO by VZW.

Here we actually require companies to build out if they want to offer services to compete if the Telco's don't want to allow them to use the copper. Canada should as well.

There are many people on this site every day building out city wide WISPs; just the people on this news story about Bell do not think its possible because they don't like Bell.

And why do you have those options? Because your government has mandated competition amongst your ISPs. Sure you still have jerks like Comcast and AT&T that want too much of the pie, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as the Bell/Rogers/Telus stranglehold.

It is also ridiculous to assume that every company under the sun will have unfettered access to the public infrastructure. If we followed your model, then there would be masses of cable laid on top of cable, networking appliances clustered in an unwieldy mess and then you would have a logistics nightmare for technicians (not to mention the guerrilla warfare between companies screwing with each others' gear).

What our government should do, is take back the last-mile infrastructure, maintain and license it. Replace it all with fibre and then everyone is on an even playing field. If they don't want to deal with maintenance they could even subcontract that out, but in the end, the public owns the lines.

Sure, a company could build a WISP as you say, but they would a) need access to the infrastructure first (not as easy as you'd think) and b) they shouldn't have to. It is unhealthy for innovation and the economy for a small number of companies to hold all the cards.

reply to R0CKY
Quote from Bell Wholesale DSL Gateway Access Service (GAS) sales pamphlet:

"80 percent of Canada’s Internet traffic is on our network."

»www.wholesale.bell.ca/pdfs/GASDSL.pdf

reply to hottboiinnc
With what, pray tell? Unless you go cable or DSL, infrastructure is HORRIBLY expensive. Fibre costs too MUCH to be practical. WiMAX Equipment is horribly expensive TOO - $$ for TONS of Base Stations, PLUS $$$ for fibre backhaul to Central Office. Plus, WiMAX is controlled by (guess what) Rogers and Bell TOO!

Let's face it - Rogers and Bell are FREAKING monopolies, that control consumer access to the internet using their monopolies' power.

Listen, American - Here in Ontario, the only MAIN ISPs are both rogers and bell. Rogers controls the Cable links, Bell controls the DSL links. This constitutes a MONOPOLY/DUOPOLY. There are also a bunch of small ISPs, using Bell's regulated, forced-to-share last mile, with their own backbone, forcibly bullied by Bell, using their monopolistic power, into using throttling, uncompetitive speeds and plans, and now forced caps. THIS CONSTITUTES A VIOLATION of CANADIAN ANTITRUST LAW ( Price Discrimination - Bell refuses to offer REGULATED 16Mbps links (previously) to DSL providers TO COMPETITORS, Abuse of Dominant Position + MARKET RESTRICTION ( Bell shoves down throttling and caps to other ISPs, EVEN UNDER REGULATED GAS, which cannot do a s*** about it because BELL owns ALL DSL LINES. BELL ALSO PREFENTIALLY PUTS SYMPATICO CUSTOMERS ON DSL REMOTES, RESTRICTING THE MARKET TO COMPETING DSL ISPS to the 5km radius around a CO. (e.g teksavvy customers do not get on to a remote unless they call to Bell). They also restrict DSL access to "unwanted consumers", by refusing them signup, even if they sign up to another DSL ISP (see Teksavvy forum) )

American, please know what you're talking about before you post. Its easy, sitting in Toledo, with uncapped cable service, to criticize us Canucks (hint) with c$ap for internet. Its also easy to criticize us when we try to fix it. Its also easy to criticize us when you know nothing about the ISSUE.

Please learn, by moving to CANADA (hint,hint), before talking about how our Internet providers, AMERICAN.

THANK YOU.

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