Bellundo
@teksavvy.com | reply to drjp81
Re: CAIP debunks Bell Canada throttling claim
Sure he must be right!!?? Duh! The guy's getting 1.5 meg service and the other people are getting 6 and 7 meg service for the exact same price and he has no qualms with bell? I'd say he's a lot cause and could never think rational. |
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Radar73
join:2008-01-20
Ajax, ON
| reply to DKS
said by DKS  :I beg your pardon? How is it a net neutrality issue? It is because CAIP has said it is so, and I don't agree with them. It is a successful public relations maneuver by CAIP that has gained huge public sympathy, but nothing more. Bell has a contractual right to manage their network. Folks just get all pissy because it interferes what they think is their God-given right. Guess what? It ain't. Net neutrality is the principle that data packets on the Internet should be moved impartially, without regard to content, destination or source. Any intelligent person can see how Bell is doing the exact opposite with regards to P2P traffic. Whatever CAIP says doesn't change the definition of net neutrality. You should look it up -> »www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/···2,00.asp |
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quote U
@videotron.ca
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said by DKS :It is a successful public relations maneuver by CAIP that has gained huge public sympathy, but nothing more. To use DKS's own words:
"And if you believe that, I have some lovely cottage property bug infested moose pasture I'd like to sell you." |
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keu words
@videotron.ca | reply to Radar73
Key words:
said by Radar73 : Any intelligent person |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
 ·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Radar73
I believe what DKS is saying is that although it violated the principle of Net Neutrality, that principle isn't in any type of regulation or law.
CAIP brought the case to the CRTC based on alleged violations of the GAS, since the CRTC regulates it.
If it wasn't a violation of the GAS (ie: it was stated in clear english that Bell is allowed to use DPI), CAIP wouldn't have a leg to stand on since, again, Net Neutrality is a principle, not actual law/regulation.
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beg 2 differ
@videotron.ca
| said by Deadpool :I believe what DKS is saying is that although it violated the principle of Net Neutrality, Don't think so. He used the word thieves.
He (and u) know very well what he meant. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| said by beg 2 differ :said by Deadpool :I believe what DKS is saying is that although it violated the principle of Net Neutrality, Don't think so. He used the word thieves. He (and u) know very well what he meant. Why is English a difficult language for some to understand?
I spoke specifically about the Net Neutrality statement. I didn't say anything about bandwidth usage, now did I? 
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Kyolux
join:2008-04-24
| reply to Deadpool
Yet Net Neutrality, is a principle a lot of us seems to believe in, and has its importance, especially within a world where a minority of corporations owns the majority of medias, diminishing enough already the alternate views on News/etc.
The day Net Neutrality is removed from the Internet, is the day we put one more step into Orwell's Oceania.
So however minor Bell's actions on Net Neutrality might appear to you DKS, it is not something you should lightly look over. While over information isn't much better then no information, it's much better then misinformation, which is what this opens the door to. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
| reply to quote U
said by quote U :said by DKS :It is a successful public relations maneuver by CAIP that has gained huge public sympathy, but nothing more. To use DKS's own words: "And if you believe that, I have some lovely cottage property bug infested moose pasture I'd like to sell you." ROTFL! Remember, as P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute". And there are a lot of suckers on this issue.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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| reply to pier walk_it
said by pier walk_it :
oh ok, Bell being the gate-keepers and deciding whats allowed and what isn't allowed is not a neutrality issue, riiiiiiight
Bell slowing down comeptition is not a neutrality issue, riiiiiiight
Bell deciding what you download via HOW you download is not a neutrality issue, riiiiiiight
Nope. Because they are doing none of the above. Just managing their network (which they are allowed to do, per their contract with their customers).
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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| reply to Deadpool
said by Deadpool :I believe what DKS is saying is that although it violated the principle of Net Neutrality, that principle isn't in any type of regulation or law. CAIP brought the case to the CRTC based on alleged violations of the GAS, since the CRTC regulates it. If it wasn't a violation of the GAS (ie: it was stated in clear english that Bell is allowed to use DPI), CAIP wouldn't have a leg to stand on since, again, Net Neutrality is a principle, not actual law/regulation. Thank you. That is indeed what I meant.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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| reply to Bellundo
said by Bellundo :
Sure he must be right!!?? Duh! The guy's getting 1.5 meg service and the other people are getting 6 and 7 meg service for the exact same price and he has no qualms with bell? I'd say he's a lot cause and could never think rational.
Um... no. I'm getting 5 meg/800 service. That is the best profile one can obtain in this area. I also have an Unlimited account (no cap) as I am grandfathered on the HSLD profile. When I was unable to obtain the higher profile several years ago, I successfully negotiated a discount with Bell so that I was not paying full price.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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| reply to beg 2 differ
said by beg 2 differ :said by Deadpool :I believe what DKS is saying is that although it violated the principle of Net Neutrality, Don't think so. He used the word thieves. He (and u) know very well what he meant. There is a thievery aspect to downloading copyright material, yes. And as someone who makes their living creating intellectual property, I have to defend my right to have my work protected and to obtain compensation for my work.
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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1 edit | reply to Kyolux
said by Kyolux :Yet Net Neutrality, is a principle a lot of us seems to believe in, and has its importance, especially within a world where a minority of corporations owns the majority of medias, diminishing enough already the alternate views on News/etc. The day Net Neutrality is removed from the Internet, is the day we put one more step into Orwell's Oceania. So however minor Bell's actions on Net Neutrality might appear to you DKS, it is not something you should lightly look over. While over information isn't much better then no information, it's much better then misinformation, which is what this opens the door to. Sorry, I was addressing media conglomeration before you were born. "Net neutrality" is nothing new. I was on the internet in 1992 and working in media awareness education long before that. Been there, done that and this issue ain't it.
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to oh LOOK
Jesus,its been 2 days and you all are still fightin like a bunch of old granny's.Give it a rest for christ sake.
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Sean
join:2004-01-23
Ottawa
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to oh LOOK
By the way, I'm pretty sure DKS is a shareholder of Bell. At least he used to be at some point.
Either way, he has himself stated that he is an older person who honestly doesn't know what the younger generation does. He thinks all bandwidth use is illegal. It's not really his fault, he's old. It happens, and it'll happen to the rest of you.
It takes some time to understand this, but older people will almost ALWAYS NEVER get the younger generation. Arguing with him does nothing, as we won't change his views. Best to ignore, and direct your pressure towards the old farts that DO make policy -> politicians.
We all know legitimate uses of internet can load up bandwidth in the hundreds of GB. Video streaming is the biggest one. Google (YouTube) now even has a pseudo "hi-def" video streaming service that is becoming popular.
DKS just doesn't get it. He never will, since he doesn't take part int he same internet activities we do. Himself he's stated that he lives in a secluded area of the world where he isn't overcroweded and experiences no issues whatsoever.
What do you think his opinion of "GenXers" is going to be? |
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what he said
@videotron.ca
| Valid point Sean.
Not to be insulting to the elderly, that includes me  (but not quite old as dirt yet). I am used to a 1-gig dl from the likes of netflics and so forth.
When I see people saying they DL'd a blue ray (7-8 gigs) I see it like DKS does. Hair stands up on my head. I was raised on 1.44 disks and 512/720? floopys. Floppy's the size of your head.
But this IS the way its going. 7-8gigs (a blue ray) will be the norm download in a year or two (it is now in the states, legally). I'm sure online vid stores including sympatico vid store will move towards this as well. Its the future.
My eyes aren't closed. It is what it is.
open your eyes just a bit DKS. Sean has a point. |
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En Enfer
This account has been compromised
join:2003-07-25
Montreal, QC
·VIF Internet
| reply to DKS
said by DKS :Like mail, users pay for a certain level of service. Some pay more and some pay less. I didn't understand your point until I read your POSITIVE review on Bell Pathetico.
In your review, you wrote "Excellent value for money." as you're paying 47$ per MONTH. 47 BUCKS!!! I suspect you're expecting a lane of highway reserved to you for that price and you already expressed your anger at crazy bad bad pirates who dare stepping on your precious lane, even if your computer is shut off, and you will do anything to protect the 47$ per month you're paying for. But you're wrong! The internet is a SHARED highway. Pay 30$, pay 47$, pay even 500$ for a T1, the result remains the same: The internet is SHARED.
In your review, you gave it 100% everywhere and only 80% for Tech Support? 80%? Hello? Lost your mind? Bell Pathetico was awarded the worse technical support in Canada! (or should I say, from India?)
I never saw someone so happy to pay 47 bucks for their internet with such crappy customer service who treats you like a cash cow.
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EcHoMaN
join:2003-05-04
Toronto, ON
| reply to DKS
said by DKS :That's my point. Capacity IS being expanded. Sorry, Rocky. You lose on that one. Capacity to be hooked up, receiving and using it to it's full potential(bandwidth/speed) is another story. |
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