Re: I don't get it! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20838038 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:44:02 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:44:02 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934026 batterup :
said by a333 See Profile :

Ummm, the telcos are LAWFULLY REGULATED MONOPOLIES.........

They WERE regulated and the people demanded deregulation. Ma Bell is dead and yet the people are not happy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20934026 Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:47:21 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20843793 a333 : Ummm, the telcos are LAWFULLY REGULATED MONOPOLIES that got their monopoly on the telco infrastructure by agreeing to certain rules. Now, it appears they aren't playing by some of those rules. This isn't about 3rd party ISP's leeching off of bell. You, the consumer, are the one who PAID for the outside plant/network, through your hard earned tax dollars. Therefore, you deserve protection by the government, namely FCC/CRTC, about issues like ISP's tapping into your browsing habits without your due compensation, or capping/throttling your connection without presenting appropriate proof that their network needs it.

"They don't understand that Net Neutrality is charging another company such as Search or video or IM extra to be "faster" on one company's network."
That's the exact opposite of what Net Neutrality IS, so plase elaborate on that thought]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20843793 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:53 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838835 MysticGogeta : If you don't like it don't visit the site. Theirs plenty of news websites out there that you can visit and troll on.
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"In the upcoming weeks watch for a report in Time Magazine that will attempt to smooth over the rough edges of a diabolical plot by Bell Canada and Telus, to begin charging per site fees on most Internet sites. The plan is to convert the Internet into a cable-like system, where customers sign up for specific web sites, and then pay to visit sites beyond a cutoff point.

From my browsing (on the currently free Internet) I have discovered that the 'demise' of the free Internet is slated for 2010 in Canada, and two years later around the world. Canada is seen a good choice to implement such shameful and sinister changes, since Canadians are viewed as being laissez fair, politically uninformed and an easy target. The corporate marauders will iron out the wrinkles in Canada and then spring the new, castrated version of the Internet on the rest of the world, probably with little fanfare, except for some dire warnings about the 'evil' of the Internet (free) and the CEO's spouting about 'safety and security'. These buzzwords usually work pretty well.

What will the Internet look like in Canada in 2010? I suspect that the ISP's will provide a "package" program as companies like Cogeco currently do. Customers will pay for a series of websites as they do now for their television stations. Television stations will be available on-line as part of these packages, which will make the networks happy since they have lost much of the younger market which are surfing and chatting on their computers in the evening. However, as is the case with cable television now, if you choose something that is not part of the package, you know what happens. You pay extra.

And this is where the Internet (free) as we know it will suffer almost immediate, economic strangulation. Thousands and thousands of Internet sites will not be part of the package so users will have to pay extra to visit those sites! In just an hour or two it is possible to easily visit 20-30 sites or more while looking for information. Just imagine how high these costs will be...

»www.informationclearinghouse.inf···0330.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838537 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:15:57 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838519 brad :
said by batterup See Profile :

Don't worry pay per bit is coming and then you can watch all the Google HD you want.
Then I'll move to another ISP that isn't gouging me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838519 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:12:38 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838490 hottboiinnc : my point is that when ever bad press hits Karl's beloved Google it never hits the news here. the emails get deleted in his inbox as his IMs. or they just "don't get delivered" for some reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838490 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:08:20 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838459 batterup :
said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

i know this. But it wouldnt be DSLR if it wasn't for the weekly articles on what Google things is right or what they have to say.

Especially when the story about Google being sued never hit the front page. Thanks Karl for censoring the news for us.
Google being sued is not news as it happens so ofter.
»www.informationweek.com/blog/mai···for.html
»www.techtree.com/India/News/Goog···643.html
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838459 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:04:26 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838406 hottboiinnc : i know this. But it wouldnt be DSLR if it wasn't for the weekly articles on what Google things is right or what they have to say.

Especially when the story about Google being sued never hit the front page. Thanks Karl for censoring the news for us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838406 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:56:09 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838293 KrK : Thanks!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838293 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:33:20 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838271 batterup :
said by KrK See Profile :

Notice to newbies to the forum. Batterup is a long time, fervent believer in Ma Bell. He believes it goes from God, to Ma Bell, to ... etc etc with you and I at the very bottom.
Notice KrK has not only his own opinions but his own facts. See;
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»Re: Agree 100%]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838271 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:29:44 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838257 verolom :
said by canesfan2001 See Profile :

It's as if I have long distance phone service and so do you, but if I want to be able to call you and have decent service I still have to pay your provider too.

HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!?!
You actually do pay my provider to call me. It's called access fees and it is what killed AT&T, MCI and Sprint LD.
It is what happens when you have phone companies rule the internet access.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838257 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:27:27 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838098 KrK : Notice to newbies to the forum. Batterup is a long time, fervent believer in Ma Bell. He believes it goes from God, to Ma Bell, to ... etc etc with you and I at the very bottom.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838098 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:00:33 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838085 KrK : I disagree. They pay for their consumption, so if I connect to say YouTube and watch a ton of videos that means Google has to pay their providers for the bandwidth I consumed.

Which is part of the reason charge by the byte is a pure rip-off for consumers. They want to follow the Cell phone model--- make people pay for both MAKING the call and RECEIVING the call---- IE pay twice. Hell if Net Neutrality fails that could become paying THREE, FOUR, or even more times.
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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :



They don't understand that Net Neutrality is charging another company such as Search or video or IM extra to be "faster" on one company's network.

Net Neutrality is different things to different leeches. When a law is passed to let all bits and bytes through the same we will pay per bit just like we pay per kilowatt.

Google had the chance to put up and buy the 700 Mhz spectrum and then open it up the leeches and they didn't do it. Put up or shut up, they didn't put up so shut up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838038 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:49:06 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837943 hottboiinnc : it doesnt. People on here and Google like to cry Net Neutrality when its not a such thing.

They don't understand that Net Neutrality is charging another company such as Search or video or IM extra to be "faster" on one company's network.

But as stated here many times it is not a problem the US faces. Canada does not face this either. They just face Bell getting tired of letting others use the network they manage each and every day at a price instead of others building out a WISP that could be huge by now but nobody wanted to do it up there really; except the people here on the WISP board.

But there will be a day that we have caps the same as they do and most other countries, a day where we do not have resellers on the Bell or Cable Networks, and if any companies want to still play they'll need to build out their own network or be forced to explain to their customers and their employees that they decide to take things the easy way and use all they could from the Bells and Cable Cos (TWC areas) and that they can not offer services and everyone must be laid off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837943 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:32:30 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837838 batterup : Don't worry pay per bit is coming and then you can watch all the Google HD you want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837838 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:15:24 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837385 KoolMoe : I disagree. I think there is very little actual competition in most markets, and what there seems to be decently addressed with speed increases (why would they want to lower speeds?). Their model works fine as they continue to over-subscribe their connections anyway.

This is all just looking to make more profit, which is fine, but their attempted reasoning is fallacious.
KM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837385 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:48:41 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837078 DavePR : AT&T is a Baby Bell; Southwestern Bell aka SBC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20837078 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:50:16 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836271 MysticGogeta : Cause they want to get a buck anyway they can. Frivolous lawsuits are the number one fundraisers in corporations. It would be funny if they cut access to Google to see how the subscribers to the ISP react. I actually kinda wish they would so people would drop them and push back.
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The problem is that the existing competition makes significantly raising prices or lowering speeds to what can be offered more realistically very difficult, which is what competition is supposed to do. They therefore looked at the website owners as easier targets, as well as things like caps, where they can still advertise higher speeds but make sure the people aren't using them too much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836209 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:56:49 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836132 ElJay : It's typical in big and old companies like AT&T and the Bells. These companies think they walk on water and THEY will tell the people what they want. If these companies don't wise up then they'll lose customers to something better.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836132 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:41:20 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836010 Dogfather : Guess you didn't get the memo...they're the new Bridge Troll.

But unfortunately for them, Google is the third Billy Goat.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20836010 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:18:53 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835948 morbo : greed and entitlement issues by telcos, mostly. although they will claim it is every other excuse imaginable...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835948 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:05:16 EDT Re: I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835877 Dogfather : Because the ISP expects you and Google to pay 2 and 3 times over to deliver the same data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835877 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:48:20 EDT I don't get it! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20835831 canesfan2001 : Why is network neutrality even still up for debate? Google pays for it's connection to the internet. I pay for mine. Why should they have to pay my provider to communicate with me?

It's as if I have long distance phone service and so do you, but if I want to be able to call you and have decent service I still have to pay your provider too.

HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?!?!
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