Matt
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Re: Pair Bonding WHEN?
said by Neyland  :I'm not so sure. Everyone is pushing HD right now and expect to see even more upswing over the next two years. We have three people in the house that all like to watch different things plus record different things we like as well. I just don't see how 50MB is going to offer them enough to compete on product over the next 5 years. I have a feeling they'll keep doing what they're doing now. Being the Wal-Mart of the TV/Internet market. If they pair bond to 50Mbps using current technology, they can get 8 streams, 4 HD and 4 SD, or I'm sure some mix there about. Probably 6 HD streams. So that's 2 HD streams per TV in your house.
While I don't think the AT&T solution is by any stretch of the imagination high tech, I think they are just aiming for the widest target possible and to be honest, very few households have more than a TV or two. |
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maartena
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1 edit | said by Matt :While I don't think the AT&T solution is by any stretch of the imagination high tech, I think they are just aiming for the widest target possible and to be honest, very few households have more than a TV or two. I know two friends of mine who have 1 HDTV..... but TWO dual tuner HD-DVR's. It is not uncommon that they record two HD shows from the major networks, on one HD-DVR, and watch football on the other HD-DVR on ESPN-HD. That's three streams right there.
You don't have to have more TV's, just more DVR's. Another friend of mine has a "his" and "hers" HD-DVR from Time Warner - no kidding! We have 35 or so HD channels now in SoCal, (most areas, not all yet), and according to their customer service staff, we should be seeing 70 HD channels by the end of 1st quarter 2009.
My wife is already recording the heck out of Food Network HD and HGTV HD, often at the same time..... and since I hooked up my "analog" cable as well, sometimes I just watch the HD channels in QAM on the TV itself, which is 3 HD streams with just one DVR and one QAM tuner.
This year will see more HD channel launches (we are waiting till BBC America HD gets launched later this year), and within the next 5 years we WILL have 150 or so HD channels. (we are closing in on 100 already).
Two streams just won't cut it. Four will do just fine I think with pair bonding, but they would have to bond by default for every new install. |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
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I think you might be surprised. Especially family households. Yea I can see two person homes only having two TVs, but not families with children... especially children over the age of 8.
Uncompressed HD runs roughly 1.5Gbps (Based on a Wiki article). ATT believes their HD channels take 8-10Mbps, just how much compression to they plan on using?
Old '06 IPTV article, but talks to 3.1 TVs per house and 8-16Mbps for HD at MPEG-2. (»www.iptvarticles.com/IPTVMagazin···HDTV.htm). |
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Matt
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1 edit | said by Neyland :I think you might be surprised. Especially family households. Yea I can see two person homes only having two TVs, but not families with children... especially children over the age of 8. Uncompressed HD runs roughly 1.5Gbps (Based on a Wiki article). ATT believes their HD channels take 8-10Mbps, just how much compression to they plan on using? Old '06 IPTV article, but talks to 3.1 TVs per house and 8-16Mbps for HD at MPEG-2. (» www.iptvarticles.com/IPTVMagazin···HDTV.htm). Yes, but that's not 3.1 HD televisions.
MPEG-2 is ooooooold. AT&T is using an MPEG-4 standard to compress their HD to 8.5Mbps. That has to be a worst case scenario at 8.5Mbps, because they can get 2 HD and 2 SD into 15Mbps right now.
So, w/ 10Mbps of internet allocated out of 50Mbps, that's about 5 simultaneous HD streams. In 5 years they'll have improved upon that I bet with better technology.
Is U-Verse the answer for everyone? Nope. But neither is DirecTV nor Cable. The main thing, is you now have 3 choices. |
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David
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said by Matt :While I don't think the AT&T solution is by any stretch of the imagination high tech, I think they are just aiming for the widest target possible and to be honest, very few households have more than a TV or two. I will concurr with you because I only have 2 tv's attached to the DTV recievers currently. I have 4 tv's total but the other two have game consoles attached to them or the one in the back bedroom plays DVD movies and doubles as an internet machine. I watch Geek.tv on that one now and then.
I don't have any flatscreen TV's or even an HDTV.
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
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Yea that's why I said it was an old article...
We have three people in our family. I watch my set of shows, my wife watches hers and our daughter has her own needs. In one of the articles I've recently read, HD sets have almost doubled in the last year. The more you move into 09, the more sets you'll see as the average consumer believes the 09 cutoff to digital means a cut over to HD. And salesmen sure like to feed that myth.
We currently have Dish with two dual HD tuners and an off air tuner. It simply isn't all that uncommon with the offerings today that we're not each watching something different with two of us recording 2 other shows on different networks. That's easily 5 programs right there, today. As more and more content comes on...
The DVR really has spoiled us to how we watch TV. The more people adopt the technology, the more demand you'll see for content.
I guess to me when you really stack the hardships DSL brings to upload speeds,distance, line quality, bandwidth,and overhead vs the adoption rate in the next 3-5 years I feel ATT has really set them up for a fall. I mean look at how long it's taken them just to deploy UVerse on their existing plant. Where's ATT going to be sitting when cable goes 3.0 and Verizon areas are almost all fiber? Exactly where they are now, behind..
I want ATT to do more. I'm in a ATT area and want a real competitor to cable, but to me a real compitor has the ability to offer the about the same level of service... |
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I've read that AT&T is using 5.5mbps compression for HDTV streams. That's how they fit 2HD2SD+10 internet.
What they ought to consider is a "powerboost" feature - allow mixed use of the the bandwidth. "Boost" to 20mbps that might slow to 10 when I max my TV capacity.
They also can be competitive on the upload. I thought VDSL2 offered symmetrical speeds? And 1.5 is the best they can do with max?
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