Re: LNP Turbo Mode in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20817636 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:06:04 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:06:04 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20824564 supergirl :
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said by AVonGauss See Profile :

No, its not. VoIP is no different than a traditional telco, wireless or cable provider as far as LNP is concerned and should be treated no differently.
With normal port requests with say Verizon or ATT, you only have to deal with a single party. With a VoIP port request, you have to deal with two parties - the VoIP provider and their upstream provider. So, despite what you believe, it is different.
Umm, Bellsouth took over 2 weeks to port a number to Cox. I'd call that ridiculous since cell companies can do it 24 hrs.
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Time to put up or shut down. 48 hours is plenty of time to make a change whether it's an ILEC or CLEC or wholesale provider.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20824479 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:06:50 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20819646 Austinloop : No, someone who has a broadband connection. I know some folks that have broadband connections who are totally lost on the technical end of things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20819646 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:49:03 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818887 nitzan : You mean, the same non-technical older person who's never upgraded from dialup? the one who can't use VoIP anyway because they don't have a broadband connection?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818887 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:04:16 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817573 anon : How is a VoIP provider's upstream in anyway involved in the porting process?

Granted, if the company didn't have their own switch and simply resold services, that's one thing. As long as the switch has its own LRN, porting can happen between the VoIP provider and the winning carrier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817573 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 20:23:07 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817681 Austinloop : Well, unfortunately, if some none technical type older person decides to swallow all that the company I referring to doesn't know that there is no guaranteed up time, possible delays with emergency calls, etc., then maybe, just maybe, the rules should be the same.

But I am sure that the VoIP companies fully explain the downside of their service, including no guaranteed up time fully to new customers.

To the vast majority of people, present forum excepted, phone service is phone service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817681 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:26:14 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817636 NetAdmin :
said by Austinloop See Profile :

What requirements, precisely, placed on pots are impossible to deliver?
The obvious one - guaranteed uptime.

said by Austinloop See Profile :

I have seen ads for one of the VoIP companies saying they are your internet phone company. How are they different if they claim to provide phone service?
They are a phone company, they provide you with a voice line. that you can use to talk to others on the POTS network.

Phone service comes in different flavors and VoIP is one of several different flavors of phone service. Other phone companies provide you with phone service, but are exempt from the same rules as POTS providers - cell carriers, satellite phone careers, etc.
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I have seen ads for one of the VoIP companies saying they are your internet phone company. How are they different if they claim to provide phone service?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817593 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:05:25 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817577 Austinloop : I had suggested, above, that VoIP ports be given 96 hours, instead of the 48 hours that a telco is given, since there are two parties involved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817577 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:02:28 EDT Re: LNP Turbo Mode http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20817527 NetAdmin :
said by Austinloop See Profile :

And that is a real shame.
No, it is a good thing. POTS and VOIP service, as they are now, are two vastly different types services. Some of the regulatory requirements placed on POTS are impossible to deliver with VOIP.

I would urge you to first understand why they are regulated differently before you blindly state that it "is a real shame" they are regulated differently.
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said by AVonGauss See Profile :

No, its not. VoIP is no different than a traditional telco, wireless or cable provider as far as LNP is concerned and should be treated no differently.
With normal port requests with say Verizon or ATT, you only have to deal with a single party. With a VoIP port request, you have to deal with two parties - the VoIP provider and their upstream provider. So, despite what you believe, it is different.
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said by Austinloop See Profile :

As long as it applies to VoIP as well as landline, I am fine with it. I have read a few horror stories about VoIP delaying porting on the various forums.
VoIP LNP is a different ball of wax from your local telco or cableco. You actually have to wait for two companies to process and release the number for the phone number - your VoIP carrier and then the carrier from which they purchase voice transport. So the expectation that a VoIP port away should be as quick as a traditional POTS port away is problematic.
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Gives the consumer control over their numbers that they have a right to port so why should they have to wait an excessive period of time for it?
I support it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20816660 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:05:12 EDT