hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
1 edit | reply to Siftbit
Re: Details...
yes it is possible for TekSavvy to build their own WISP out. They just don't want to like it or not they just want to leach off Bell because Gov't says they can.
And they don't seem to be as small as you make them out to be. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to adisor19
They're not a monopoly because they have competition. Rogers and Bell both compete against each other. Both offer TV, Internet, and Phone.
Want anything better?
Also have you heard of a such thing as a Loan? Go check out the WISP board on here. Many people are building out without the figure that was stated of what? $5,000,000!
besides if you're a real business you would have a back up plan figured in your business plan. But sounds like who ever gave Rocky his loan (if he got one) didnt bother to factor that in.
If you don't like the what I have to say to damn bad. I support big business. If the little guy can't compete get the hell out of the way cause the Big Corp. is gonna steam roll them out of the way. |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to Capharnaum
no they shouldnt be regulated again. It's not bell's fault that nobody else can offer a product. They're given the chance. They just can't. The Gov't shouldnt step in and say "oh okay we'll give you this Joe because someone on DSLReports says Bell needs competition".
FREE Enterprise. |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to ptrowski
I did not say buy any spectrum. But Rocky can start to build out his network instead of watching on the Gov't to decide what they're going to do.
instead he's on here saying what he wants done with Bell along with everyone else.
He should be building out a new network to stay afloat especially if Bell charges him on bandwidth next. |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to adisor19
Like i said before take your ass over the WISP board and learn something for once instead of sitting on your ass fighting with me. Moto Canopy has interference built in.
But you would know this if you read what i said before. |
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pfak
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Canada
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 ·Novus Entertainmen..
| reply to hottboiinnc
You do realize that Bell Canada's network was paid for by the gov't, right?
Why is it acceptable for Bell to have a free ride, but not allow others on the governments network even though they're paying for the service?
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jubangy
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join:2005-03-26
Erie, PA
 ·DSL EXTREME
| reply to hottboiinnc
1. From what the people are saying that actually live in canada Bell basically got handouts to build the network.
2. The Government apparently stepped in to help bell.
3. Your stance is kind of screwed, if big business keeps winning and there are no more little guys, guess what? Everyones prices are pretty much going to be whatever they want them to be, so maybe when the price squeeze gets put on you then maybe you will understand more of what you spew.
4. How is someone who does not even live in canada gonna preach how things should or should not be there? |
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jubangy
Premium
join:2005-03-26
Erie, PA
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to Bellux_x
Doubtful that a bell anything would come up with a reasonable base fee or a usage charge. Probaly would still charge between $30 and $40 which people are paying now and then add to it the usage. Either way anyone looks at it the bells are going to get their double dipping wish someday. |
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myosh
join:2001-05-03
Cupertino, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to hottboiinnc
Big business is what is wrong with America. They don't give a crap about the consumer only about how to make as much money as possible no matter what the cost (destroying the environment, illegally eliminating competition, buying politicians, etc). Now looking at what Bell Canada is up to, it looks like this mentality has spread to our northern neighbors. I guarantee you if AT&T were to pull something like this, there'd be an uproar here too. Unfortunately, Congress has already been bought by AT&T.
Oh and a word of advice, I wouldn't go around saying you support big business here or you will be labeled a corporate shill. |
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myosh
join:2001-05-03
Cupertino, CA | reply to jubangy
Agreed 100%! |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc  :You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said. but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. Just in case you can't read , Bell is one of the only sources for dumping data onto the internet in Canada. And in the US we have multiple providers for that.
If one had the intelligence to go and read through the canadian telecom rules , they don't own anything , they are getting it provided to them by the government. And the contact can come up for renewal. They can lose their rights to it. They didn't pay for the build out , Rocky as a canadian buddy , keep up the good fight man.
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Latency
@netspectrum.ca
| reply to R0CKY
Give them Hell Rocky...
This is some info to add for the misinformed...
When Rogers wanted to get into the phone business back in the 1990's the CRTC said (simplified version for the sake of brevity) "let's see what Bell says"... Bell said "sure, but we want into the TV business".. They basically agreed at the behest of the CRTC..
Sounds fine, eh? Too bad Rogers had a number of years head start (handicap) to get their fledgling phone service off the ground before Bell was even allowed to enter the TV space.
This is Fredrick von Shitenstein and the other ivory tower no-minds at the CRTC creating dual-monopolies and protecting them from each other at the same time. The goal of the CRTC/govn't at the time was not to financially impact or cause massive sell-offs in the stock market of either Bell or Rogers' shares.
Rocky: You must face one fact; The CRTC is a country club filled with ex-monopoly (Bell/Rogers) employees.
If you are the biggest Bell/Rogers corporate shill in history you get rewarded with a position at the CRTC. Because the CRTC (using circular logic) must fill its' ranks with experts and those all must work for Bell/Rogers in the eyes of the government.
Complicating this matter is Bell's (BCE) attempt to keep their profit projections strong enough to land the investment from the Teachers Pension Fund. Bell needs this investment or they could be in very serious trouble financially, yes I said they are in trouble. So the CRTC which is run by our fine Tory government are not about to let this happen, not in our lifetime.
And yes these are the same fine folks who allowed the sale of our forestry industry (too many to mention, but now just Weyerhaeuser), our steel industry (Stelco and Dofasco), our mining industry (Inco/Falconbridge), and of late apparently our highly govn't funded space industry.
Anything to make sure the monopolies stay strong and most important stay monopolies. The government doesn't care who makes our toilet paper, our car parts, our metals, or our space ships just as long as no-one else (other than our Tory government) tells us what to think. Telling Canadians what to think is the sole monopoly of the Canadian federal government.
They are (CRTC) far more concerned about foreign investment, I mean keeping foreign investment from swallowing us whole than they are about effecting the livelihood of a couple smaller companies. We do need to worry about the likes of SBC, Verizon, AT&T, etc.. in addition to our own domestic monopolies. All of the American telco's are freakin huge and their draconian business style does not bode well for our quasi-socialist ways here in Canada.
IMO Unless something was about to change for BCE (foreign investment) the Teachers Pension Plan wouldn't be seriously interested in a company that is so dependent on government hand-outs. These investors types do not like government involvement, it slows them down and gets in the way of them making money. Ergo, get ready for the announcement of a major portion of Bell being sold off to some big foreign entity. As likely from Europe or Asia as from the USA...
Oh that's right, the Teachers Pension Plan IS the vehicle for foreign investment in Bell while carefully side-stepping our current laws.
Aside from your micro-economical views ie. the plight and future of your business and its' employees.
Cogeco did it and so can you! They put in their own fiber and other required infrastructure, and wired customers right to the home. Even if they ran crap old PDP-11's in the beginning. Do the same as them buy up all of the old(er) telco gear you can find, start wiring and give them hell.
Cogeco Cable should be looked upon as the model for succeeding in the face of stiff opposition in Canada.
Shouldn't you guys be pissed off that Toronto Hydros' IP network is being sold to Cogeco? This is even more of the tax-payer's dollars hard at work. Muni-telecom was supposed to be the answer to thwart the Bell/Rogers monopoly. Now it seems "muni-telecom" was a clever way for other players (all cable co's) to get a finished working system without paying for all of the mistakes made during the projects' life cycle.
MONTREAL - Toronto Hydro Telecom Inc. is an under-utilized gem that will provide great growth opportunities for its new owner, Cogeco Cable Inc. (TSX:CCA) president Louis Audet said Thursday.
The Montreal-based cable company is buying the Toronto Hydro Corp. subsidiary for $200 million in a deal that will give Cogeco Cable an important foothold in the lucrative Toronto market.
Rocky I would suggest you partner with your local muni-fiber guys as they can and do/have run new infrastructure all over the place. Hydro has right of ways also, and they can be utilized for telecommunications infrastructure in addition to power as they have been doing for years.
Perhaps, you can partner with Cogeco the third head of the Hydra...
Rocky in all seriousness I applaud your determination and efforts on behalf of all of us. Regardless of what a bunch of mis-informed piss ants say..
I say hat's off to Rocky for having a spine. He must be a Canadian, eh?
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Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | reply to st7860
But you just recently lost your binary newsgroups so everything that happened in Ontario will happen to you only 3 years later. |
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tiger9
join:2005-08-01
Ont,Canada
2 edits | reply to hottboiinnc
Technically, while Bell does NOT have an internet monopoly, IT DOES HAVE A FREAKING PHONE LINE MONOPOLY/DSL LINE MONOPOLY. EVERY FREAKING ISP THAT RUNS OVER DSL MUST USE BELL! |
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Bellundo
@teksavvy.com
| reply to hottboiinnc
Bell and rogers used to compete against each other. Now you can add telus to that list. The three companies got smart and all got together and worked things out. Now all three collude for the purpose of extracting the most money from the Canadian public for the least amount of service. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to tiger9
well here is an idea- DON"T OFFER DSL OR CABLE! You won't have to use them. Also what about Sprint Canada, Teleglobe, Cogent.
They all offer backbone access. You can easily toss their backbone services behind a network and start with a WISP and start to build out.
The more you build out slowly the better off the ISP is to get away from the provider who has the network others want. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to jubangy
the same way they do about the US. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to Capharnaum
said by Capharnaum :If they bill by the byte though, then they shouldn't charge up front as well. They're still going to need to have some fee, but it should be lower then their current base fee. This fee covers the cost of providing the head-end port, including the engineering staff, circuit maintenance, and opportunity cost of the line (ie, if you occupy a router port it can't be sold to someone else). |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :They're not a monopoly because they have competition. Rogers and Bell both compete against each other. Both offer TV, Internet, and Phone. Look up the word "monopoly" on Wikipedia or your favorite dictionary.
Bell and Rogers are freaking MONOPOLYS.
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :well here is an idea- DON"T OFFER DSL OR CABLE! You won't have to use them. Also what about Sprint Canada, Teleglobe, Cogent. They all offer backbone access. You can easily toss their backbone services behind a network and start with a WISP and start to build out. The more you build out slowly the better off the ISP is to get away from the provider who has the network others want. Again, what the hell are you smoking ?! YES YOU DO HAVE TO USE THEM AND THEIR LINES. No compamy out there built their copper infrastructure with their own $$$. The government gave it to them as they were a monopoly and as such, they have to play by some rules like : share the copper lines with other companies.
Seriously, is someone paying to spew such corporate crap on these boards ?!!
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