wenter99
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Re: Used Car Selling Integraty
Yeah, he finds something to whine about and tries to create FUD..., to buy time for himself to make a decision, OR, come up with the money.
It's not immoral nor illegal in preliminary stages of a transaction. It used to be called "horse trading"! Both of you guys expressed your interest in doing a transaction with each other, but neither made any commitment beyond just interest
Hell. You're a salesman. You know how it works... and it works for ya sometimes and it can work against ya too!
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mityfowl
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1 edit | reply to wenter99
That's the way I looked at it too.
I'm a salesman for some big ticket things but I think I got flustered when buyer 1 said my title wasn't in order. |
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wenter99
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Actually, this wasn't even a binding offer to by or sell by you or the first "looker". That's all he was when he left your presence the first time... just a "looker"!
This shit is silly, from either a moral or legal perspective, as far common sense is concerned!
Gore, Bush, Obama or Osama..
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GDamn, there ain't nothing weird about it. He could have given ya a deposit and the both of you agreed upon terms of completing the sale, OR you guys did just what you did. He had no commitment to come back and buy the car from you and you had no commitment to sell it to him.
Seems pretty simple to me...
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mityfowl
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Dallas, TX | reply to robbin
Make no mistake I don't like Al Bore.
Neither of us talked, asked or I think, thought of a deposit. That's what makes this a weird and interesting story. |
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robbin
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said by mityfowl  :I don't know that there even is a title place in far N. Dallas! It's sorta ritzy here. I don't feel guilty about making $200 more and I certainly won't give it to Al Gore type things. Not that your advocating. Now you are starting to show your colors -- why are you bringing up Al Gore up into the conversation? 
The ex wife thing is really separate from this -- the buyer didn't think that your title was sellable and from what you have posted I still can't tell what you told him -- yes -- he should have given you a deposit -- you still haven't stated if you asked for one or what you said AT THAT TIME -- that determines the intrigity -- what you said and what he said.
If you are a used car salesman there is no intregity, but you don't appear to be one! Good for you!  |
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mityfowl
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1 edit | reply to robbin
I don't know that there even is a title place in far N. Dallas! It's sorta ritzy here.
I don't feel guilty about making $200 more and I certainly won't give it to Al Gore type things. Not that your advocating.
I have a daughter in college and she will burn though this like butter and a hot knife
Hell, I have an ex-wife that looks at anything I have and says "mine". And I don't hardly talk to her!. Give me. |
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seaquake
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First buyer really didn't want the car if he didn't bother showing up on time.
This is a case of poor communication skills. If he really wanted the car he would have shown up on time or left some type of deposit. Showing up an hour late and then pitching a fit? He's got no one to blame but himself. |
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robbin
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I fully understand that and I agree. The question still is what did you tell buyer 1 the first time he was there?
The way I handle this type of situation is to go to a title place to close the deal. They will be the ones to decide if the signatures are correct.
Honestly, you asked about integrity, yet you seem to be trying to defend yourself as if you did something wrong. You sold your car and in the end that is all that matters. As to the integrity of it, donate the extra $200 to a charity of your or exes choice and don't sorry about it anymore!  |
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mityfowl
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Neither 1 of us talked about hold. In my book no money , no hold, period. I didn't know buyer 2 would pop up in 2 hours. Neither did buyer 1. Many calls so who's to tell. |
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robbin
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Leander, TX | reply to mityfowl
Thanks for finally clarifying what wasn't signed. I am still unclear if you told buyer 1 that you would hold it until you got the title signed by the ex -- and if so what you said. |
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mityfowl
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX
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No ex-wife signed it on the front and it was a clear title. I think buyer 1 got to picky and it cost him the deal. I've never heard off both owners needing to sign the odometer affidavit.
Buyer 1 did have the cash but didn't like the lack of signatures on the back.
Buyer 1 should have given me a check for some amount and that would have probably been the end of the story. |
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salzan
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I think you both kind of messed up but more so the buyer.
He should have shown up with a deposit in hand. If he was concerned about the title, that could have been written into the receipt for the deposit. If he was really concerned about your honesty, he should have just walked.
The buyer should have provided you with contact info and you should have made an attempt to contact him when he didn't show up. He should also have had a phone # for you.
If you were going to have a "you snooze, you lose" policy on the time frame, you should have warned him.
When he was late, he should have called to let you know (assuming he has your phone number). |
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wenter99
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4 edits | reply to mityfowl
said by mityfowl :Was I a worm? Nah, you weren't no worm. Car dealer would have done the same thing without any deposit.
Your first buyer was just pissed about loosing out. Ya snooze, ya loose!
One thing I've learned over the years is if you think you've found a decent deal on anything, you better go prepared to pay for it. If your first buyer came without cash in hand, he was still just shopping around!
And another thing, if you and your wife (if it was a joint ownership) had already signed the front of the original Texas title, that's all that was needed to sell the car. No more notarized tax affidavit bullshit in Texas. No more signatures required on the back of a free and clear Texas title since years ago (unless you're putting the car up for hock and a lien will be held against it). |
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mityfowl
join:2000-11-06
Dallas, TX
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Yes that was a joint title but she had already signed the front before buyer 1 showed up, just not on the back where he thought she should have. I don't think she needed to sign the back just me, but whatever.
Not very many bad 100's floating around Dallas. If this was a scam it's the most elaborate thing I've ever thought of for only $2000. |
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said by mityfowl :I'm not worried about anything. It was an interesting dilemma. I think I told the whole story truthfully, the 1st guy didn't show up on time. No deposit, no return. Cash in hand and car gone now. Question I have out of curiosity is on the title who was listed as the owner of the vehicle? You, your ex-wife, both of you?
Also hope the cash you now have in hand is good money and not counterfeit..The way you told the story almost seemed like Buyer #1 and Buyer # 2 were working a scam together...She end up saying she'll pay you $200.00 more than him...write a check for the total amount for the whole thing and then comes back with total amount in cash....Did she ask for the check back after giving you cash?
Hope all is cool but could you answer the question I have regarding whose names were on the title? |
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said by mityfowl :Was I a worm? No money talks and you know what walks and in this case it's the guy who showed up late.
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mityfowl
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Dallas, TX | reply to fixrman
I'm not worried about anything. It was an interesting dilemma. I think I told the whole story truthfully, the 1st guy didn't show up on time. No deposit, no return.
Cash in hand and car gone now. |
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The car you looked at today and liked - but did not buy, is the same car that will not be here when you return tomorrow. Buy today.
Used car sales are ridiculously easy, especially for a regular Joe. Sell it as-is, make sure you have a bill of sale to reflect the VIN. If you agree to take a deposit and hold the vehicle for a specific term, honor it - or else don't take the deposit. In any case, you cannot keep the deposit unless the potential buyer agrees that the deposit is non-refundable. If there wasn't have another buyer to lose a sale to, the deposit should be refunded. Just saying that there was would be unethical.
When I sell a car, first cash takes it. Checks are not acceptable to me unless certified and $500.00 or more, and I will hold a vehicle for 12 hours only. Who walks around with a $500.00 certified check?
ATMs are prevalent. A serious buyer will have what is needed within 24 hours. If the guy didn't show up as you say, then what are you worried about? Perhaps we aren't getting the whole story here? |
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mityfowl
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Dallas, TX | reply to mityfowl
And no matter what the deal is:
It's still negotiable! |
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