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| | Re: Details... Bell was given a monopoly in Canada, and then they wanted to get out of that regulation and start charging what they wanted. The problem is that they wouldn't have competition and the legislated era had them build their network with insured profits while passing off all costs to the customers, who had no choice but to go with them (since they're a monopoly).
So the only way they could get out of the regulation was to allow access at a fair price to other companies so that there was competition for the different services. The part where they have to provide a certain level of service to competitors is regulated to ensure competition.
Now Bell is trying to thwart competition using these avenues since they can't compete with them as they are an unneffective, innefficient company that customers are fleeing from. Basically, they're trying to force customers to be with them with underhanded moves because they can't keep their customers through satisfaction. | |
|  | | Re: Details... Bell is not a monopoly. They have Rogers to compete against and other companies.
Again- if the ISPs can't compete and build something else out get out of the way and let Bell do what they do- service the customer. | |
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| Re: Details... said by hottboiinnc:Bell is not a monopoly. They have Rogers to compete against and other companies. Again- if the ISPs can't compete and build something else out get out of the way and let Bell do what they do- service the customer. Ok enough with the BS. I don't care of i get banned for this but someone has to say it : YOU'RE AN IDIOT !!!
Bell IS a monopoly ! There own each and every freakin copper line to and from their CO. Oh, yeah, it's THEIR CO as well. How the hell is that NOT a monopoly ??!
Rogers is a monopoly as well ! They own in every single cable drop to your house if you live in thier area. There is no choice if you want another cable provider. There's only ROGERS. How is that not a monopoly ?!
Also, DO YOU KNOW WHO PAID THESE MONOPOLIES FOR THEIR NETOWRK ? It's the government and the freakin consumers !! That's the reason why they HAVE to share their networks, cause they were built with our hard earned $$$ and because it's IMPOSSIBLE for a newcomer to build such a network due to financial reasons.
Jesus Christ, relax already with the "go become a WISP" or "build your own network". Ya ok, get me the money that the goverment gave Bell and i'll build my network too !
Adi
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| Re: Details... They're not a monopoly because they have competition. Rogers and Bell both compete against each other. Both offer TV, Internet, and Phone.
Want anything better?
Also have you heard of a such thing as a Loan? Go check out the WISP board on here. Many people are building out without the figure that was stated of what? $5,000,000!
besides if you're a real business you would have a back up plan figured in your business plan. But sounds like who ever gave Rocky his loan (if he got one) didnt bother to factor that in.
If you don't like the what I have to say to damn bad. I support big business. If the little guy can't compete get the hell out of the way cause the Big Corp. is gonna steam roll them out of the way. | |
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| Re: Details... Big business is what is wrong with America. They don't give a crap about the consumer only about how to make as much money as possible no matter what the cost (destroying the environment, illegally eliminating competition, buying politicians, etc). Now looking at what Bell Canada is up to, it looks like this mentality has spread to our northern neighbors. I guarantee you if AT&T were to pull something like this, there'd be an uproar here too. Unfortunately, Congress has already been bought by AT&T.
Oh and a word of advice, I wouldn't go around saying you support big business here or you will be labeled a corporate shill. | |
| | | | | | Bell and rogers used to compete against each other. Now you can add telus to that list. The three companies got smart and all got together and worked things out. Now all three collude for the purpose of extracting the most money from the Canadian public for the least amount of service. | |
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| said by hottboiinnc:They're not a monopoly because they have competition. Rogers and Bell both compete against each other. Both offer TV, Internet, and Phone. Look up the word "monopoly" on Wikipedia or your favorite dictionary.
Bell and Rogers are freaking MONOPOLYS.
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| Re: Details... It means ONE. NOT TWO. In Bell area there are TWO!. Rogers and Bell!
Which mean there is not a monopoly. You can't have a monopoly when there are TWO companies providing the same services. Just because one is copper and DSL and the other is HFC and Cable modem doesnt mean anything.
They both offer services that are in each others coverage areas. | |
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| tiger9
join:2005-08-01
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2 edits | Technically, while Bell does NOT have an internet monopoly, IT DOES HAVE A FREAKING PHONE LINE MONOPOLY/DSL LINE MONOPOLY. EVERY FREAKING ISP THAT RUNS OVER DSL MUST USE BELL! | |
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| Re: Details... well here is an idea- DON"T OFFER DSL OR CABLE! You won't have to use them. Also what about Sprint Canada, Teleglobe, Cogent.
They all offer backbone access. You can easily toss their backbone services behind a network and start with a WISP and start to build out.
The more you build out slowly the better off the ISP is to get away from the provider who has the network others want. | |
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| Re: Details... said by hottboiinnc:well here is an idea- DON"T OFFER DSL OR CABLE! You won't have to use them. Also what about Sprint Canada, Teleglobe, Cogent. They all offer backbone access. You can easily toss their backbone services behind a network and start with a WISP and start to build out. The more you build out slowly the better off the ISP is to get away from the provider who has the network others want. Again, what the hell are you smoking ?! YES YOU DO HAVE TO USE THEM AND THEIR LINES. No compamy out there built their copper infrastructure with their own $$$. The government gave it to them as they were a monopoly and as such, they have to play by some rules like : share the copper lines with other companies.
Seriously, is someone paying to spew such corporate crap on these boards ?!!
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| Dude, who the hell are you to tell Canadians what they do and don't know. Take your American attitude and go play with your friend Bush south of our border. It's people like you that make Americans look egotistical, arrogant and self grandizing to the rest of the world, thus causing the U.S. to be the most hated country in the world. At least I can wear my Canadian flag in many trouble countries and get treated like royalty, and not be killed. Can you say the same for the American flag? I highly doubt it, because of Americans like you that give your country a bad name.
Cheers to Rocky and his fight!!!! | |
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| Re: Details... wearing the flag doesnt mean anything.
What Bell is doing should be legal. If someone else wants to compete agains them tell them to start building out some wireless network. If they can't or won't do it then tuff luck.
And actually i don't like bush. Sorry. I'm a dem.- but that doesnt have anything to do with this. | |
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join:2005-08-01
Ont,Canada | With what, pray tell? Unless you go cable or DSL, infrastructure is HORRIBLY expensive. Fibre costs too MUCH to be practical. WiMAX Equipment is horribly expensive TOO - $$ for TONS of Base Stations, PLUS $$$ for fibre backhaul to Central Office. Plus, WiMAX is controlled by (guess what) Rogers and Bell TOO!
Let's face it - Rogers and Bell are FREAKING monopolies, that control consumer access to the internet using their monopolies' power.
Listen, American - Here in Ontario, the only MAIN ISPs are both rogers and bell. Rogers controls the Cable links, Bell controls the DSL links. This constitutes a MONOPOLY/DUOPOLY. There are also a bunch of small ISPs, using Bell's regulated, forced-to-share last mile, with their own backbone, forcibly bullied by Bell, using their monopolistic power, into using throttling, uncompetitive speeds and plans, and now forced caps. THIS CONSTITUTES A VIOLATION of CANADIAN ANTITRUST LAW ( Price Discrimination - Bell refuses to offer REGULATED 16Mbps links (previously) to DSL providers TO COMPETITORS, Abuse of Dominant Position + MARKET RESTRICTION ( Bell shoves down throttling and caps to other ISPs, EVEN UNDER REGULATED GAS, which cannot do a s*** about it because BELL owns ALL DSL LINES. BELL ALSO PREFENTIALLY PUTS SYMPATICO CUSTOMERS ON DSL REMOTES, RESTRICTING THE MARKET TO COMPETING DSL ISPS to the 5km radius around a CO. (e.g teksavvy customers do not get on to a remote unless they call to Bell). They also restrict DSL access to "unwanted consumers", by refusing them signup, even if they sign up to another DSL ISP (see Teksavvy forum) )
American, please know what you're talking about before you post. Its easy, sitting in Toledo, with uncapped cable service, to criticize us Canucks (hint) with c$ap for internet. Its also easy to criticize us when we try to fix it. Its also easy to criticize us when you know nothing about the ISSUE.
Please learn, by moving to CANADA (hint,hint), before talking about how our Internet providers, AMERICAN.
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