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jeffster1970
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| In this day and age it's amazing... that record companies can sue the pants off (well, that's a bad pun) of a 9-year old kid and 90 year old granny (now that's more like it) for downloading stuff like, Barney's Greatest Hits and "Greatest Songs from the hit Series: Murder She Wrote", yet, child porn is freely available. Something wrong with this world. I mean, seriously wrong. Why should these ISP be threatened?? Shouldn't this be an automatic thing? I mean, they can traffic shape and stuff like that, but this crap is too hard to stop?
Priorities, people, priorities.
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| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by jeffster1970  :that record companies can sue the pants off (well, that's a bad pun) of a 9-year old kid and 90 year old granny (now that's more like it) for downloading stuff like, Barney's Greatest Hits and "Greatest Songs from the hit Series: Murder She Wrote", yet, child porn is freely available. Something wrong with this world. I mean, seriously wrong. Why should these ISP be threatened?? Shouldn't this be an automatic thing? I mean, they can traffic shape and stuff like that, but this crap is too hard to stop? Priorities, people, priorities. Porn -kiddie or otherwise- will never be eliminated just like all the other less than ideal elements of society will never go away. It is the price for living in a free society vs a dictatorship surveillance society where every piece of mail and/or digital pakcet is opened and examined by default. | |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by SilverSurfer :said by jeffster1970 :that record companies can sue the pants off (well, that's a bad pun) of a 9-year old kid and 90 year old granny (now that's more like it) for downloading stuff like, Barney's Greatest Hits and "Greatest Songs from the hit Series: Murder She Wrote", yet, child porn is freely available. Something wrong with this world. I mean, seriously wrong. Why should these ISP be threatened?? Shouldn't this be an automatic thing? I mean, they can traffic shape and stuff like that, but this crap is too hard to stop? Priorities, people, priorities. Porn -kiddie or otherwise- will never be eliminated just like all the other less than ideal elements of society will never go away. It is the price for living in a free society vs a dictatorship surveillance society where every piece of mail and/or digital pakcet is opened and examined by default. And cue the posters that will foam on and on about how they feel we're already there...
'Oh we live in that society now dude! This George Bush guy is all up in your business man. I mean this last law they like just passed was pretty freakin gnarly' | |
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| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by Neyland :And cue the posters that will foam on and on about how they feel we're already there... 'Oh we live in that society now dude! This George Bush guy is all up in your business man. I mean this last law they like just passed was pretty freakin gnarly' LMAO. Do you even know what you're talking about. | |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by SilverSurfer :said by Neyland :And cue the posters that will foam on and on about how they feel we're already there... 'Oh we live in that society now dude! This George Bush guy is all up in your business man. I mean this last law they like just passed was pretty freakin gnarly' LMAO. Do you even know what you're talking about. Well ya see it was a joke... Perhaps a poor one, but every time someone on these forums say anything that might reference the gov looking into their private 'matters' a rather lengthy rabid disccusion ensues over our current president, wire tapping, and those that feel it's a violation and those that feel it's warranted. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Record companies don't make money off of kiddie porn. They don't care about it because it's not their business to care about it. If they were in the business of selling child porn you can bet that they would be going after it as much as they go after music downloaders. | |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
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join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs: | Re: In this day and age it's amazing... Usenet is unfiltered. If a provider carries a group, they get anything and everything that is posted to said group. No one at the server end moderates it. It's up to the clients to filter on their own. | |
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by jeffster1970 :True, no one should expect the RIAA or movie studio's to do anything about child pornography, however, since the ISP's are involved in weeding out the criminals for downloading the latest Britney Spears single, they should also be able to block stuff clearly labelled as child porn. " 6 year old gives blow job to 17 year old boy " in the decription makes it pretty clear How exactly do you block an attachment based off of a subject line of a post? How do you differentiate between a image of, from your example, a child performing oral sex from say a PDF of a news article with the same subject? Computers are still extremely dumb. It's basically impossible to deterministically decide what's obscene/illegal/etc and what's not.
I don't recall ever seeing a single ISP that has gone after one of their customers for downloading something illegal. Just like the RIAA isn't in the child porn biz, ISPs aren't in the music and movie biz. They just don't care. It's not their fight.
ISPs however are in the business of making money. And if something costs them extra money and they don't have a chance to recover it, then they aren't going to allow it. This is why many are looking at caps. It's not WHAT people are downloading. It's how MUCH they are downloading.
ISPs are also going to minimize their liability when it comes to over-reaching attorney generals. There is a real simple formula businesses usually follow when talking about liability. If the benefit of service (aka profit) is less than the cost of offering the service + potential legal costs of offering service, then they aren't going to offer it.
With the current NY AG fight to "stop" child porn by going after Usenet, the ISPs simply decided that the cost + legal was greater then the profit. Usenet doesn't make money. It only costs it. The .000001% of customers that might leave their ISP because they no longer provide Usenet access are simply absorbed as normal churn and won't be felt in the pocket book. In some cases, it actually could make the pocketbook grow thicker as the cost of providing the service is not minimal. Those that must have Usenet will just go to Giganew, Easynews, et al and continue downloading away.
If/when Mr. Cuomo goes after Usenet providers like Giganews or Easynews, expect much more of a fight. These companies do make money off the service so the legal portion of the above formula can be much higher before it tips the scales. They also "get it" and won't be so willing to implement or block something that obviously won't change anything. | |
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Jason Levine
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USA
| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by cdru :How exactly do you block an attachment based off of a subject line of a post? How do you differentiate between a image of, from your example, a child performing oral sex from say a PDF of a news article with the same subject? And going even further, let's say your computer spots a post with an image attachment called "Susie at the beach.jpg" Now is that a kid having fun at the beach (innocent image)? Child porn? An adult at the beach (also innocent image)? Or perhaps adult porn (legal, even if distasteful to some people).
The only way to know is for a human to open it up and even then it can be vague. What looks like an innocent child building a sand castle at the beach to us might be a turn on for someone into child porn. You might have to look at the context of the group, of the poster's previous images, etc. That's not something that computers can reasonably do yet.
All Andrew Cuomo is doing is grabbing some quick and easy good PR. "Hey! Look at me! I'm fighting child porn! Aren't I such a great guy?"
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