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said by wenter99 :said by funchords :Lack of competition means that leaving Comcast HSI behind is quite a big step down for me. But I've had DSL for a few months now, and it's definitely got its own problems -- Enough problems for another lawsuit maybe? Heh, one ISP at a time.
Yeah, Verizon probably isn't celebrating me at this point, either. 
Lest anyone take this idea seriously, don't. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon Comcast: We never did anything wrong, and we'll never do it again...
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1 edit | reply to Rick said by Rick :There is and has been this VERY vocal...VERY minor portion of users who for the longest time now think they own the entire network. And that is the 5% of people who consume 50% of the bandwidth and who expect everyone else to pay for it for them. Those folks are pretty obvious, aren't they? But the real question to ask is whether or not they should have a reasonable expectation that this is what they'll get.
Up until a couple of weeks ago, Comcast was advertising and selling a 6 Mbps tier on their site, with PowerBoosts up to double-digits. Now there is no mention of that 6 Mbps/384 Kbps tier on the site. Why?
Because Comcast finally realized what Karl, myself, and many others have been saying all along -- that Comcast can't offer something disclosed and then start enforcing undisclosed caps and employing technology in order to deliver less bandwidth secretly. (By the way, they really took the low road by eliminating the basic rate -- now customers are going to expect that "PowerBoost" is the basic rate. Sheeeesh!).
The user got a 6 Mbps/384 Kbps expectation because Comcast gave it to them, and they made a deal based on that expectation.
said by Rick :We ALL know what those people are doing. They are trading copyrighted material all day and all night long over their RESIDENTIAL connections. Do know that your neighbors, right this very minute, might be smoking, cheating on their taxes, or taking 3 Tylenol instead of 2 recommended by the manufacturer?
I don't see the Mortgage company installing smoke detectors, the FDA doesn't audit Tylenol, and the IRS hasn't installed spy-cams in our homes.
If people are not abusing the network by unlocking their modems, sending forged packets, sending spam, keeping you from enjoying your service, or trying to break into the accounts or others -- then why do you care? Licensing of copyrighted material is a matter between the user and the licensee. The ISP has nothing to do with it.
And I'm not sure it's even true these days. Most TV and Movie shows are available in good quality and full length cheaply from licensed sources. Finally, the studios seem to be listening to what their fans want.
The result, HTTP and streaming video are now the largest bandwidth users. What's really changed? Should the ISPs start blocking these in the name of "network management"?
said by Rick :Servers are not allowed. Señor Management disagrees with you.
said by Rick :But that just don't matter to them anymore than stealing other peoples work matters to them. Somewhere in the back of their minds it's all ok because they're anonymous. And, it's just "there" for the taking. Well..so too is goods in a store front window after a massive riot smashes storefronts. It never was theirs to take. They are thieves. I'll try to remember that you're not talking about everyone here -- lest you are calling me a thief. Unless, of course, you are calling me a thief.
said by Rick :"1. Turning Sandvine off right now and replacing it with nothing would be an improvement. It does little good and does a lot of harm to innocent users. I have been asking for this all along." Comcast is saying in their filing you have no network experience. And that statement proves it. Because what would happen..just by the very nature of this shared network we're all using..is if that happened.. immediately..we'd all be posting on our dial up connections to the Comcast forum screaming that we simply had no connection at all. Now whose guessing? Only Comcast and Cox use RST packets from Sandvine.
And I have plenty of network experience, Rick.
said by Rick :The p2p crowds unrelenting 24/7 saturation of the upstream would take down comcasts entire nationwide network IMHO. And..it would take down the entire networks of every cable operator out there. Only Comcast and Cox use RST packets from Sandvine.
said by Rick :Your statement is misinformed..and wishful thinking. And not reality. What you would like comcast to do is similar to you asking Citibank to take down their alarms..unlock their doors 24/7..and leave no one in the bank..and trust that no one will rob them. No, because I'm not saying that Comcast should unlock everyone's modem and turned the shared pools into a free-for-all. However, ironically, they're doing something very similar all by themselves. They just increased the modem uploads from 384 Kbps to 1 Mbps on 100% of the network while they only upgraded the shared bandwidth on 8.7% of the network.
said by Rick :I fully understand that Sandvine has some unwelcome carryover effects. On people who don't fall into that 5%. But no one can reasonably argue that the VAST majority of those it seeks to prevent from harming this network is the ones i've described above. You know it..and I know it. And everyone who's been around BBR more than a month knows it. By that logic, Comcast can replace Sandvine with a device that causes the modem to emit Sarin gas instead of sending RST packets. After all, unintended side-effects aren't all that important. (yes, I know you don't support that -- I'm using absurdity to point out absurdity)
said by Rick :As you know..what my biggest complaint has been about your posts is that you fail to recognize and acknowledge that. And even in your statement above..you fail to recognize that. You say that it's comcasts problem and not yours to worry about..but that would be like you saying to your state they need to eliminate all their speed limits and laws and just let everyone else deal with it. You offer up no solutions at all. And in doing so...are simply representing that 5% of people who the 95% are tired of carrying on the backs of their hard earned paychecks. Rick, here is my original post: »Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections
In that post, I do make suggestions, "- These are being installed silently -- why? Why not install them noisily, and provoke action on the makers of P2P applications to seek out peers with lower TTLs (translation: electrically closer, more likely to be 'in-network')."
And even though I'm soooooooo disqualified, I observe that one of the major IETF efforts to come out of the P2PI Working Group has established its goal to do exactly the above suggestion. I must have just gotten lucky, since I'm just a little old software tester.
said by Rick :I've said before and I'll say again..I think that what Comcast was and is doing is watching out for not only themselves..but the vast majority of we users. They have to serve all of their users, or they should not do business with anyone that they don't intend to give full service to. They can't pretend to offer them service and then secretly use technology to take it back.
said by Rick :I have a great experience with my connection..get great speeds..and have no problems at all with connecting to anything. I think your criticism of them is unfounded. My criticism of them is mine, not yours. I think you ought to broaden your view, because how you can consider mine "unfounded" after all that has transpired confounds me. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon Comcast: We never did anything wrong, and we'll never do it again...
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| reply to wenter99 said by wenter99 :said by funchords :Lack of competition means that leaving Comcast HSI behind is quite a big step down for me. But I've had DSL for a few months now, and it's definitely got its own problems -- Enough problems for another lawsuit maybe? Let's not turn this into a sniping contest on Robb. He went out of his way to resolve the problem before going to this extreme and hinting that he would be an lawsuit happy individual is far from reality. |
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| reply to funchords said by funchords :Lack of competition means that leaving Comcast HSI behind is quite a big step down for me. But I've had DSL for a few months now, and it's definitely got its own problems -- Enough problems for another lawsuit maybe? |
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  ptrowski Got Helix? Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT clubs: | reply to Rick Just because someone may be employed in one field that doesn't mean they care not a professional in another. Some of my QA clients work in the network space such as WAN acceleration products, etc.
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1 edit | reply to funchords said by funchords :Hi Rick, First off, the peaceful way civilized people handle unresolvable disputes is through the courts, perhaps you would have preferred something akin to » 75-Year-Old Woman Takes Hammer to Comcast Office instead? C'mon. Secondly, I haven't moved my resume. It's still where it has always been and the link works: » www.funchords.com/Robert_Topolsk···ting.pdf and it is not hosted on my home network. As to my response to Comcast's attack, see HERE and check out the final pages. Third, I don't want this audience's support. I want them to know why I am not using Comcast anymore. I have been using Comcast all of this time, and now I'm not. I thought that the reason I switched was interesting and that it would be an interesting post. I know where I'm posting and I know that I won't have everyone's support. On the contrary, this is where I'm likely to meet the best critics -- and that's meant as a compliment. Fourth, I doubt I need to advertise the suit. As Class Action suits go, everyone impacted is easily identified through company records and will be notified at the right time as to how to participate or how to remove themselves from participation. First it has to be certified as a class, so let's not get the cart before the horse. Finally, good will means that you ought to assume positive intent. Cripes! --Robb Robb, I really think it would be more appropriate to put your resume as a bittorrent download file j/k |
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1 edit | reply to Rick Hi Rick,
First off, the peaceful way civilized people handle unresolvable disputes is through the courts, perhaps you would have preferred something akin to »75-Year-Old Woman Takes Hammer to Comcast Office instead? C'mon.
Secondly, I haven't moved my resume. It's still where it has always been and the link works: »www.funchords.com/Robert_Topolsk···ting.pdf and it is not hosted on my home network. As to my response to Comcast's attack, see HERE and check out the final pages.
Third, I don't want this audience's support. I want them to know why I am not using Comcast anymore. I have been using Comcast all of this time, and now I'm not. I thought that the reason I switched was interesting and that it would be an interesting post. I know where I'm posting and I know that I won't have everyone's support. On the contrary, this is where I'm likely to meet the best critics -- and that's meant as a compliment.
Fourth, I doubt I need to advertise the suit. As Class Action suits go, everyone impacted is easily identified through company records and will be notified at the right time as to how to participate or how to remove themselves from participation. First it has to be certified as a class, so let's not get the cart before the horse.
Finally, good will means that you ought to assume positive intent. Cripes!
--Robb -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon Comcast: We never did anything wrong, and we'll never do it again...
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| reply to Nerdtalker said by Nerdtalker :Many of us also agree that using RST packets to "manage" network congestion harms their network. This would be a problem if it was their blanket solution to network congestion. The RST packet injection is limited to specific applications that survive having individual sessions reset. |
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| reply to Rick Re:// And, I put emphasis on these words " "Topolski is identified in court documents as a networking professional"
Comcast...on the other hand..is saying they discovered his resume that says his experience is in software...
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There are many software engineers that specialize in networking. TCP/IP is a software protocol, among many others.
I did not read Robb resume, but this is just a reply to your question. |
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| reply to jester121 said by jester121 :Comcast says P2P harms their network, and some of us agree. Many of us also agree that using RST packets to "manage" network congestion harms their network. -- "Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn
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| reply to jester121 said by jester121 :said by funchords :Meanwhile, everyone else knows that Comcast clearly and authoritatively states permits P2P, and the FCC requires them to: "consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice" You've clearly been playing this PR game long enough to know how to excerpt quotes and leave out parts that don't support your view. From YOUR source: quote: To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network.13
Comcast says P2P harms their network, and some of us agree. P2P doesnt harm the network - What does harm the network, is having many over-subscribed nodes, with users trying to access content that requires bandwidth. |
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join:2000-10-27 Astoria, NY | reply to funchords Good luck Robb, you're going to need it. |
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| reply to funchords said by funchords :Meanwhile, everyone else knows that Comcast clearly and authoritatively states permits P2P, and the FCC requires them to: "consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice" You've clearly been playing this PR game long enough to know how to excerpt quotes and leave out parts that don't support your view.
From YOUR source:
quote: To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network.13
Comcast says P2P harms their network, and some of us agree. |
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join:2008-02-07 Houston, TX 1 edit | reply to Rick I do not believe there will be a problem for the suit to attain class status by the statements of Comcast's own based on the percentage of heavy users they disconnect. |
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1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail :Comcast decided to personally attack me several days ago, in a public filing in the FCC case. Maybe that was because you were suing them: » www.multichannel.com/article/CA6581628.htmlThe lead plaintiff in the suit, Oregon resident Robb Topolski... The suit was filed July 18 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Oregon. The court has not certified a class.
Funny that you never mentioned that in all your posts in this thread. That is interesting. And, it gets even more interesting and perhaps Robb can explain this.
In that story it says this..
"Topolski is identified in court documents as a networking professional currently serving as chief technology consultant for Free Press and Public Knowledge, two public interest groups that have targeted Comcast over the peer-to-peer issue."
And, I put emphasis on these words " "Topolski is identified in court documents as a networking professional"
Comcast...on the other hand..is saying they discovered his resume that says his experience is in software...and cited his own resume as proof. Interestingly enough..when I just clicked on the link to the resume..nothing now comes up..and it just times out. I guess the home network isn't working too good? 
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Rob..can you explain these obvious discrepancies?
It would be only fair to the audience you're trying to illicit support from here in this forum.
And furthermore..with this suit now revealed..my question is was your purpose here just to try to gather support for that and for the class action status you're trying to get it to be?
These are reasonable questions Rob.
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join:2008-02-07 Houston, TX 1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail Probably he could not disclose this until made public by the court. Nevertheless, the important thing is his testimony to the FCC, I am sure that will have more bearing than the potential class lawsuit. |
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3 edits | reply to funchords Comcast decided to personally attack me several days ago, in a public filing in the FCC case. Maybe that was because you were suing them: »www.multichannel.com/article/CA6581628.html
The lead plaintiff in the suit, Oregon resident Robb Topolski... The suit was filed July 18 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Oregon. The court has not certified a class.
Funny that you never mentioned that in all your posts in this thread. |
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| reply to Rick Also, I do not believe that the heavy users "own" the network. They expect a level of service that obviously the provider cannot meet and a solution should be negotiated. In most cases the suggestion of "get a business class account" shows only the ignorance of who suggests that, because Comcast would not offer one, as I have found out. The provider treating the heavy users like dirt does not help either. And before I get attacked regarding the dirt statement, let the ones that have had the pleasure of talking to the "abuse" department share their experience or let's focus on the 12 months disconnection "policy", in itself a proof of abuse by the provider. What stance does the 12 month disconnection "policy" show toward the users, heavy or not ? Is this the stance of the provider we see in all the advertisements ? As I said before, a 1 week or even 1 month disconnection for the at least first time "offenders" could be understandable, but a 12 month is quite too much. |
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| reply to Rick I believe that position that what is good for the vast majority of users should take precedence over technological advancement to be an short sighted view. There should be a balance.
What we see here is a network provider that has oversold its capabilities, advertised "unfettered" access to the Internet, download, view whatever you want using your fast connection available 24/7 and then the applications that could use this "unfettered" access CAME.
Instead of working with the users to reach a solution and pricing scheme agreable for all, the provider chooses to criminalize the users for using what was sold to them. No matter what, if a connection is sold to me as being available 24/7, but then it is not, then it is not what was sold.
The 95% do not bear the weight of the 5% heavy users not more than the vast multitude of car drivers bear the cost unjustly for the usage of the roads for 18 wheelers. This point of view just tries to turn people against each other instead of focusing on the deceptive network access sold. As I have stated before, I have no issue with paying for a clear quota, usage and throttling as long as it is clearly defined when sold and VERIFIABLE.
But I believe Comcast cannot offer really not even a 250 GB quota to its users. That is why they are "toying" with this idea. Because they do not know what to do. They did not foresee the demand and the same people that did not foresee it are still in command and still are not knowlegeable of the technology that the Internet promotes to regular people. They are afraid that if the quota is published then most people will come "close" to it. Here is the crux. So, they decide on a quota that they ALREADY KNOW will be a problem for them if the people actually use. How is this different from the current situation when they sold something that is a problem even if 5% of users use ?
All they want to provide is email and web access and maybe a video trailer here and there, but cannot state it. That is why "servers are not allowed", P2P is not allowed and whatever else is of interest to technologically inclined people is not allowed or will not be once it becomes popular. To me Internet access through Comcast seems more like an afterthought than a serious business to be used.
So what is then allowed ? |
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