Dog Question in General Questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20833473 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:37:07 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:37:07 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20858343 icex _ : Hm, maybe it wasent frontline. Not sure realy what one.

I thought it was but maybe I heard wrong. I'll ask her later.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20858343 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:28:07 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20857604 Hayward :
said by B A See Profile :

The ingrediant you will be looking for is Permethrin. The only product out there that doesn't contain it is Frontline.

Oh I love blanket statements, as they are never right. REVOLUTION does not contain it, and is safe for cats and they have specific doeses for them between puppy/kitty and smal dog.

It also covers a lot more, like mites, both ear and mange... Nematode for cats...and heartworm for dogs...

And again where I get it ( AU Petshed.com), comes with supply of Cannex (also Pfizer made) general dewormer as well... I give infrequently, as not quuite the dose for size of dog, and annual visit to the vet all tests always negative. Fecal worms, HW and blood test.

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said by icex _ See Profile :

By the way I will never use nor recommend frontline for flea and tick prevention. My moms friend has a puppy that almost died from having the frontline applied to her. Spent a few days in the animal hospital over it..
I find it hard to believe that Frontline was the cause, unless the Frontline/Frontline Plus was applied wrong or on too young of a puppy. It IS the safest flea/tick product on the market as it doesn't contain permethrin/pyrethrin, the chemicals in other products that can be toxic.

Frontline is not to be applied to puppies younger than 8 wks, and it must be the one specifically for puppies.

There is also the possibility that this particular puppy was allergic to or is hypersensitive to the active ingrediant (fipronil). That does not mean that Frontline is a bad product.

BTW, 4 months is NOT too young to start a flea/tick preventative.
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"I don't know" would have sent me out the door.

A stool test & blood test should have been done.

Pain meds in animals(like humans) tend to mask the real problem, you need to find the "why".
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I will also agree that buying product from overseas is perfectly acceptable. I USED to buy from Australia. They were MUCH cheaper, but a few years ago, they stopped selling perscription meds to the US.
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said by DataDoc See Profile :

Permethrin is toxic to cats and many cats die each year after being given flea treatments intended for dogs, or by contact with dogs who have recently been treated with Permethrin.
And there is something wrong with reading directions??? (If dumb enought to buy a dog product for a cat... or thing just save miney) all I have seen clearly state that...CAn be FATAL to cats, and different products for dogs and cats.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20846034 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:37:54 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845915 icex _ : She has a white coat which means they'd be easily seen.

You can't realy start any flea and tick preventor on such a young puppy. I'll talk to the woman I got the puppy from, she has some kind of special treatment for the younger puppies.

Not to sound rude or anything.

By the way I will never use nor recommend frontline for flea and tick prevention. My moms friend has a puppy that almost died from having the frontline applied to her. Spent a few days in the animal hospital over it..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845915 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:30:24 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20843375 madylarian :
said by icex _ See Profile :

We havent gaven her a flea and tick treatment yet, which shes never outside anyway so not realy any worries. She doesnt have fleas anyway or we'd see them.
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

You don't have to see them for there to be fleas. And they don't have to go outside to get them, either. Fleas can easily travel into the house on you! Our cats never go out but we still had fleas. In fact, fleas spend very little of their limited life time on the animals. I strongly urge you to start an anti-flea treatment immediately. By the time they become obvious you'll have an infestation that is a bitch-and-a-half to get rid of. And don't think they only get fleas in summer, either. Fleas can live very well year round in your house.

mady, been there, done that
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Anal glands being blocked can make a dog very ill. I hope she/he gets better soon!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20842901 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:12:34 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20839715 icex _ : We havent gaven her a flea and tick treatment yet, which shes never outside anyway so not realy any worries. She doesnt have fleas anyway or we'd see them.

She's been fine today. We're going to see if she does ok for a few more days. It might of been the anal glands they cleaned or whatever. I talked to another person and they said the same thing happen to their friends, so we'll see.
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said by icex _ See Profile :

Vet said it couldent be worms.. we asked him and he never tested.

What would signs of hookworms be in her stool?
If the dog wasn't tested, then nobody knows for sure until you do.
Hookworms are very small, and their presence is detected by microscopic exam of a stool sample for hookworm eggs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838951 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:28:17 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837997 B A : Not just Bio-Spot. Seems to be alot of problems related to these two chemicals. Some dogs react, some don't. Permethrin will kill cats...period.

"The main active ingredient in Bio Spot is a pesticide known as Permethrin (it is used in more than 18 similar products, including Bayer K9 Advantix, Sargents Gold, Sntry Pro XFC, Defend EXspot, and Hartz Control OneSpot). It kills insects by paralyzing their nervous system (that is also how nerve gas works). However, it cannot distinguish between an insect's nervous system, a dog's nervous system, or a human's nervous system. That is why it is important to wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water after handling."

For anyone interested here are some good reads:

Pyrethrin is NOT the same as permethrin. Permethrin is a synthetic pyrethrin, and is less easily broken down than pyrethrin. Although its toxicity is relatively low, it is higher than that of pyrethrin. Pyrethrins can be used on cats; permethrins should NOT be used on cats.

The difference?
»www.livingwithbugs.com/permethr.html

What your brand contains:
»www.peteducation.com/article.cfm···leid=598

Complaints (various brands):
»www.elversonpuzzle.com/biospotle···v17.html
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837997 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:42:42 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837871 Maccawolf : Isn't PERMETHRIN the product that BIOSPOT had in the wrong quantities for the size of the dog?
Killed several and MANY more had allergic reactions. BIOSPOT also refused to pull the INCORRECTLY labeled product off the shelves.
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said by icex _ See Profile :

First he said he diden't know what it could be and put her on pain medicine.
I would have left right then and never returned to that vet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837849 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:16:45 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837798 B A : Yes this is true. Permethin is the synthetic version of Pyrethin.

And cats that live with dogs that are treated with the aforementioned products are at risk as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837798 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:08:39 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836485 DataDoc : Permethrin is toxic to cats and many cats die each year after being given flea treatments intended for dogs, or by contact with dogs who have recently been treated with Permethrin.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836485 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:48:05 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835734 B A : Have you used a store brand flea and tick preventative? Anything other than Frontline (and that one is in question too)? Has the pup been to the groomers?

The reason I ask is they will become very agitated and turn around real quickly to their rear end in discomfort, biting. They will whimper and whine. It effects the nerves in some dogs. Its one of the bad reactions you can get. The label gives no warnings concerning this either. You also may see general discomfort, pacing and air licking as well.

If you have, theres only a couple things you can do. Wash you dog in Dawn, twice. It has to be the namebrand. The repellent is based in oil and Dawn will strip whats left of it from the dogs coat and the sooner the better. Two give Benedryl, call your vet for the appropiate dosage for your pup, and time. Last...don't ever put it on the dog again. It can be fatal in dogs that react.

The ingrediant you will be looking for is Permethrin. The only product out there that doesn't contain it is Frontline.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835734 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:20:29 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835335 Hayward : Seems like a petty poor vet... you must have others around.
Asked other dog owners?

Other question would be what do you do for the dog routinely?... worms (especially heart) is something you should be treating the dog for regularly, as well as flea and tick.

My pref is REVOLUTION.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835335 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:40:32 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833819 icex _ : I think we're going to wait until Thursday and see. He's suppose to call us back and check on her. She hasent squilled in a bit, maybe its from her infection. Hopefully the medicine will clear it up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833819 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:56:42 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833761 caddyroger : Maybe you need to take him to another vet for a second opinion.
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What would signs of hookworms be in her stool?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833712 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:37:47 EDT Re: Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833680 jack b : Have her checked for hookworms, if you haven't already.
Vet will require a stool sample to test.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833680 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:31:06 EDT Dog Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20833473 icex _ : Hi all,

I've had my 4 month old female multi-pom to the vet twice now. She's just randomly squeeling and reaching to her butt trying to bite it. First he said he diden't know what it could be and put her on pain medicine. So we took her back today for the same thing and he kept her for a few hours and of course she never squeeled for them but he said her anal glands were swollen and they cleaned them. Just now she squeeled again badly. Should we wait a few days or take her to the vet again? Has anyone else had this problem?
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