Alexoi
join:2007-03-23
El Segundo, CA
| Question about the spell damage weapon for Pally
I am currently using the Continuum Blade with +40 spell enchant for tanking. Should I replace it with the S2 Merciless Gladiator's Gavel and put +40 spell damage on it? Or should I keep the Continum Blade and run heroics or kara for better weapon? Need some advise please.
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saillaw
join:2007-05-08
Azerbaijan
| For me, I stick with whichever weapon has the most spell damage unless one of the weapons also has some tanking stats (like block, defense or a but load of stam) that obvioulsy offsets the additional spellpower. I can't compare the two weapons from work so I can't really say atm. It may also depend on what you normally tank? I find that in 5 mans I run oom a lot because the damage I'm taking is not that great so I'm not getting healed that much and I therefore dont get the mana return from the heals. For 25 mans I never seem to go oom. My point being that If you are going oom a lot maybe you'll weigh int on a weapon as more important than spell damage?
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s1deout
join:2003-12-10
Troy, OH | reply to Alexoi
Grind Lower City rep and get that 1H Mace. It is a pretty decent pally tanking weapon too. |
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klambert
Seti Rocks
ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-07-20
Dallas, TX
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| reply to Alexoi
If you are wanting to maximize your +spelldamage (and it looks like you are), the S2 weapon is as good as youare going to get with a few caveats:
(1) there is probably a better 150-badge weapon (there was for my shadow priest)
(2) there "may" be a better weap in ZA (there was 1 that was a tiny bit better than the S2 I have on my mage)
(3) it is unlikly that there are any better weapons through SSC/TK, but starting with MH there are better spelldamage weapons available. |
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Alexoi
join:2007-03-23
El Segundo, CA
| reply to saillaw
Merciless Gladiator's Gavel
Binds when picked up
MaceMain Hand Mace
18 - 113 Damage
(41.2 damage per second)
+27 Stamina
+18 Intellect
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves spell hit rating by 15.
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 18.
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 225.
Continuum Blade
Binds when picked up
Unique
Main Hand Sword
35 - 114 Damage Speed 1.80
(41.4 damage per second)
+30 Stamina
+11 Intellect
Durability 90 / 90
Requires Level 70
Requires Keepers of Time - Revered
Equip: Improves spell hit rating by 8 (0.63% @ L70).
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 121.
I was told that I need to focus on +spelldamge weapon and gears. I have problem holding aggo and killing mobs is so SLOW (it is painful doing dailies).
said by s1deout  :Grind Lower City rep and get that 1H Mace. It is a pretty decent pally tanking weapon too. The Merciless Gladiator's Gavel had more spell damage than the lower city rep mace, isn't it?
said by klambert :(3) it is unlikly that there are any better weapons through SSC/TK, but starting with MH there are better spelldamage weapons available. What is MH?
I am thinking the easiest way to get a good +spell damage pally tank weapon is the Merciless Gladiator mace. The only thing I don't understand is I saw a lot of tankadins using Continuum Blade and I have not seen one using the S1 or S2 Gladiator mace. |
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Jakiel00
join:2007-12-12
Mckinney, TX
| reply to Alexoi
Run AV for a day or 2 to get the S2 Mace (I think its 27K honor and AV marks) that was listed above. Don't waste your time grinding rep for something that will need to be replaced sooner. That S2 Mace will last you a while.
When you do run AV, might as well respec either holy or ret. I wouldn't run it as a prot pally. |
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Alexoi
join:2007-03-23
El Segundo, CA | Running AV is my only way to get honor points fast. I have been running AV with prot spec wearing healing gears for so long. :P |
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MaybeTrouble
join:2008-05-09
Anchorage, AK
| reply to Alexoi
I'm no tank, so forgive me if this is completely wrong, but surely you would want some kind of defensive spell on all your items if you're tanking? I understand you might need some weapons to cause damage with for quests and pvp'ing, but surely the most important thing for the tank job is protecting yourself?
Agility, defense, block, stamina, that sort of thing? Maybe intellect or spirit to increase your mana or health/mana regen?
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SkellBasher
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join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY | Paladin tanks threat is entirely based around Holy damage. Spell damage is a very important stat to have, and the weapon spot is the best slot to put it in.
The S2 mace is better than the Lower City mage. Go with that. |
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s1deout
join:2003-12-10
Troy, OH
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July 23rd, @02:05PM
| reply to Alexoi
Pally tanks need spell damage on the weapon to generate threat.
Amani Punisher
Binds when picked upMain Hand Mace
20 - 113 Damage Speed 1.60
(41.3 damage per second)
+30 Stamina
+21 Intellect
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves spell hit rating by 20 (1.59% @ L70).
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 217.
Is a pretty good one too for an easy to reach drop.
The PVP mace is 25K honor and 20 EoS marks.
The better weapon for pally tanks is actually if you dont like to grind PVP is
»www.wowhead.com/?item=32660
Binds when equippedMain Hand Sword
35 - 114 Damage Speed 1.80
(41.4 damage per second)
+30 Stamina
+8 Intellect
Durability 90 / 90
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 11 (1.4% @ L70).
Equip: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 121.
It has shield block on it . To me that is a pally tank weapon for the avoidance until you get the Armini mace by then avoidance should not be an issue. |
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klambert
Seti Rocks
ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-07-20
Dallas, TX
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| MH is Mount Hyjal.
There is no comparison between the S2 mace and the continuum blade. The reasons you don't see a lot of pally tanks with the S2 weapon are:
(1) until recently, you had to get it with arena points;
(2) most people simply don't want to grind honor & EotS marks
(3) most people don't understand how good it really is;
(4) many pally tanks using that good of a weapon may have already obtained the Armani Punisher (thinks, I coudn't remember the name) or the Hammer of Judgement (from MH trash).
FYI -- both of our guild's pally tanks use the Hammer of Judgement now -- 1 used to use the Armani Punisher before the upgrade, the other used the Merciless Gladiator mace. My Shadow Priest ground the S2 mace agonizingly slowle through arena points (before upgrading to the 150 badge weapon) and my mage currently uses the S2 weapon, acquiring it with ease under the new system.
FYI2 -- spellpower is very important for pally tanks to generate and hold aggro -- actually I think it is more important in many cases than shield block, since pallys have that darn shield block spell that is sooo much better than warriors (and which uses mana).
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klambert
Seti Rocks
ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-07-20
Dallas, TX
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said by Alexoi :I am currently using the Continuum Blade with +40 spell enchant for tanking. Should I replace it with the S2 Merciless Gladiator's Gavel and put +40 spell damage on it? Or should I keep the Continum Blade and run heroics or kara for better weapon? Need some advise please. Thanks, You cannot get a better weapon than the S2 in any heroic or in Kara -- the S2 is dramatically better than anything in there and is on a completely different playing field from the Continuum Blade.
Get the S2 and enchant it (actually its still much better than the Continuum Blade even when its not enchanted). |
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Alexoi
join:2007-03-23
El Segundo, CA | Thanks! Is the drop rate for the Hammer of Judgement low?
I also notice that the low range weapon damage of the S2 mace is only 18 compare to the Continuum blade 35. Does it really matter? |
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klambert
Seti Rocks
ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-07-20
Dallas, TX
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| said by Alexoi :Thanks! Is the drop rate for the Hammer of Judgement low? I also notice that the low range weapon damage of the S2 mace is only 18 compare to the Continuum blade 35. Does it really matter? I woudn't worry about th eweapon damage issue there.
Actually the drop rate fo the Hammer of Judgement is not that bad, but you have to kill TONS of trash in Mount Hyjal, and fight with all of the casters that can use a mace to win it (25-man raids will have several ppl that can use it). |
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saillaw
join:2007-05-08
Azerbaijan
| reply to Alexoi
said by Alexoi :I also notice that the low range weapon damage of the S2 mace is only 18 compare to the Continuum blade 35. Does it really matter? Weapon Physical damage is probably the least important stat for a pally tank's weapon. So very little of a pally tank's threat comes from physical damage, and the pally is actually doing so little phyisical damage that for all practical purposes you can just ignore that stat. Only if everything else were equal would I even bother reading it.
Even if the S2 mace had a physical damage of 1-2 it would still be better by far than the Continuum blade.
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Reanimator
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Spell dmg is the #1 stat you should look for in a tankadin's weapon. The second stat is swing speed. The faster you swing the quicker you can get your seal procs to go off, be it retribution dmg or mana back from Seal of Wisdom. My tankadin uses the s2 atm and Ive been very happy with it. The hammer of judgement is a random drop in MH. And its really random. Ive seen two drop in one run before, and then not seen one for 3 runs. My Spriest was the lucky recipient last time, upgradeing from his s1 blade. Sadly it looks goofy as hell. |
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kywirelessgu
Premium
join:2004-01-25
Nicholasville, KY
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I still have the s2 mace in my bank, I used it for so long I just can't bring myself to trash it.
Sounds like I was in the same place as you are now. I used the continuum blade for awhile before grinding the s2 mace (from arena points back then  ).
I'm sportin the mount hyjal mace now. The only further upgrade I'm aware of is the sword off archimonde, but we are doing some serious backtracking to T5 because of a guild split so may not even get to Archimonde before the expansion.
In the expansion one of the new talents high up in the prot pally tree is based on "WEAPON DAMAGE" so maybe they're going to hook us up with some better weapons in WotLK, or at least give us an AP>Spell Dmg talent or something. As much as they keep saying they want to have gear be dual purpous, we're probably going to be rolling on the same tanking weapons as warriors.
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