Used Car Selling Integraty in Automotive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20815141 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:32:52 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:32:52 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818859 wenter99 : Yeah, he finds something to whine about and tries to create FUD..., to buy time for himself to make a decision, OR, come up with the money.

It's not immoral nor illegal in preliminary stages of a transaction. It used to be called "horse trading"! Both of you guys expressed your interest in doing a transaction with each other, but neither made any commitment beyond just interest

Hell. You're a salesman. You know how it works... and it works for ya sometimes and it can work against ya too!
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"Sometimes all you can do is just hunker down and take it, like a jackass caught out in a hail storm". LBJ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818859 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:55:47 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818733 mityfowl : That's the way I looked at it too.

I'm a salesman for some big ticket things but I think I got flustered when buyer 1 said my title wasn't in order.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818733 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:21:59 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818666 wenter99 : Actually, this wasn't even a binding offer to by or sell by you or the first "looker". That's all he was when he left your presence the first time... just a "looker"!

This shit is silly, from either a moral or legal perspective, as far common sense is concerned!

Gore, Bush, Obama or Osama..
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"Sometimes all you can do is just hunker down and take it, like a jackass caught out in a hail storm". LBJ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818666 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:01:26 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818637 wenter99 : GDamn, there ain't nothing weird about it. He could have given ya a deposit and the both of you agreed upon terms of completing the sale, OR you guys did just what you did. He had no commitment to come back and buy the car from you and you had no commitment to sell it to him.

Seems pretty simple to me...
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"Sometimes all you can do is just hunker down and take it, like a jackass caught out in a hail storm". LBJ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818637 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:54:46 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818596 mityfowl : Make no mistake I don't like Al Bore.

Neither of us talked, asked or I think, thought of a deposit. That's what makes this a weird and interesting story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818596 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:44:25 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818562 robbin :
said by mityfowl See Profile :

I don't know that there even is a title place in far N. Dallas! It's sorta ritzy here.

I don't feel guilty about making $200 more and I certainly won't give it to Al Gore type things. Not that your advocating.
Now you are starting to show your colors -- why are you bringing up Al Gore up into the conversation? :o

The ex wife thing is really separate from this -- the buyer didn't think that your title was sellable and from what you have posted I still can't tell what you told him -- yes -- he should have given you a deposit -- you still haven't stated if you asked for one or what you said AT THAT TIME -- that determines the intrigity -- what you said and what he said.

If you are a used car salesman there is no intregity, but you don't appear to be one! Good for you! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818562 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:38:59 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818273 mityfowl : I don't know that there even is a title place in far N. Dallas! It's sorta ritzy here.

I don't feel guilty about making $200 more and I certainly won't give it to Al Gore type things. Not that your advocating.

I have a daughter in college and she will burn though this like butter and a hot knife :D

Hell, I have an ex-wife that looks at anything I have and says "mine". And I don't hardly talk to her!. Give me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818273 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:20:53 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818230 seaquake : First buyer really didn't want the car if he didn't bother showing up on time.

This is a case of poor communication skills. If he really wanted the car he would have shown up on time or left some type of deposit. Showing up an hour late and then pitching a fit? He's got no one to blame but himself.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818230 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:09:55 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818196 robbin : I fully understand that and I agree. The question still is what did you tell buyer 1 the first time he was there?

The way I handle this type of situation is to go to a title place to close the deal. They will be the ones to decide if the signatures are correct.

Honestly, you asked about integrity, yet you seem to be trying to defend yourself as if you did something wrong. You sold your car and in the end that is all that matters. As to the integrity of it, donate the extra $200 to a charity of your or exes choice and don't sorry about it anymore! ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818196 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:59:56 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818175 mityfowl : Neither 1 of us talked about hold. In my book no money , no hold, period. I didn't know buyer 2 would pop up in 2 hours. Neither did buyer 1. Many calls so who's to tell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818175 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:52:22 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818164 robbin : Thanks for finally clarifying what wasn't signed. I am still unclear if you told buyer 1 that you would hold it until you got the title signed by the ex -- and if so what you said. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818164 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:50:11 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818096 mityfowl : No ex-wife signed it on the front and it was a clear title. I think buyer 1 got to picky and it cost him the deal. I've never heard off both owners needing to sign the odometer affidavit.

Buyer 1 did have the cash but didn't like the lack of signatures on the back.

Buyer 1 should have given me a check for some amount and that would have probably been the end of the story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818096 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:30:51 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817559 salzan : I think you both kind of messed up but more so the buyer.

He should have shown up with a deposit in hand. If he was concerned about the title, that could have been written into the receipt for the deposit. If he was really concerned about your honesty, he should have just walked.

The buyer should have provided you with contact info and you should have made an attempt to contact him when he didn't show up. He should also have had a phone # for you.

If you were going to have a "you snooze, you lose" policy on the time frame, you should have warned him.

When he was late, he should have called to let you know (assuming he has your phone number).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817559 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:58:18 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817179 wenter99 :
said by mityfowl See Profile :

Was I a worm?
Nah, you weren't no worm. Car dealer would have done the same thing without any deposit.

Your first buyer was just pissed about loosing out. Ya snooze, ya loose!

One thing I've learned over the years is if you think you've found a decent deal on anything, you better go prepared to pay for it. If your first buyer came without cash in hand, he was still just shopping around!

And another thing, if you and your wife (if it was a joint ownership) had already signed the front of the original Texas title, that's all that was needed to sell the car. No more notarized tax affidavit bullshit in Texas. No more signatures required on the back of a free and clear Texas title since years ago (unless you're putting the car up for hock and a lien will be held against it).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817179 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:16:32 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816514 mityfowl : Yes that was a joint title but she had already signed the front before buyer 1 showed up, just not on the back where he thought she should have. I don't think she needed to sign the back just me, but whatever.

Not very many bad 100's floating around Dallas. If this was a scam it's the most elaborate thing I've ever thought of for only $2000.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816514 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:23:59 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816497 sailor :
said by mityfowl See Profile :

I'm not worried about anything. It was an interesting dilemma. I think I told the whole story truthfully, the 1st guy didn't show up on time. No deposit, no return.

Cash in hand and car gone now.
Question I have out of curiosity is on the title who was listed as the owner of the vehicle? You, your ex-wife, both of you?

Also hope the cash you now have in hand is good money and not counterfeit..The way you told the story almost seemed like Buyer #1 and Buyer # 2 were working a scam together...She end up saying she'll pay you $200.00 more than him...write a check for the total amount for the whole thing and then comes back with total amount in cash....Did she ask for the check back after giving you cash?

Hope all is cool but could you answer the question I have regarding whose names were on the title?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816497 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:18:33 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816139 Splitpair :
said by mityfowl See Profile :

Was I a worm?
No money talks and you know what walks and in this case it's the guy who showed up late. ;-)

Wayne
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816139 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:47:29 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816092 mityfowl : I'm not worried about anything. It was an interesting dilemma. I think I told the whole story truthfully, the 1st guy didn't show up on time. No deposit, no return.

Cash in hand and car gone now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816092 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:34:13 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815623 fixrman : The car you looked at today and liked - but did not buy, is the same car that will not be here when you return tomorrow. Buy today.

Used car sales are ridiculously easy, especially for a regular Joe. Sell it as-is, make sure you have a bill of sale to reflect the VIN. If you agree to take a deposit and hold the vehicle for a specific term, honor it - or else don't take the deposit. In any case, you cannot keep the deposit unless the potential buyer agrees that the deposit is non-refundable. If there wasn't have another buyer to lose a sale to, the deposit should be refunded. Just saying that there was would be unethical.

When I sell a car, first cash takes it. Checks are not acceptable to me unless certified and $500.00 or more, and I will hold a vehicle for 12 hours only. Who walks around with a $500.00 certified check?

ATMs are prevalent. A serious buyer will have what is needed within 24 hours. If the guy didn't show up as you say, then what are you worried about? Perhaps we aren't getting the whole story here? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815623 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:49:07 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815322 mityfowl : And no matter what the deal is:

It's still negotiable!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815322 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:49:56 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815285 mityfowl : It's not my job to baby sit the buyers!

It's not my job to contact the buyer.

I don't drive their car or control the buyers cash.

I told everything that I know that is wrong or maybe with the car.

I did not do everything to help the buyer, I'm the seller.

I sell 1 car every 4 years!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815285 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:02:54 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815275 robbin : I'm not trying to be ugly about this but you ask about integrity. It really sound to me like you made a verbal agreement with the first buyer. I haven't heard if you tried to contact them before taking the second offer. The first buyer should have asked about putting a deposit down but being a "cash only" deal may not have felt comfortable or had the the ability to give a deposit check (which can be cancelled) or leaving you with cash without anything but a handwritten receipt. I realize they didn't show on time, but my limited experience with Dallas is sometimes that is impossible. I guess what I am trying to ask is -- "Did you do everything you could to try to finalize the first deal before accepting the second (as in trying to contact the buyer). I'm not saying that you were required to, but it is sounding to me like you had a verbal agreement and the first buyer thought you did. I guess this is where you have to make the determination as none of us were there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815275 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:48:40 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815267 mityfowl : I haven't signed the title and the car is still in my garage.

No cash in my hand yet.

Nyt!

A real check that I could take to the bank though!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815267 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:40:22 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815263 CurtesyFlush : The early bird gets the worm car. Tough luck, Mr. Can't Show Up On Time.

I'd have done the same thing. I'm a stickler for being on time. It's one of the few things I'm anal about.
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said by mityfowl See Profile :

I don't know how many used cars you have sold but I've never sold 1 until cash changed hands.
So now you are saying that it isn't sold? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815261 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:38:04 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815260 mityfowl : I'd be fucked!

My ex usually does that.

I told her some of this was hers. And she'll get it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815260 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:36:34 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815258 mityfowl : Now hold it.

There was a time frame there too.

I did this (and I did) and he didn't do this.

Over 1 hour late.

I don't know how many used cars you have sold but I've never sold 1 until cash changed hands.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815258 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:33:48 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815254 robbin : I not saying you did anything wrong -- but the fact that you are getting more $ concerns me. It does sound to me like you made a verbal commitment and said you would get the sig where the buyer thought it needed to be -- not that you told them it didn't need to be there. I agree about the cash in hand, but you don't have that now which leads me to believe (whether true or not) that you had a better offer and they didn't have the cash so you said "just give me a check to hold it". I am still uncertain if you asked the first buyer for a deposit or if you just told them you would fix the title when your ex got there? What would have happened if your ex would have been an hour late???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815254 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:25:01 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815248 mityfowl : Not really iffy.

Check for full but deal is cash. Check in full to hold till tomorrow at noon. I think that's a real deal and the the other, cash but nothing in my hand is worthless. I think he should have given me a deposit or check in full to seal the deal. He looked at the title and just dind't see my ex-wies name on 1 line. (I still don't think it needs to be there)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815248 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:19:10 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815244 robbin : I never worry about a hand shake, my word is good enough. It sounds like you had a title which you couldn't deliver due to it not being signed in a place it was supposed to. Now you say you didn't actually sell it yet as you don't have the cash! First buyer showed back up with cash but now you have a new buyer offering more $ -- Starting to sound iffy to me.

[edit] Did you try to contact the first buyer before selling it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815244 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:13:22 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815243 X Man :
said by mityfowl See Profile :

Original said wife didn't sign here and I'm like ok, I could take care of that right now. She signed all the other places.

No cash given, no check deposit and no hand shake for whatever that's worth anymore.

#2gave a check in total and said she would be back before 11:00 am sat with cash. I believe her.
Still as clear as mud. If #2 gave a check for full, why are they bringing cash later?

Lack of communication is the obvious problem here. I would have made it clear to #1 that no deposit = no sale.

So, no you're fine, just some un-necessary confusion I think.

Mike
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815243 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:13:14 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815235 mityfowl : Original said my ex-wife didn't sign here and I'm like ok, I could take care of that right now. She signed all the other places.

No cash given, no check deposit and no hand shake for whatever that's worth anymore.

#2 showed up about 6:15 and was writing a check about 6:45 when #1 showed back up.

#2 gave a check in total and said she would be back before 11:00 am sat with cash. I believe her.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815235 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:05:16 EDT Re: Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815214 robbin : Can you give more details on the sig and why and what your ex-wife signed or what would change when she got there? What time did you actually sell it? Did you ask the first person to leave a deposit or did they offer?

[edit] Cash talks but the second person gave you a check? I would also ask if you had a way to contact the first buyer and if you tried to make contact -- traffic problems happen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815214 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:52:42 EDT Used Car Selling Integraty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815141 mityfowl : I just sold my 1996 Taurus LX Wagon today TWICE!

I'm a salesman but not a used car salesman. I sell a used car about every 5 years. I'm always totally honest about the flaws if someone asks and then some.

Here's the deal: 3:00 today someone calls from Craigs list and says "hey I'm interested".. I'm ok come by.

Test drive , he likes for someone else. cash offer.

He doesn't like my ex wife's sig. I say ok, she'll be over at 5:30 you come at 5:45.

Guess what no buyer at 5:30 or 45....

Another lady calls then and I tell her I got an offer but come on down I don't have cash yet.

Well she says its perfect and as she's signing the check, buyer 1 pulls up and says I'm a no good lyiing dog and not a man of my word! I say used cars, cash talks or deposits.

I say no cash in hand or a deposit.

Made $200 more but done deal.

Was I a worm?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20815141 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:05:02 EDT