Archivis
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| [WotLK] Frost/Arcane Mage Build Thoughts
»www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla···50200000
There's the link to the build I invented. I believe this could provide for a potentially seriously high output frostbolt crit spec build. But I've not run this by anyone and wanted to see thoughts.
There are some filler talents and some unimportant talents. This is STRICTLY a PVE frost/arcane build. This leaves almost no survivability for PVP and a lot of the fun goodies that you could get by going full frost or full arcane.
Here's the important things out of the frost tree:
100% bonus damage of frost crits
Icy Veins (3 minute haste)
Winter's Chill (2% frost crit)
And the kicker: Winter's Grasp (10% chance on hit to consider the target frozen for 5 seconds) and Shatter (50% crit chance against frozen targets).
Here's the important things out of the Arcane Tree:
(Unfortunately, a lot of fluffer)
Arcane Concentration (10% clearcasting)
Presence of Mind
Arcane Potency (30% crit chance boost while clearcasting)
And the kicker for arcane: Spell Power (50% increased spell damage on crits).
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The general idea is to put your crit chance through the roof while spamming frostbolt. You give up important things like Cold Snap and Arcane Power to reach the big talents, but you should have a high frost crit %.
150% bonus damage to frost crits should have some amazing damage dealt and with clearcasting and Winter's Grasp procing enough, you should see your crit % go through the roof.
What's your thoughts on this?
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Falcon
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Hazmat
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No Artic Reach? More distance is better... |
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Archivis
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Earth | I wasn't sure what to sacrifice for the reach. |
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Tehuno
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Archivis
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Earth | Yeah, it hasn't been that terribly important for me. Most people don't even take advantage of the 40 yard range that many people have.
I am curious to see how this build works out. |
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Mashiki
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If it's for pure grinding and not raiding should be fine. Range won't matter either, if it's for raiding you'll want range in both arcane and frost. |
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Redawg81
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I have a 67 Fire mage so Im not so sure about mage specs in either arc or frost, I do have an idea about a pimp ass Lock build. »www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla···00000000
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PS. PVP build heavy dot dmg w/ sb's and sl
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Archivis
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said by Mashiki  :If it's for pure grinding and not raiding should be fine. Range won't matter either, if it's for raiding you'll want range in both arcane and frost. You don't need that kind of range for raiding. Shadowpriests sit at 24 yards and do fine. |
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Mashiki
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| said by Archivis :You don't need that kind of range for raiding. Shadowpriests sit at 24 yards and do fine. If you can get range as an ability and not take it you're silly, the only reason why mages don't take points in arc. reach now is because there's nothing in arcane to equal the distance so it's wasted. |
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Archivis
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Earth | Alright, so please answer my original question then. What would you give up to pick up the extended range then? |
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Mashiki
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July 26th, @04:23AM
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Probably something like that. Two points less in winters chill, no points in CS, nothing in instability. Of course I could be wrong who knows. If you're spamming frost bolts, or frostfire bolts you're still getting the stacks fast enough, plus you're still getting the bonus chances of crits anyway.
Sorry as well, I shoulda tossed up something when I replied the first time, that's my fault. |
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Archivis
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Earth | That build might be a little better. I forgot that like Shadow Weaving, you don't need 5/5 to maintain full stacks once its up. |
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Tehuno
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Bartlesville, OK | elemental shaman skip the extended range talent for raiding, its not essential if you have good situational awareness. same with any class really, range talents are a crutch and the talents can usually be spent on more dps output. |
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Kearnstd
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range is good when solo too, i should note that i also keep frostbite 3/3. since im not always raiding i like something that works well for quests and general day to day stuff.
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klambert
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said by Mashiki :said by Archivis :You don't need that kind of range for raiding. Shadowpriests sit at 24 yards and do fine. If you can get range as an ability and not take it you're silly, the only reason why mages don't take points in arc. reach now is because there's nothing in arcane to equal the distance so it's wasted. I beg to differ. My main is a raiding shadow priest and there are any number of fights where my dps is nerfed because of range issues (no Mind flay). Note that it is currently anticipated that MF will get some range love in WotLK and my SP will grab that immediatly.
Heck, one of the things I miss about having my raiding mage in frost right now (and you would be surprised how much dps I can do as frost) is the range issue (fireball goes 35-41 yards, frostbolt only 30-35). Those few extra yards were sooo nice . . . especially when you have to "spread out". |
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Mashiki
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| said by klambert :I beg to differ. My main is a raiding shadow priest and there are any number of fights where my dps is nerfed because of range issues (no Mind flay). ... You're welcome to disagree, unfortunately the class spells say otherwise as to what you get a choice in. My main is a mage, and I've been raiding for far too long.
Anyway, 30yrds on ab, your primary rotation is 3x3 with 40/0/21; you're not going to be nuking with frostbolt as a primary spell. The real reason why FB is even part of the rotation is to offset the higher mana cost due to ab. Otherwise ab would be the main nuke, forget everything else.
The points are spent in a better place since you're always standing at 30yrds for your primary nuke. |
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wowisdead
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how do you "plan on casting lots of crit frostbolts" and not have empowered frostbolt?
sorry, there's no way yer maximizing dps if the one spell you cast 75% of the time isn't even maxed through talents.
at least I assumed this was for PVE. |
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Archivis
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Earth | There's just not enough points left to get those. Unless Winter's Chill is worth sacrificing for 2 of those points, but I thought that the "considered frozen" part would increase crit chance as well, even if periodically. |
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July 29th, @12:00PM
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said by klambert : Note that it is currently anticipated that MF will get some range love in WotLK and my SP will grab that immediatly. F-that. I'm all for increasing range on that spell as soon as they remove the snare. |
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