root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON | reply to travisc
Re: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
It's obvious to most ppl ... i'm sorry u don't get it.
Local church group kids watched them and understood, why not u?
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chronoss2008
Premium
join:2008-03-29
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to oh LOOK
"Hacking is generally considered a bad or illegal activity. But in fact, it's just a term for getting a system to do something it wasn't designed to do as is. Technically, using a paperclip to open a locked CD rom drive, rather than the designated tool, is a hack. Hotwiring a vehicle is a hack. Whether it's your own car or not."
Excuse me sir there are actually 2 definations to the word or phrase hacker
In fact the corporate community came up with a fancy pancy term for it/network security penetration consultant
NOW as that term implies its about security right. The ability to use your system or someone elses with permission to break TPM's and DRM and (crack) if you will. It also applies to the creation of said tools to automate and generally enhance such things, NOTE I LOVE THE NEW BILL c-6 as it makes it into law that hacker tools are legal....
creating them is ok , using them and even distribution of them is ok. NOW if you break other laws using them you might have issues however not my prob.
Then the phrase enthusiast comes to mind like golf hacks and such aka computer enthusiast.
Of the twelve definations there is one one malicious one.
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
1 edit | reply to root9
Ok now that you have sufficiently ticked me off to the point that now I care to put you into a hole and bury you I am going to do so.
Here is a small piece of PIPEDA:
SCHEDULE 1
(Section 5)
PRINCIPLES SET OUT IN THE NATIONAL STANDARD OF CANADA ENTITLED MODEL CODE FOR THE PROTECTION OF PERSONAL INFORMATION, CAN/CSA-Q830-96
4.1.4 - Organizations shall implement policies and practices to give effect to the principles, including
(a) implementing procedures to protect personal information;
(b) establishing procedures to receive and respond to complaints and inquiries;
(c) training staff and communicating to staff information about the organization’s policies and practices; and
(d) developing information to explain the organization’s policies and procedures.
This is only the start to it, but I am sure that you can see already that Deadpool has done exactly what is required to be done by him according to the law and company policy |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to root9
And another little piece of from PIPEDA:
Written request
8. (1) A request under clause 4.9 of Schedule 1 must be made in writing.
So all your ranting about Bell and how they have denied your request etc. is all a pile of BS being that you FAILED to submit your request properly. |
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drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to chronoss2008
Since I'm the one that stated that I'm going to re-state it in a way that is clearer to you:
Hacking is generally considered a bad or illegal activity."
Considered as opposed to defined. Most people hear the word, and associate it with illegal activities. But by definition it isn't necessarily malicious.
However, even in a technology aware community, I've often seen "hacked in to the mainframe". When in fact they meant "cracked" the password or in any case simply broke in, and use the word "hack" to euphemize.
So if there was a connotation of illicit behaviour in my aforementioned definition, it was incorrectly perceived by you as a distinguishing characteristic.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to root9
said by root9  :It's obvious to most ppl ... i'm sorry u don't get it. Local church group kids watched them and understood, why not u? You are sharing your paranoia with local church group children? 
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marcbase
join:2008-07-31
j3y-8v5 | reply to oh LOOK
LAWL, i was thinking the same lol |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
| reply to Robrr
Very good  ... I have a habit of pissin' PPL off in this forum  only when I see abuse or lies.
I'm doing this for every user's benefit, not just mine or yours.
You are absolutely correct in stating this part of Law! Keep reading and learning
Now:
1, deadpool was given request in writing right in this public forum, as is the purpose of the law.
2, he was given reference as to who I am.
3, he was told to contact the appropriate department in his company since I wanted to make this request as everyone can see that I'm making it.
4, as a project manager at Bell deadpool is responsible for what he says in these forums!
5, deadpool or any Bell employee is responsible for what he/they say in these forums as an employee of Bell.
6, I will go as far as stating deadpool has overstepped his bounds by posting misleading, incorrect, not full information [considered a white lie], or outright incorrect information even though it might only be his opinion.
7, He does not state which is his opinion and which is fact, again misleading the public.
8, he has taken over questions posted to other Bell employees/representatives. This means he has taken responsibility!
9, when confronted with requests/demands he ran for shelter making excuses as to why he can't fulfill requests or provide facts, as is his habit [readily available in these forums], yet he's very good at starting trouble in these forums and or knocking PPL down for their opinions. This part also goes for a number of other employees of large corporations that frequent here.
Do you/everyone understand now?
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| said by root9 :Very good ... I have a habit of pissin' PPL off in this forum only when I see abuse or lies. I'm doing this for every user's benefit, not just mine or yours. You are absolutely correct in stating this part of Law! Keep reading and learning Most of your facts are questionable. Also the law stating in writing applies to the appropriate party, NOT Deadpool. He does not deal with privacy issues and it is out of his control. He is not obligated to handle your request.
Good luck with your lawsuit though, you'll need it. |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
| reply to DKS
Hmmm , and who are you to say what church leaders or parents or general public should teach their kids?
Should we all learn from people that are representatives of large corporations who would do everyone harm?
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marcbase
join:2008-07-31
j3y-8v5
| I think life is learning by experience and not from paranoia from other people.
The law states that the request has to be in writing, and not in hand writing. Plus nothing stop Deadpool to forward the request to the appropriate party.
i am pretty sure that i can go in a Bell store and ask for information and tell them to forward my request to the appropriate party and they have to do it... |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
1 edit | reply to root9
said by root9 :Very good You are absolutely correct in stating this part of Law! Keep reading and learning Now: 1, deadpool was given request in writing right in this public forum, as is the purpose of the law. 2, he was given reference as to who I am. 3, he was told to contact the appropriate department in his company since I wanted to make this request as everyone can see that I'm making it. 4, as a project manager at Bell deadpool is responsible for what he says in these forums! 5, deadpool or any Bell employee is responsible for what he/they say in these forums as an employee of Bell. 6, I will go as far as stating deadpool has overstepped his bounds by posting misleading, incorrect, not full information [considered a white lie], or outright incorrect information even though it might only be his opinion. 7, He does not state which is his opinion and which is fact, again misleading the public. 8, he has taken over questions posted to other Bell employees/representatives. This means he has taken responsibility! 9, when confronted with requests/demands he ran for shelter making excuses as to why he can't fulfill requests or provide facts, as is his habit [readily available in these forums], yet he's very good at starting trouble in these forums and or knocking PPL down for their opinions. This part also goes for a number of other employees of large corporations that frequent here. Do you/everyone understand now? Lets see how much of this I can tear apart here:
1. "deadpool was given request in writing right in this public forum, as is the purpose of the law."
Is Deadpool the correct person to contact with regards to privacy concerns, NO!!!!. Refer to 4.1.4 (b) and (c). You did not follow procedure whereas Deadpool has.
2, "he was given reference as to who I am."
Doesn't mean squat, he does not have the ability to authenticate who you are nor is it his responsibility to do so in this matter. He is not the privacy ombudsman, he is a technician. Once again he has publicly in this forum told you where to go to have your privacy concerns dealt with.
3, "he was told to contact the appropriate department in his company since I wanted to make this request as everyone can see that I'm making it."
Refer to the comment above I am not wasting my time typing it again.
4, "as a project manager at Bell deadpool is responsible for what he says in these forums!"
Maybe Deadpool will be willing to confirm the project manager part, not sure with regards to this but alas it doesn't matter. Yes Deadpool is responsible for what he says in this forum and does a very good job of being responsible. If you took the time to notice he hasn't said anything in the last while because he is responsible and does not want to get in trouble because of some person jumping up and down like a 2 year old because they can't have it their way!
5, "deadpool or any Bell employee is responsible for what he/they say in these forums as an employee of Bell."
Refer to last comment.
6, "I will go as far as stating deadpool has overstepped his bounds by posting misleading, incorrect, not full information [considered a white lie], or outright incorrect information even though it might only be his opinion."
Proof please. I have yet to see this myself. Mind you it will be like the whole bringing the facts to back up what your argument which as of now you have FAILED to do.
7, "He does not state which is his opinion and which is fact, again misleading the public."
Guess you didn't read the disclaimer at the bottom of his post. Mind you I suggest you start following your own.
8, "he has taken over questions posted to other Bell employees/representatives. This means he has taken responsibility!"
Whats wrong with helping out a fellow employee to get their job done. Do you know if a specific rep is available at a specific time. As far as I am aware this is something they do on their own time to try and help out customers.
9, when confronted with requests/demands he ran for shelter making excuses as to why he can't fulfill requests or provide facts, as is his habit [readily available in these forums], yet he's very good at starting trouble in these forums and or knocking PPL down for their opinions. This part also goes for a number of other employees of large corporations that frequent here.
This relates back to the responsibility thing earlier. I have read enough posts that Deadpool has posted to know that he has his opinions about everything just like every other perso. However as a result of his employment with Bell he has to be careful as to what he says because of people like you who will cry wolf over every little thing he says.
So have you caught on yet... I have absolutely no intent to continue to sit here and watch you spew off at the mouth without a single shred of proof or fact to back it up. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING PRODUCTIVE TO SAY WITH FACTS AND LAWS TO BACK IT UP THEN STFU
Oh and just incase you have caught on here is the info you need, I am going to post it here openly so you don't even have to follow a link to get it
Can I obtain access to my personal information held by the Bell Companies?
As a customer, you have the right to request a copy of the personal information that the Bell Companies have collected about you. Such requests must be made in writing to the Bell Privacy Ombudsman at:
The Office of the Bell Privacy Ombudsman
110 O’Connor St.
7th floor
Ottawa, Ontario
K1P 1H1
or by email to privacy@bell.ca
Please note that your right to access personal information is not unlimited. In particular, your right to access is limited to your “personal information” which is defined as information about an identifiable individual. Should you request access to your personal information and the documents requested also contain non-personal information which does not pertain to you, that information will be omitted from the original document. Such non-personal information may include the Company’s internal practices, policies, organizational structure or network architecture and operations, or personal information concerning a third party such as employee numbers. - From the bell.ca website |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to marcbase
said by marcbase :I think life is learning by experience and not from paranoia from other people. The law states that the request has to be in writing, and not in hand writing. Plus nothing stop Deadpool to forward the request to the appropriate party. i am pretty sure that i can go in a Bell store and ask for information and tell them to forward my request to the appropriate party and they have to do it... Correct, the request has to be in writing.
What you and root9/tudmax seem to be (purposely) ignoring is the fact that the request has to come from the individual directly to the Privacy Ombudsman.
As it's been already stated, I have no way of confirming the information he PM'd me (which was just a TN by the way - no name, no address, no payment info - nothing that only Bell would know and confirm that it's in fact this person).
In addition, no contact info was provided. A written response can't be phoned in to the individual!
And I've already confirmed that I am NOT the Privacy Ombudsman.
If you go to a Bell store and make a similar request, they'll ask you to follow the process outlined in the URL I already provided. Especially if it's a franchise store and not a corporate store.
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
1 edit | reply to marcbase
My point Exactly, thank you.
You know it's really surprising that any other business anyone can walk into [hydro1, wal-mart, sears, any bank etc.] a person can walk into with witness/es in tow, video on hand yet and get proper service but Bell seems to be the exception.
Hmm, what's wrong with this picture?
Don't take my word for it, Check for your selves. |
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Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Deadpool
said by Deadpool :1. Correct, the request has to be in writing. 2. What you and root9/tudmax seem to be (purposely) ignoring is the fact that the request has to come from the individual directly to the Privacy Ombudsman. 3. As it's been already stated, I have no way of confirming the information he PM'd me (which was just a TN by the way - no name, no address, no payment info - nothing that only Bell would know and confirm that it's in fact this person). 4. In addition, no contact info was provided. A written response can't be phoned in to the individual! 5. If you go to a Bell store and make a similar request, they'll ask you to follow the process outlined in the URL I already provided. Especially if it's a franchise store and not a corporate store. As someone whose been through the ropes in this with Bell and the Privacy commissioner, allow me to make some minor corrections.
1 & 2a. The request DOES NOT have to be in writing. Matter of fact Bell will give you the option to ask for your info over phone or informally via Email.
1 & 2b. IF you plan on following up with the privacy commissioner of Canada, then yes, the request MUST be made in writing and given to Bell. If it is not in writing, the Priv Commiss will not follow up on any deviation from the act.
1 & 2c. Given the option, Bell prefers the non-formal method (ie via phone) due to the obvious, and the Bell Executives associates have been lectured by the Bell ombudsman/privacy contact to use informal methods. As was told to me by the Bell executive associate and confirmed again to me via writing.
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3a. A forum is not a medium in which deadpool can do anything. Matter of fact as he points out he has a right to protect someone identity because identity can not be confirmed in this forum.
3b. Maybe he's not acting on behalf of Bell when he writes here, so he is under no obligation to do F all.
3c. If he is acting on behalf of Bell in this forum, the proper thing for him to do is direct you to how to contact Bell's privacy contact.
4. Doesn't have to be written. Unless he wished the privacy commissioner to follow up, then in which case it must be written.
Also note, if it is not in writing, then Bell does not have to comply to the strict standards such as giving you the said info within 30-days. When not in writing they can jerk you around.
5. that would be the proper procedure. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada | I considered 'email' as a written request. I should have clarified that point.
Thanks! |
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Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Deadpool :I considered 'email' as a written request. I should have clarified that point. Thanks! I went that route at first. Priv commiss adviced that it be signed and mailed with the person keeping the original. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to root9
said by root9 :Hmmm , and who are you to say what church leaders or parents or general public should teach their kids? I am a senior church leader. So, yes, it's my job. 
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drjp81
join:2006-01-09
canada
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marcbase
join:2008-07-31
j3y-8v5
| reply to oh LOOK
No deadpool hasnt said anything misleading in this forum at any point in time.
Another thing, i have the chance to have two parents working in the government and yes, if i go in a bell store, and i refer to the right of freedom of information and i tell them to forward my WRITTEN demand, they have to do it. Its an obligation by law and in any contract of such companies. You wont change my mind on this because i know for a fact they have to do it. If u want to argue this point go ahead but you wont get anywhere.
I dont think Deadpool has to do it because this is a forum and you didnt email any good information such as B1 number, name, phone number, postal code and etc so dont expect any reaction from him.
Even if i dont really like Deadpool for 2 reasons, first he likes the sens :P and second hes a bell representant but he has been really helpful in this forum for many people.
Even if i think he could and should have fowarded the request(if you had given him information to confirm your identity you tool), he did not run away, he told you to write to the person that is suppose to handle that. |
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