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@videotron.ca | reply to globus999
Re: CAIPS new Filing: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
were these "several" ISP's part of the CAIP fight?
you have to remember some of them support the throttle and want it. | |
BellVictim
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| reply to Maynard G Krebs
said by Maynard G Krebs :
Pool some money together for some late evening TV ads...
Heh, I contemplated a few days ago trying to entice some Ryerson students into doing up something that could be posted to YouTube.
Scene 1: Person writes a letter, drops it into a mail box, employee at postal sorting station opens it & reads it. Cops bust the employee and give him the perp walk.
Scene 2: Person writes an e-mail and sends it (shot of person's monitor typing/sending e-mail). Next frame his e-mail pops up and is read on a monitor in a location clearly identified as Bell Network Operation Centre.
Voice over: "It's illegal to read other peoples mail. Why does Bell think it can get away with it? Call your MP and local Crown prosecutor and ask."
Yeah, I had a similar sort of thinking...
Start with showing how someone addresses a postal envelope, seals it and sends it out ... and how the postal system respects the sanctity of the contents.
Then show how a BitTorrent packet is assembled...
- the BitTorrent request comprises the TCP data (or payload)
- the port numbers of the communication are put into the TCP header
- this complete TCP packet comprises an IP packet's payload, which is added to the IP header and further assembled...
- etc
- all the way up to the ethernet frame that goes out one's router
But have the peeps in the video actually placing envelopes into envelopes.
Then have some character representing Bell show how Bell opens up envelopes within envelopes within envelopes within envelopes to get at the BitTorrent information ... and how this amounts to the same as the postal service opening up people's envelopes to read their private mail because the extent of the examination by the carrier is in excess of the minimum required to actually route the communications.
I was hoping that coupling Ryerson's strong technology contingent with their well-known Image Arts/New Media departments to come up with a YouTube video/statement that could perhaps be technically perfect in its demonstration of the IT principles involved and yet appealing to Joe & Jane Sixpack (viewers) by being well-produced, executed and 'acted'. In the end hopefully this would increase exposure of the issue of Bell's snooping on packets, and could also draw positive attention for the students involved and even Ryerson proper (better than being in the news for busting Facebook study groups 
What we'd first need is a Ryerson-centered anti-throttling group - "Ryerson Students Against Internet Brownouts" or somesuch.
(Maynard rocks) | |
ohhowsilly
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| reply to oh LOOK
Perhaps we will see everyone's dream come true:
Teacher's will spin off the access network into a privately held (Lots of suitors in investment funds) company (AN Inc.) that only owns copper loops, dslams and a few other sundry things. The rest of Bell will become a super-spanning corporate entity still owning a triple-play via mobility & ExVu (both mostly forborne), and owning the major optical transport, of which new private AN Inc. will be a client (for backhaul) at the same time as Bell Retail/Mobility/ExVu/Nexxia/Etc. is a client of their regulated copper loops, DMS switches and dslams, which run off Retail Co.'s fiber.
Hahahaha! Won't that be fun! Bell will shed the crappiest part of its assets (in that it is regulated and causing this sh*t storm and is kind of crappy and capital/OPEX intensive). And Bell Retail Co. be forborne from regulation!
Seriously, look at some of the bad stuff in the UK. Bt Openreach and Wholesale are shit. Telstra is shit.
Other telcos do throttle: »biz.yahoo.com/iw/080129/0354254.html Even South Korea's Hanaro throttles its VDSL. So do many academic institutions. Does Dr. Geist's University of Ottawa limits P2P use in residence... for shame if it does. | |
tinfoil hat
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| reply to oh LOOK
I still say these DPI boxes have all the look of the defunct MITA Act.
»www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/h···id=38130
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"CAIP said the legislation, if passed, will stifle innovation by requiring all new technologies to be access-capable in order to be rolled out. It also does not address the issue of operational costs for telecom service providers (TSPs). Further, it will require TSPs to be capable of conducting large volumes of simultaneous intercepts without confirming that such high volumes would ever be necessary."
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See when this first hit, they said all wholesale ISP's who have under 100K users, the entity who would be the watch-dog would be the main supplier (ie Bell).
If over 100k users, then it falls on the wholesale ISP to be able to do what MITA asks for.
These boxes provide the very means of what was asked for by the MITA act on everything riding the network.
I just find it a funny coincidence, nothing more.... But makes you go hmmmmmm.... | |
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