Re: obvious in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20841792 en Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:25:09 EDT Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:25:09 EDT As obvious as any other company trading your data http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20848219 AdNauseum : @SSX4life: You cite examples of electrical and water companies. What about your credit card, mortgage companies, affinity cards like grocery 'points', magazine subscriptions? Do you think they don't trade your data unless you opt-out? At least online companies provide online opt-out, once you figure where it is. I am sick of getting privacy policies via snail mail, requiring me to fill out and return a damn paper form.

Isn't it a bit naive to demand opt-in? NOBODY would opt-in! Their business depends on people not caring and by default being opted-in. And that is majority of people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20848219 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:37:23 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20846284 openbox9 : Yes, the contract is implied each month that you pay your bill. Unless you sign a longer length contract, you have an agreement with your ISP for the billing period.

You can object to third-party access to data all you want, but it's unfortunately a fact of life today. Almost every industry that I can think of has no problem sharing your information to third parties unless you opt out of the sharing of your information. And yes, their ability to do so is printed in their privacy statements that a vast majority of people don't read.

You can say enough is enough. Have you contacted your ISP to express your viewpoint as a paying customer? Have you contacted your elected representation to express your desires?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20846284 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:03:10 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845148 clickie : Actually, it's not. If I am paying you to pick up my garbage and you're using my property as a drug drop while you're picking up the trash, paying my bill is not implicit acceptance of your activities.

While you may be right that large numbers of their customers many not bother to opt out, it doesn't make it legal, it doesn't make it ethical and it doesn't make it right. My objection with anonymous data collection that it's with a third-party to whom I do not have an ongoing business relationship. Nebuad is free to take this data and eventually make it NOT so anonymous, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it once they have a foot in the door.

Switching ISPs isn't an option, for me or for many many others. That's what makes this such an offensive issue; we're stuck and we have to take it if we want broadband.

Once I make a purchase on the web with one of their advertisers, the cat is out of the bag. Nebuad is going to have a very hard time keeping that anonymous data private once the dollar bills start flying.

Quite honestly, when does one say enough is enough?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845148 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:00:18 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20842205 wtansill :
said by SSX4life See Profile :

*edit* and the whole bullsh!t about "making the users browsing experience better" is a total bunch of crock. The CEO's will tell you anything to get their way and not even agree with their own tactics or policies in their private life.
/rant
It's possible that the 15 that opted out were Company Executives who didn't want their browsing habits mined...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20842205 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:03:59 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841868 SilverSurfer :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Do you think these same rules should apply to Google or Yahoo? They collect user info and their system is opt-out and is spelled out in their privacy policy too.
Except that Google/Yahoo's cookies aren't quite as intrusive/persistent as Nebuad. Once Google/Yahoo cookies are deleted, they stay deleted until you visit the site again. Nebuad is an entirely different matter. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841868 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:10:40 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841849 openbox9 :
said by tschmidt See Profile :

Agree with with other there needs to be some sort of implied contract, as with phone service, as to what company can and cannot do with your information.
The contract is implied each month when customers pay their bills. I say let the ISPs put the privacy statement verbiage in an e-mail to their customers for notification purposes. I still doubt that you'll see large numbers of customers opting out or even caring about the minute impact of anonymous logs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841849 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:08:13 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841792 hopeflicker :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Do you think these same rules should apply to Google or Yahoo? They collect user info and their system is opt-out and is spelled out in their privacy policy too.
All businesses should keep the opt-out option out of their privacy policy. However, the user should be given the option to opt out before they can use any service. This should be spelled out on a single document before any services can be rendered.
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said by SSX4life See Profile :

Isn't this obvious? People don't read the fine print or take the time to understand contracts prior to signing things.
That is true to an extent but the mouseprint on most service/software contracts is impossible to understand and wade through for the average person.

Also this is something new so even if you read it you may quite possibly miss the ramification of what they were doing.

Most ISPs I aware of reserve the right to change terms and conditions at any time. Pretty hard to be an informed consumer.

Agree with with other there needs to be some sort of implied contract, as with phone service, as to what company can and cannot do with your information.

Should not be up the the consumer to wade through pages of legalese each time they do something on the Internet.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841765 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:53:35 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841691 TKJunkMail : Do you think these same rules should apply to Google or Yahoo? They collect user info and their system is opt-out and is spelled out in their privacy policy too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841691 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:42:08 EDT Re: obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841654 hopeflicker : if only 15 opt'd out then that MUST mean people WANT the service :uhh:

yes, it's sarcasm ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841654 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:34:51 EDT obvious http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841607 SSX4life : Isn't this obvious? People don't read the fine print or take the time to understand contracts prior to signing things. The housing crisis would tell you that.

We should have the same HIPPA laws that apply to medical records apply to browsing data. It's private and should remain such.

You don't see your electrical company selling your Kilowatt usage down the street, you don't see the water company selling your overall consumption to lawn and fertilizer company's.

Why should this be any different?

*edit* and the whole bullsh!t about "making the users browsing experience better" is a total bunch of crock. The CEO's will tell you anything to get their way and not even agree with their own tactics or policies in their private life.
/rant
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