openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to clickie
Re: obvious
Yes, the contract is implied each month that you pay your bill. Unless you sign a longer length contract, you have an agreement with your ISP for the billing period.
You can object to third-party access to data all you want, but it's unfortunately a fact of life today. Almost every industry that I can think of has no problem sharing your information to third parties unless you opt out of the sharing of your information. And yes, their ability to do so is printed in their privacy statements that a vast majority of people don't read.
You can say enough is enough. Have you contacted your ISP to express your viewpoint as a paying customer? Have you contacted your elected representation to express your desires? |
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| reply to openbox9
Actually, it's not. If I am paying you to pick up my garbage and you're using my property as a drug drop while you're picking up the trash, paying my bill is not implicit acceptance of your activities.
While you may be right that large numbers of their customers many not bother to opt out, it doesn't make it legal, it doesn't make it ethical and it doesn't make it right. My objection with anonymous data collection that it's with a third-party to whom I do not have an ongoing business relationship. Nebuad is free to take this data and eventually make it NOT so anonymous, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it once they have a foot in the door.
Switching ISPs isn't an option, for me or for many many others. That's what makes this such an offensive issue; we're stuck and we have to take it if we want broadband.
Once I make a purchase on the web with one of their advertisers, the cat is out of the bag. Nebuad is going to have a very hard time keeping that anonymous data private once the dollar bills start flying.
Quite honestly, when does one say enough is enough? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt  :Agree with with other there needs to be some sort of implied contract, as with phone service, as to what company can and cannot do with your information. The contract is implied each month when customers pay their bills. I say let the ISPs put the privacy statement verbiage in an e-mail to their customers for notification purposes. I still doubt that you'll see large numbers of customers opting out or even caring about the minute impact of anonymous logs. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
 ·Hollis Hosting
·Verizon Online DSL
·Fairpoint Communic..
| reply to SSX4life
said by SSX4life :Isn't this obvious? People don't read the fine print or take the time to understand contracts prior to signing things. That is true to an extent but the mouseprint on most service/software contracts is impossible to understand and wade through for the average person.
Also this is something new so even if you read it you may quite possibly miss the ramification of what they were doing.
Most ISPs I aware of reserve the right to change terms and conditions at any time. Pretty hard to be an informed consumer.
Agree with with other there needs to be some sort of implied contract, as with phone service, as to what company can and cannot do with your information.
Should not be up the the consumer to wade through pages of legalese each time they do something on the Internet.
/tom |
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