shaggy_anon
@on.ca
| reply to R0CKY
Re: CAIPS new Filing: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
I did just that. I had a ten minute technical prestentation to do with my college communications class.
20 or so people that are more aware now then they were.
If I wasnt talking out my ass so much I would have had them all enlist against the man  |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to oh LOOK
Havent read the actual submission yet but based off what I have read here so far and the CBC article it sounds like it has ferocious bite to it.
Good work CAIP, lets all hope that CRTC can truly see what is going on here and make a favourable ruling |
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oh LOOK
@videotron.ca
| reply to oh LOOK
Re: CAIPS new Filing: Is it Final? Really?
Full article @ »www.p2pnet.net/story/16490
The CBC has picked up on the latest, and final, CAIP submission to the CRTC over the Bell Canada traffing throttling scandal.
Bell implies P2P is the, “motive force behind a wave of ‘bandwidth hungry’ applications that will soon overwhelm global networks in the absence of aggressive measures taken against it,” says the submission.
“It also states that all P2P data transfers should be considered the postal equivalent of ‘bulk’ or ‘lower urgency’ mail, and that such transfers are never ‘time-sensitive’ to the same extent as web browsing and other applications.”
“In its submission on Wednesday, CAIP said Bell’s defence for throttling - that the company is only slowing P2P downloads, which still get to the user “eventually” - is discriminatory and anti-competitive.”
Ontario-based ISP TekSavvy was among the first, if not the first, to protest Bell’s attempt to shackle its users and impose a block on net neutrality.
“If you believe in what CAIP believes in now’s the time to educate the world,” says CEO Rocky Gaudrault (right) on dslrports, adding »»»
The old way of doing business, where ethics and profits are at odds, must cease to exist! Being fair, truthful and transparent is the only way to go going forward!
Tell your friends and family so that this case be used as an example of a serious need to rewrite how things are run.
We, the clients, in the end have the power and if the decision-makers and politicians, elected by these same clients, are told unanimously that corporate bullying must stop, then backdoor lobbying and spin tactics won’t matter anymore.
Change will come ……..
continued @ above URL... |
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Maynard G Krebs
@teksavvy.com
| reply to R0CKY
Re: CAIPS new Filing: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
said by R0CKY  :The CRTC will render their verdict by September if things hold to their previous time-frame. In the meantime two things............. 1 - We're not quite done just yet!  2 - If you believe in what CAIP believes in now's the time to educate the world. The old way of doing business, where ethics and profits are at odds, must cease to exist! Being fair, truthful and transparent is the only way to go going forward! Tell your friends and family so that this case be used as an example of a serious need to rewrite how things are run... We, the clients, in the end have the power and if the decision-makers and politicians, elected by these same clients, are told unanimously that corporate bullying must stop, then backdoor lobbying and spin tactics won't matter anymore. Change will come.... Pool some money together for some late evening TV ads...
Scene 1: Person writes a letter, drops it into a mail box, employee at postal sorting station opens it & reads it. Cops bust the employee and give him the perp walk.
Scene 2: Person writes an e-mail and sends it (shot of person's monitor typing/sending e-mail). Next frame his e-mail pops up and is read on a monitor in a location clearly identified as Bell Network Operation Centre.
Voice over: "It's illegal to read other peoples mail. Why does Bell think it can get away with it? Call your MP and local Crown prosecutor and ask." |
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yuppers
@videotron.ca | Thats something CIPPIC should get involve with as well.
Part of an education program |
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on site
@videotron.ca
| reply to oh LOOK
CAIPs submission is now on the CRTC web site:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/eng/2008/···5153.htm
This has got to be a record for the CRTC putting this up so fast. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | I liked this submission! |
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Arbalister
join:2007-11-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| quote:
CAIP regrets that it was unable to file its Reply on 22 July 2008 because it was unable to
access the Commission’s website over a period of approximately 24 hours from Sunday, 20 July
2008 to Monday, 21 July 2008. CAIP understands that this may have been due to a power
outage at the Commission. CAIP sincerely apologises for any inconvenience that this may
cause.
They were probably ... traffic shaped. :-P |
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ragingwolf
join:2003-04-22
Nepean, ON
| reply to oh LOOK
quote:
Concerned by this turn of events, Bell’s GAS customers met with Bell on 23 November 2007 and asked Bell directly whether it intended to use DPI on its wholesale ADSL access services. The Bell representatives present at the meeting stated that Bell would only use the technology in conjunction with its retail Sympatico high speed internet service.
Interesting indeed... I think its pretty clear bell has had zero intention whatsoever of letting other isp's know anything about the dpi boxes :/ |
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oh LOOK
@videotron.ca
| reply to R0CKY
Personally, I think (which I do at times)...
with the amount of attention CAIP gained over the summer I am surprised I have not seen something like this on the ISP's web sites:
"Proud Memebr of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers" with a CAIP logo.
This type of marketing (and its only a line with a logo) will differentiate the "TALKERS" from the "DO'ers".
I know of a few non CAIP members who were talkingers when this started, but not DO'ers.
Who else thinks Teksavvy's website should sport a CAIP logo and the one-liner?
To me, especially after this summers events, this means something.
Of course out of the 50-something CAIP members some were for the throttle... but those ISP's can be ratted on later.
/me goes back into non-thinking mode.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | OOOOOOOOHhhhhhhh.... call us out on the CAIP thing huh! 
LOL... Gimme 5 mins!
--
TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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of course
@videotron.ca | reply to oh LOOK
*Think on*
of course CAIP could charge a nominal fee to sport the logo, like 100$ and available to only members in good standing type thing.
*Think off* |
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erm ummm
@videotron.ca | reply to R0CKY
LOL Nooooo wasn't aimed at you.
hello... hello... am I being dos'd?? |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Done! |
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distr0
join:2007-05-03
St George Brant, ON | nice, but you broke the background  |
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looks good
@videotron.ca | reply to R0CKY
It looks nice. |
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oh and
@videotron.ca
| reply to R0CKY
*Think on*
heh (can't help myself) do you think you should add that you and Marc are the recipient of the Bell business of the year award?
(or was it entrepreneurs of the year award? I forget now)
Its kinda like the last kick in the pants type thing
*Think off*
(For those who don't know Rocky and Marc won an award from bell Canada for Business of the year not too long ago. Think it was just before the throttle.) |
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j3richo
join:2007-12-08
Gatineau, QC
·Acanac
·Videotron
| reply to oh LOOK
I just read the entire submission and I have to say that it was fantastic, they didn't waste a single page. The entire submission was filled with real substance, top to bottom. They hit back in every way, and left out very little arguments. This is in stark contract to Bell's submission which was
1/3 copy pasted from their previous submissions
1/3 irrelevant ramblings about the exponential growth of the internet which has nothing to do with this current case
1/3 consisting of arguments with the form of "we deny this claim, therefore we have proved it is false" |
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
| reply to oh LOOK
I too read the whole submission. I thought it was well done. One point they only trivially touched on was that Bell transmits PPPoE packets and that nothing inside that packet is required for them to carry out that task in accordance with the GAS Tarriff. Everything else Bell has done to throttle digs into that PPPoE packet, completely unnecessarily.
With all the good stuff CAIP said in this final submission, which blows all of Bells arguments away, I hope the CRTC will do what's right. Now we have to wait a couple of months to find out. |
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globus999
join:2008-05-15
| reply to oh LOOK
said by oh LOOK :
Personally, I think (which I do at times)...
with the amount of attention CAIP gained over the summer I am surprised I have not seen something like this on the ISP's web sites:
"Proud Memebr of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers" with a CAIP logo.
This type of marketing (and its only a line with a logo) will differentiate the "TALKERS" from the "DO'ers".
I have personally corresponded with several ISPs to "entice" them to do something like that. Result? NOPE, NADA.
Basically, they are chikens!
Friggin B*STARDS! |
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