hottboiinnc
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| reply to MysticGogeta
Re: Details...
build out his own network? maybe wireless?
just because wholesaling is required in Canada does not mean you can make a business off it for such as long time. Someone is going to get tired of it and put a stop to it, and Bell is doing just that.
They should end their agreement with Bell but before start building out a wireless network. get apartment/condo complexes into turning their property into a "smart" property and doing DSL over his own dslam at the locations.
They're are many things he can do instead of sitting there or fighting with Bell in court. And if he doesnt fight back by offering his own product without them well then if he goes out of business, lays people off (firing them) or raising rates then i see that it would be his fault then. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| said by hottboiinnc  :They're are many things he can do instead of sitting there or fighting with Bell in court. And if he doesnt fight back by offering his own product without them well then if he goes out of business, lays people off (firing them) or raising rates then i see that it would be his fault then. Hey, if you have ~$5,000,000 USD laying around, why not give it to him so he can start on that network, eh?
Building a new network is one of the major barriers to entry in the ISP market, which is why Canada required wholesaling (peeps in the US don't get this luxury). And that's just one of them. |
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hottboiinnc
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1 edit | Wireless. You don't need that much to build out a wireless network.
Besides his business plan should have had this in it. If you can't compete get the hell out of the market.
yah i was raised in retail and work it. I believe in that saying. I worked for the 2nd largest home improvement company in the world and work for the largest. They all live by it. Be the biggest and the best you can at the cost of everyone else. If you can be bigger and better do it. Don't it back and watch and wine and cry about it. You're taught to get off your ass and keep your customer base.
and not be like WM and cry about shit and get laws passed to protect you. |
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Semaphore
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Arnprior On. | Do You own a Wide Area Wireless Network that spans a few thousand square miles ? |
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hottboiinnc
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| Nope. But they should have thought about that before.
You never rely on another business as your ONLY supplier between you and the customer.
Thats just stupid and i don't blame the Bell for doing what they're.
They should go out and start building their wireless network if they want to stay alive other wise face whats going to come to them at some point- their network will be killed. |
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ptrowski
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| said by hottboiinnc :Nope. But they should have thought about that before. You never rely on another business as your ONLY supplier between you and the customer. Thats just stupid and i don't blame the Bell for doing what they're. They should go out and start building their wireless network if they want to stay alive other wise face whats going to come to them at some point- their network will be killed. The US and Canada have different rules to play by. If it was easy to span a few thousand square miles as a WISP then everyone would do it.
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| said by ptrowski : If it was easy to span a few thousand square miles as a WISP then everyone would do it. 90% of the Canadian populace lives within the major metro areas just north of the US border. You don't need WISPs that span thousands of square miles. As a business not required to sell to the entire populace(unlike Bell) you can make a very good profitable business plan selling only to those metro areas.
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ptrowski
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by ptrowski : If it was easy to span a few thousand square miles as a WISP then everyone would do it. 90% of the Canadian populace lives within the major metro areas just north of the US border. You don't need WISPs that span thousands of square miles. As a business not required to sell to the entire populace(unlike Bell) you can make a very good profitable business plan selling only to those metro areas. Very true, but he was talking about doing that to get around Bell's schemes. I would assume that if it was again as easy as Mr. OH stated there it would be done already. |
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XoX
join:2003-08-19
Sherbrooke, QC
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| reply to hottboiinnc
I think you don't get it... The network Bell has right was built because they where a monopoly. When the whole phone thing started in Canada after a few years we had thousand of company a few year and few deal later between Bell and the government in charge they became a monopoly. For almost 100 years they where almost the only one to exist in most of Quebec and Ontario. So for all those year the pocketed our money built a good part of the network they use now and also got lots of money to expand and upgrade.
Now that thing are started to change and allow again more player in the field they again don't want to play nice and they are again trying to kill the competition like in the past. The only trouble is they should not be allow because the network they have, without the money the got from being a monopoly for all those years the would not have it.
Also even if Teksavvy wanted to lay all new cable it won't go has easy like Bell had it and would cost them a lot more from their pocket (not our pocket like it was with Bell). That's if they can lay new cable because it's everyone that can do it. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
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| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :Wireless. You don't need that much to build out a wireless network. Besides his business plan should have had this in it. If you can't compete get the hell out of the market. yah i was raised in retail and work it. I believe in that saying. I worked for the 2nd largest home improvement company in the world and work for the largest. They all live by it. Be the biggest and the best you can at the cost of everyone else. If you can be bigger and better do it. Don't it back and watch and wine and cry about it. You're taught to get off your ass and keep your customer base. and not be like WM and cry about shit and get laws passed to protect you. Are you out of your mind ?! Who's gonna pay for the spectrum ? Do you even know how much BANDWIDTH is needed to run any kind of decent ISP Wireless operation ?! Take a look at Look.ca/Project Inukshuk. Look almost went UNDER cause of the amount of debt they owed after purchasing the spectrum. And BCE forced them to sell a major part of it to themselves and to Robbers.
Wireless spectrum is nonexistent this day an age. The current auction for 2.1Ghz/1.7Ghz spectrum in Canada is at 4.2 BILLION dollars ! Noone in their freakin mind will buy that to start an ISP cause you can't make money like that. Starting a GSM network on the other hand = profit.
Anyways, Bell is a MONOPOLY and as such, they have to abide by certain rules. Right now they are NOT and i hope the CRTC will do the right thing and stop them, and FINE them as well.
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Capharnaum
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Montreal, QC | reply to hottboiinnc
If all the competition quits, then Bell should be regulated again. Isn't that a nice prospect?
It seems a bit strange that a guy like you would advocate for regulation instead of competition. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to XoX
Again I did not say anything about laying cable. |
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hottboiinnc
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1 edit | reply to adisor19
have you heard of Moto Canopy? Who says anything abou buying spectrum. I know i didnt.
But yah let the CTRC fine Bell and watch them raise rates and you and the rest of their customers can pay for it. |
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adisor19
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| said by hottboiinnc :have you heard of Moto Canopy? Who says anything abou buying spectrum. I know i didnt. But yah let the CTRC fine Bell and watch them raise rates and you and the rest of their customers can pay for it. Are you out of your mind ?! What BACKBONE are you going to use for your miraculous HYPERBANDWITH network ? Oh wait, Bell has a monopoly on that too so you're still f*****. Way to go. The Wifi frequencies in urban environments are absolutely CHOCK FULL to begin with.
WISPs are only viable in RURAL market where 1) there is no competition and most importantly 2) The WIFI frequencies are EMPTY to begin with.
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hottboiinnc
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| reply to Capharnaum
no they shouldnt be regulated again. It's not bell's fault that nobody else can offer a product. They're given the chance. They just can't. The Gov't shouldnt step in and say "oh okay we'll give you this Joe because someone on DSLReports says Bell needs competition".
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hottboiinnc
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| reply to ptrowski
I did not say buy any spectrum. But Rocky can start to build out his network instead of watching on the Gov't to decide what they're going to do.
instead he's on here saying what he wants done with Bell along with everyone else.
He should be building out a new network to stay afloat especially if Bell charges him on bandwidth next. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to adisor19
Like i said before take your ass over the WISP board and learn something for once instead of sitting on your ass fighting with me. Moto Canopy has interference built in.
But you would know this if you read what i said before. |
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jubangy
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Erie, PA
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| reply to hottboiinnc
1. From what the people are saying that actually live in canada Bell basically got handouts to build the network.
2. The Government apparently stepped in to help bell.
3. Your stance is kind of screwed, if big business keeps winning and there are no more little guys, guess what? Everyones prices are pretty much going to be whatever they want them to be, so maybe when the price squeeze gets put on you then maybe you will understand more of what you spew.
4. How is someone who does not even live in canada gonna preach how things should or should not be there? |
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myosh
join:2001-05-03
Cupertino, CA | Agreed 100%! |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to jubangy
the same way they do about the US. |
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