R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| reply to hottboiinnc
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said by hottboiinnc  :ISPs there need to do what they do here; Build out their own networks. Just because its legal for you to use their networks you shouldnt rely on them for your business. Start building out yours and show them up. Why cry about it? when they go and do the usage based system what are you going to do? cry about that too? You're a business looking to make profit. They're a business looking to make profit. And Bell owns one thing you both want. The wiring between the CO and the customers homes and businesses. Stop using the wire. It has been showen here the ILECs will crush you no matter how they spin it. Next they'll drop their price rates and go after you that way. and hydro and gas are not communication needs. Actually people lived before they were even around. Also Net Neutrality was never about keeping the networks so they'd be wholesaled. They were about making content on them equal. You are crying about something that does not even fit the def. about what it was meant to be. Start being a company and build out your own network or just get out of the way. Huh? The Canadian market isn't at all like the US guys.... In Bell Territory (and I say Bell Territory for a good reason), we have no choice but to use them in the ground, so even using our own equipment as you say, we'd still have to go through them to finish the job. This is why it's called a monopoly.
I never said hydro and gas were communication needs.
In any case, we have a standardized structure in Canada that allows a standard network format (one good part from the Government), but what we don't have is a standard agreement on how we all play together to make this work.
Lastly, it's not Bell's network technically as they've been given rights to a space with the condition they shared it. If they no longer wish to honour their monopoly responsibilities, then lets have it taken away and auction/sell the rights to someone who wants to take the responsibility for it.
Rocky
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said.
but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| said by hottboiinnc :You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said. but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. Who's to say we're not doing something else? I'm talking about this particular service being serviced by a particular supplier.
Because I'm not allowing someone to be a bully makes me a whiner? I don't think so... To boot, if you looked me up you'd quickly realise I'm one of the few who are very much active in fighting for your rights! So, unless you can tell me you're also standing up to fight for your/our rights, instead of arguing for the sake of arguing, I'd consider keeping the attacks on the down-low.
I'm done here.
Rocky
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
 ·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
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·Look Communications
| said by R0CKY :said by hottboiinnc :You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said. but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. Who's to say we're not doing something else? I'm talking about this particular service being serviced by a particular supplier. Because I'm not allowing someone to be a bully makes me a whiner? I don't think so... To boot, if you looked me up you'd quickly realise I'm one of the few who are very much active in fighting for your rights! So, unless you can tell me you're also standing up to fight for your/our rights, instead of arguing for the sake of arguing, I'd consider keeping the attacks on the down-low. I'm done here. Rocky Don't bother feeding the troll Rocky. This guy obviously has no idea of what he's talking about and as you realised, he's only trying to insult you.
I for one can't wait to see what the CRTC's response to this BS move by Bell will be.
Keep up the good fight and let's hope this country won't become ruled by corporations like in the USA.
Adi |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to R0CKY
My rights? HA! We don't have this problem in the USA. We actually have the dereg which doesnt require the ILECs to share. So its either sink or swim.
It seems that you don't make a very good businessman though. Rule #2 - if a supplier screws you;-you don't keep going back to them. You find a way to keep your business going without them-hence finding another way to deliver your product -ie: Wireless Internet become a WISP instead of a DSL provider.
You're business would be screwed here in the US if you depended on the Bells. Also i don't see how you consider them a monopoly. They're not keeping you from having your business. ISPs lobbied your government to allow you in. You should be glad they did. Also you should be working on having your own network and start saying you are instead of "fighting". But in the long run Bell will win one way or another.
And also I'm not attacking you - i'm simply stating the facts. If you can't compete as a business man against a large company I suggest you get out while the goings getting good and sell your company to someone else that can handle it. And then go talk to The Home Depot up there and learn how to stand up to your vendors/suppliers- its not about getting someone else involved to get what you want done its about putting them in their place without laws that are not needed. |
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Siftbit
@teksavvy.com
| That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read all week.
Supposing that it's feasible these small ISP to set up their own WISP infrastructure (it's not), you wouldn't even be providing the same product since WISP is aimed at different market with different needs, uses, and expectations. If Bell owned roads and made all the taxi companies to pay exorbitant amount of money, you wouldn't tell these taxi companies to start an airline. Both modes of transportation, sure, but aimed at very different markets.
Please think a bit more before writing. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
1 edit | yes it is possible for TekSavvy to build their own WISP out. They just don't want to like it or not they just want to leach off Bell because Gov't says they can.
And they don't seem to be as small as you make them out to be. |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada
·Shaw
 ·Novus Entertainmen..
| You do realize that Bell Canada's network was paid for by the gov't, right?
Why is it acceptable for Bell to have a free ride, but not allow others on the governments network even though they're paying for the service?
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :You don't need anything plugged on the ground if you do wireless like i said. but then again why should you since you can go to the CRTC and cry that you need to lease their network because you can't build out wireless. Just in case you can't read , Bell is one of the only sources for dumping data onto the internet in Canada. And in the US we have multiple providers for that.
If one had the intelligence to go and read through the canadian telecom rules , they don't own anything , they are getting it provided to them by the government. And the contact can come up for renewal. They can lose their rights to it. They didn't pay for the build out , Rocky as a canadian buddy , keep up the good fight man.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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| reply to pfak
said by pfak :You do realize that Bell Canada's network was paid for by the gov't, right? Why is it acceptable for Bell to have a free ride, but not allow others on the governments network even though they're paying for the service? That is nonsense. None of Canada's (or Rogers, for that matter) networks have been publicly funded. Both are publicly traded corporations.
And the only "government" network is DNET, which is run by the Canadian Forces. And you ain't going anywhere near that, ever.
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canucklehead
@shawcable.net
| FALSE. the provincial governments of alberta and BC poured billions of tax dollars into their infrastructures, then sold out to telus. i would assume bell was at one time a govt/crown operation as well. there is simply no way telus would exist today if they had to start from scratch. exactly when was AGT/BC tel/ EDtel pubically traded?. they were NEVER TRADED, just funded by the citizens via taxes (like CBC is now).
ALBERTA has a huge quasi govt network - SUPERNET - paid in part by my taxes, my dads taxes, my sons taxes. you really should pull you head out of your ass before typing, it just might help |
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lurker
@bell.ca
| reply to R0CKY
Quote from Bell Wholesale DSL Gateway Access Service (GAS) sales pamphlet:
"80 percent of Canada’s Internet traffic is on our network."
»www.wholesale.bell.ca/pdfs/GASDSL.pdf |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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Owen Sound, ON
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| reply to canucklehead
said by canucklehead :
FALSE. the provincial governments of alberta and BC poured billions of tax dollars into their infrastructures, then sold out to telus. i would assume bell was at one time a govt/crown operation as well. there is simply no way telus would exist today if they had to start from scratch. exactly when was AGT/BC tel/ EDtel pubically traded?. they were NEVER TRADED, just funded by the citizens via taxes (like CBC is now).
ALBERTA has a huge quasi govt network - SUPERNET - paid in part by my taxes, my dads taxes, my sons taxes. you really should pull you head out of your ass before typing, it just might help
No, you don't know the facts. This story is about BELL CANADA. It has not ever built infrastructure using government money. Telus is not part of this story. 
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