tinfoil hat
@videotron.ca
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Re: CAIPS new Filing: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
I still say these DPI boxes have all the look of the defunct MITA Act.
»www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/h···id=38130
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"CAIP said the legislation, if passed, will stifle innovation by requiring all new technologies to be access-capable in order to be rolled out. It also does not address the issue of operational costs for telecom service providers (TSPs). Further, it will require TSPs to be capable of conducting large volumes of simultaneous intercepts without confirming that such high volumes would ever be necessary."
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See when this first hit, they said all wholesale ISP's who have under 100K users, the entity who would be the watch-dog would be the main supplier (ie Bell).
If over 100k users, then it falls on the wholesale ISP to be able to do what MITA asks for.
These boxes provide the very means of what was asked for by the MITA act on everything riding the network.
I just find it a funny coincidence, nothing more.... But makes you go hmmmmmm.... |
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ohhowsilly
@cia.com
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Perhaps we will see everyone's dream come true:
Teacher's will spin off the access network into a privately held (Lots of suitors in investment funds) company (AN Inc.) that only owns copper loops, dslams and a few other sundry things. The rest of Bell will become a super-spanning corporate entity still owning a triple-play via mobility & ExVu (both mostly forborne), and owning the major optical transport, of which new private AN Inc. will be a client (for backhaul) at the same time as Bell Retail/Mobility/ExVu/Nexxia/Etc. is a client of their regulated copper loops, DMS switches and dslams, which run off Retail Co.'s fiber.
Hahahaha! Won't that be fun! Bell will shed the crappiest part of its assets (in that it is regulated and causing this sh*t storm and is kind of crappy and capital/OPEX intensive). And Bell Retail Co. be forborne from regulation!
Seriously, look at some of the bad stuff in the UK. Bt Openreach and Wholesale are shit. Telstra is shit.
Other telcos do throttle: »biz.yahoo.com/iw/080129/0354254.html Even South Korea's Hanaro throttles its VDSL. So do many academic institutions. Does Dr. Geist's University of Ottawa limits P2P use in residence... for shame if it does. |
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BellVictim
Premium
join:2006-04-17
| reply to Maynard G Krebs
said by Maynard G Krebs :
Pool some money together for some late evening TV ads...
Heh, I contemplated a few days ago trying to entice some Ryerson students into doing up something that could be posted to YouTube.
Scene 1: Person writes a letter, drops it into a mail box, employee at postal sorting station opens it & reads it. Cops bust the employee and give him the perp walk.
Scene 2: Person writes an e-mail and sends it (shot of person's monitor typing/sending e-mail). Next frame his e-mail pops up and is read on a monitor in a location clearly identified as Bell Network Operation Centre.
Voice over: "It's illegal to read other peoples mail. Why does Bell think it can get away with it? Call your MP and local Crown prosecutor and ask."
Yeah, I had a similar sort of thinking...
Start with showing how someone addresses a postal envelope, seals it and sends it out ... and how the postal system respects the sanctity of the contents.
Then show how a BitTorrent packet is assembled...
- the BitTorrent request comprises the TCP data (or payload)
- the port numbers of the communication are put into the TCP header
- this complete TCP packet comprises an IP packet's payload, which is added to the IP header and further assembled...
- etc
- all the way up to the ethernet frame that goes out one's router
But have the peeps in the video actually placing envelopes into envelopes.
Then have some character representing Bell show how Bell opens up envelopes within envelopes within envelopes within envelopes to get at the BitTorrent information ... and how this amounts to the same as the postal service opening up people's envelopes to read their private mail because the extent of the examination by the carrier is in excess of the minimum required to actually route the communications.
I was hoping that coupling Ryerson's strong technology contingent with their well-known Image Arts/New Media departments to come up with a YouTube video/statement that could perhaps be technically perfect in its demonstration of the IT principles involved and yet appealing to Joe & Jane Sixpack (viewers) by being well-produced, executed and 'acted'. In the end hopefully this would increase exposure of the issue of Bell's snooping on packets, and could also draw positive attention for the students involved and even Ryerson proper (better than being in the news for busting Facebook study groups 
What we'd first need is a Ryerson-centered anti-throttling group - "Ryerson Students Against Internet Brownouts" or somesuch.
(Maynard rocks) |
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but but
@videotron.ca | reply to globus999
were these "several" ISP's part of the CAIP fight?
you have to remember some of them support the throttle and want it. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to oh LOOK
said by oh LOOK :
Personally, I think (which I do at times)...
with the amount of attention CAIP gained over the summer I am surprised I have not seen something like this on the ISP's web sites:
"Proud Memebr of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers" with a CAIP logo.
This type of marketing (and its only a line with a logo) will differentiate the "TALKERS" from the "DO'ers".
I have personally corresponded with several ISPs to "entice" them to do something like that. Result? NOPE, NADA.
Basically, they are chikens!
Friggin B*STARDS! |
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
| reply to oh LOOK
I too read the whole submission. I thought it was well done. One point they only trivially touched on was that Bell transmits PPPoE packets and that nothing inside that packet is required for them to carry out that task in accordance with the GAS Tarriff. Everything else Bell has done to throttle digs into that PPPoE packet, completely unnecessarily.
With all the good stuff CAIP said in this final submission, which blows all of Bells arguments away, I hope the CRTC will do what's right. Now we have to wait a couple of months to find out. |
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j3richo
join:2007-12-08
Gatineau, QC
 ·Acanac
 ·Videotron
| reply to oh LOOK
I just read the entire submission and I have to say that it was fantastic, they didn't waste a single page. The entire submission was filled with real substance, top to bottom. They hit back in every way, and left out very little arguments. This is in stark contract to Bell's submission which was
1/3 copy pasted from their previous submissions
1/3 irrelevant ramblings about the exponential growth of the internet which has nothing to do with this current case
1/3 consisting of arguments with the form of "we deny this claim, therefore we have proved it is false" |
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oh and
@videotron.ca
| reply to R0CKY
*Think on*
heh (can't help myself) do you think you should add that you and Marc are the recipient of the Bell business of the year award?
(or was it entrepreneurs of the year award? I forget now)
Its kinda like the last kick in the pants type thing 
*Think off*
(For those who don't know Rocky and Marc won an award from bell Canada for Business of the year not too long ago. Think it was just before the throttle.) |
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looks good
@videotron.ca | reply to R0CKY
It looks nice. |
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distr0
join:2007-05-03
St George Brant, ON | reply to R0CKY
nice, but you broke the background  |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to erm ummm
Done!  |
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erm ummm
@videotron.ca | reply to R0CKY
LOL Nooooo wasn't aimed at you.
hello... hello... am I being dos'd?? |
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of course
@videotron.ca | reply to oh LOOK
*Think on*
of course CAIP could charge a nominal fee to sport the logo, like 100$ and available to only members in good standing type thing.
*Think off* |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to oh LOOK
OOOOOOOOHhhhhhhh.... call us out on the CAIP thing huh!
LOL... Gimme 5 mins!
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TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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oh LOOK
@videotron.ca
| reply to R0CKY
Personally, I think (which I do at times)...
with the amount of attention CAIP gained over the summer I am surprised I have not seen something like this on the ISP's web sites:
"Proud Memebr of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers" with a CAIP logo.
This type of marketing (and its only a line with a logo) will differentiate the "TALKERS" from the "DO'ers".
I know of a few non CAIP members who were talkingers when this started, but not DO'ers.
Who else thinks Teksavvy's website should sport a CAIP logo and the one-liner?
To me, especially after this summers events, this means something.
Of course out of the 50-something CAIP members some were for the throttle... but those ISP's can be ratted on later.
/me goes back into non-thinking mode.
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ragingwolf
join:2003-04-22
Nepean, ON
| reply to oh LOOK
quote:
Concerned by this turn of events, Bell’s GAS customers met with Bell on 23 November 2007 and asked Bell directly whether it intended to use DPI on its wholesale ADSL access services. The Bell representatives present at the meeting stated that Bell would only use the technology in conjunction with its retail Sympatico high speed internet service.
Interesting indeed... I think its pretty clear bell has had zero intention whatsoever of letting other isp's know anything about the dpi boxes :/ |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to R0CKY
quote:
CAIP regrets that it was unable to file its Reply on 22 July 2008 because it was unable to
access the Commission’s website over a period of approximately 24 hours from Sunday, 20 July
2008 to Monday, 21 July 2008. CAIP understands that this may have been due to a power
outage at the Commission. CAIP sincerely apologises for any inconvenience that this may
cause.
They were probably ... traffic shaped. :-P |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to on site
I liked this submission! |
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on site
@videotron.ca
| reply to oh LOOK
CAIPs submission is now on the CRTC web site:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2008/···5153.htm
This has got to be a record for the CRTC putting this up so fast. |
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yuppers
@videotron.ca | reply to Maynard G Krebs
Thats something CIPPIC should get involve with as well.
Part of an education program |
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