Mizzat
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| Busted NID
Any techs know the protocol on a busted NID? I just bought a house and the NI was on the side of the house where the driveway squeezes through the fence and the house and someone probably hit it with their car/sideview mirror.
In any case, the tel co cable just dangles down the side of the house and I'm wanting to bring the NI to a closet on the inside of the house for security (and remove it from that side of the house anyway). All wire inside the NI looks functional and connected, just the cover got busted up and it just dangles by the inside wiring that goes in through the siding. I can attempt to go by and take pics if needed.
Whats your advice?
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NetFixer
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| Just call AT&T residential repair service and report it. Unless some nosy new neighbor took pictures of you ramming it with your U-Haul truck, I don't think AT&T would even think of charging for that repair. 
As for relocating it, I think that an inside NID may not be considered a standard location. You can always try to sweet talk the tech into doing it anyway.
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joako
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Well every business in the mall the demarc is in the back room -- just a punchdown block. In "standalone" locations usually there's a wiring cabinet outside where the stuff is grounded and the demarc is still a punchdown block in the back of the store.
Now, you do need a point where the cable is grounded and tied to the building ground... I think if you drill the holes in advance and make sure that they can route a ground wire to the building ground they shouldn't have a problem. Just be nice, offer the tech a soda and have your IW (inside wiring) already at the place exactly where you want the NID installed.
What in terms of security do you plan to gain from having the NID inside your home, anyways?
Unless you run your own conduit underground to the service point anyone can cut the cable or even splice into it ("Bed of nails" buttset) without interrupting your service. Even then if your neighborhood is wired aerially they will simply run a cable from the top of the post to the bottom, probably place a junction box in the middle and run the cable underground to your house. If its already underground service there's a pretty green box in front or back of the home that provides anyone easy access to your phone lines.
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Hayward
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| Oh now you are talking a COMMERCIAL service that could be a whole diofferent matter.
(As it is with electric, water, TV, and everything else.
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
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July 22nd, @02:13AM
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said by joako  :What in terms of security do you plan to gain from having the NID inside your home, anyways? Unless you run your own conduit underground to the service point anyone can cut the cable or even splice into it ("Bed of nails" buttset) without interrupting your service. Even then if your neighborhood is wired aerially they will simply run a cable from the top of the post to the bottom, probably place a junction box in the middle and run the cable underground to your house. If its already underground service there's a pretty green box in front or back of the home that provides anyone easy access to your phone lines. He is probably trying to secure the NID from common criminals and neighborhood kids. I doubt he is trying to keep the NSA out. |
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joako
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| said by Airwolf7 :He is probably trying to secure the NID from common criminals and neighborhood kids. I doubt he is trying to keep the NSA out. When they say "wiretap" they don't mean literally tapping your line... they can do that all digitally at the switch-level!
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Airwolf7
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·AT&T Southeast
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July 22nd, @03:56AM
| said by joako :When they say "wiretap" they don't mean literally tapping your line... they can do that all digitally at the switch-level! Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act
Yes, I'm sure that one of our regular members on this forum would be doing it for them.
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said by joako :And we know of course the feds *ALWAYS* get a warrant first. Well the FEDs may or may not get a warrant first.
The person that I'm talking about at one time in his life took the following oath and I seriously doubt that he has forgot about the oath that he swore.
"I,XXXXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. I swear (or affirm) that I am fully aware and fully understand the conditions under which I am enlisting." |
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joako
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Gainesville, FL | And we know of course the feds *ALWAYS* get a warrant first.
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Splitpair
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said by Mizzat :Any techs know the protocol on a busted NID? Yea call repair tell them the NID is busted and you want it replaced. That's a no charge repair.
In any case, the tel co cable just dangles down the side of the house and I'm wanting to bring the NI to a closet on the inside of the house for security (and remove it from that side of the house anyway). If you have ever seen what a NID looks like after a cross with power you would no longer want one inside you home. NID's are the second line of defense against surges and power entering the home and sometimes they burn up in the process. If you really have your heart set on moving into the home YOU will need to provide a ground and it needs to be installed in an area free of anything that might burn. On the concrete wall the of the garage is one possiblity
As for security outside if it is buried service we can place a u-guard over the BSW to conceal and protect and if the drop is aerial the NID can be moved high on the wall. To protect the IW just drill thru the lower part of the NID into the home and that will eliminate any exposed IW.
Wayne
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Hayward
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July 22nd, @04:03AM
| Well and and as OP stated,,,,
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Well every business in the mall the demarc is in the back room
This is not residential, but commercial which you better than I might know is a whole different set of rules/billing.
EDIT OOPS secondary poster JACKO
But res and comm can be very different things.
Most utility commercial things are.
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Mizzat
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Atlanta, GA
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said by Airwolf7 :said by joako :What in terms of security do you plan to gain from having the NID inside your home, anyways? Unless you run your own conduit underground to the service point anyone can cut the cable or even splice into it ("Bed of nails" buttset) without interrupting your service. Even then if your neighborhood is wired aerially they will simply run a cable from the top of the post to the bottom, probably place a junction box in the middle and run the cable underground to your house. If its already underground service there's a pretty green box in front or back of the home that provides anyone easy access to your phone lines. He is probably trying to secure the NID from common criminals and neighborhood kids. I doubt he is trying to keep the NSA out. Correct |
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FAQFixer
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Powder Springs, GA | Many NIDs have the ability to install a lock to prevent access. |
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Mizzat
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Atlanta, GA
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| said by FAQFixer :Many NIDs have the ability to install a lock to prevent access. The problem with that is the cover is busted, but yea if I get that repaired, I can lock it. However, the cable connecting to it can easily be clipped or ripped out and *poof* my burglar alarm no longer works, or at least it doesn't dial the cops/fire/alarm company like it needs to. |
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joako
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Gainesville, FL | reply to Mizzat
You should insure your alarm has a good battery and get a cellular backup for it.
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Mizzat
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Atlanta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by joako :You should insure your alarm has a good battery and get a cellular backup for it. Thanks for the suggestion but I've already looked into that. I'd rather not pay the extra monthly $ for backup wireless, and just secure the wireline. |
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Airwolf7
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Franklin, KY
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July 22nd, @01:42PM
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Put a lock on your NID, run the customer premise wiring through the grommet on the back of the NID, and mount it up high on the house. A cellular dialer isn't a bad idea either.
Get you one of these.
Taurus .45/410 Revolver
Up close it will ruin a man and you wont kill the neighbors across the street with it due to over penetration.
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kremithefrog
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Albany, GA | Might wanna get a better gun than a taurus. Some are ok but I'd prefer something with a bit better reputation. And something that is made or atleast serviced in the usa. |
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Mizzat
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Atlanta, GA
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Well I ran the aerial line through my attic gable, down an internal wall, and into the crawlspace. A tech came out Wednesday and attached a new NID to the wall in my crawl space. I'm really happy about that. It was easier than I thought to run the wire down the internal wall. Right now I have my wireless router plugged directly into the test jack for wireless Internet, as all my internal phone lines from the jacks terminate at the other end of the house where the power companies ground is. So I have to re-run those to a phone closet in my house. The tech grounded the NID to my copper piping. I needlessly bought my own ground wire, but he used thier own, I just had to provide the ground spot, which was already there. I'm extermly happy, the tech even offered to run a line to the other side of the house through the crawl space, but I told him it isn't neccissary as I was wanting to bring that all to a structered wiring box in the phone closet. I'm extremly pleased!
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bogey780
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Covington, LA | 'The tech grounded the NID to my copper piping.'
Not one of the 5 approved grounding sources. |
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Mizzat
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Atlanta, GA
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| said by bogey780 :'The tech grounded the NID to my copper piping.' Not one of the 5 approved grounding sources. OK, what are the 5? Obviously the GA power one, but that is the farthest you can be to the other side of the house. |
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